291 replies to this topic

[Max Immelmann]

rearm and repair. i still do not fully understand why this will not be reinstated.

from what i understand, it was due to the free rearm of 75% ammo without having to buy more?

what is so hard about, pay to fix what is destroyed/damaged. pay to rearm all ammo up to 100%. you get NO CHOICE in the matter. it is a cost you have accept.

i say, if your fusion engine erupts, it is "bye, bye mech, go buy another." if you jetcan yourself out before that happens, you get a repair bill based on the damage at the time of jettison, that bill is even higher if you lose the match. gonna be tough getting your mech back from enemy controlled territory.

i can go on and on about how R&R can work in this game, but i am more interested in EXACTLY why it is not coming back.

[Alistair Winter]

Because most people didn't like it, pretty much. PGI listened to the fans.

I'm with you though. I prefer R&R.

There's more info if you do a forum search.

[Thirdstar]

Immelmann, on 17 February 2013 - 01:54 AM, said:

i say, if your fusion engine erupts, it is "bye, bye mech, go buy another." if you jetcan yourself out before that happens, you get a repair bill based on the damage at the time of jettison, that bill is even higher if you lose the match. gonna be tough getting your mech back from enemy controlled territory.

Believe me when I say I'm glad you're not a Dev. Really really glad. Phew.

[WolvesX]

R&R is bad.

You should think about its impact before you post!

[Thorn Hallis]

It served no purpose. So no.

[Volume]

Thirdstar, on 17 February 2013 - 02:05 AM, said:

Believe me when I say I'm glad you're not a Dev. Really really glad. Phew.

What, never played EVE Online?

[Alymbic]

Alistair Winter, on 17 February 2013 - 01:58 AM, said:

Because most people didn't like it, pretty much. PGI listened to the fans.

I'm with you though. I prefer R&R.

There's more info if you do a forum search.

This. I always repaired and rearmed fully, even when I ran a serious loss (artemis and xl combo's normally), but a lot of players just used the 75% and proved to be a liability to whichever team they dropped in. I'd like it brought back, but only in a way which makes players pay the full bill.

[RoninV3]

Thats a shame, the R&R aspect of a Battletech/Mechwarrior table top game was dealing with those aspects and made the game unique and enjoyable. The way they have it now its just like WoW, who cares if you die Respawn and play new game. Whereas in a R&R enviroment players would not be just running out blazing for glory, they would use "shockingly" real world parameters to guide their actions. This would eliminate the AFK farmers that I have seen popping up as well. More importantly as the back of the old Mercenaries handbok used to say "Variety is the spice of battle"

[Captain Midnight]

R&R already is 100%, and it's already mandatory. They garnish the R&R costs right out of your wages, so instead of getting a bunch of money and having to pay a bunch of money back, you only get some money but you get to keep it all.

[Thirdstar]

Volume, on 17 February 2013 - 02:09 AM, said:

What, never played EVE Online?

Nope, too damn casual for spreadsheet online.

RoninV3, on 17 February 2013 - 02:10 AM, said:

This would eliminate the AFK farmers that I have seen popping up as well. More importantly as the back of the old Mercenaries handbok used to say "Variety is the spice of battle"

You haven't a clue why they took out R&R, do you?

Edited by Thirdstar, 17 February 2013 - 02:12 AM.

[Max Immelmann]

Thirdstar, on 17 February 2013 - 02:05 AM, said:

Believe me when I say I'm glad you're not a Dev. Really really glad. Phew.

hmmph :-)

WolvesX, on 17 February 2013 - 02:06 AM, said:

You should think about its impact before you post!

i believe it is YOU that needs to do the rethinking.

Volume, on 17 February 2013 - 02:09 AM, said:

What, never played EVE Online?

now this guy KNOWS where i am coming from! +1



gave up eve for mwo

Edited by Immelmann, 17 February 2013 - 02:16 AM.

[Thirdstar]

Immelmann, on 17 February 2013 - 02:12 AM, said:

gave up eve for mwo

Yeah, no. This never happened.

[Max Immelmann]

Captain Midnight, on 17 February 2013 - 02:10 AM, said:

R&R already is 100%, and it's already mandatory. They garnish the R&R costs right out of your wages, so instead of getting a bunch of money and having to pay a bunch of money back, you only get some money but you get to keep it all.

see what you are saying, but i think that what you describe gives us a very inaccurate measure of who used what or how much. if i only use say 100 rnds of lrm ammo, and the other guy uses 1000 rnds of lrm ammo, by what you say, we both pay an equal amount. not sure if that is exactly what happens, but it sounds plausable.

[Thorn Hallis]

RoninV3, on 17 February 2013 - 02:10 AM, said:

Thats a shame, the R&R aspect of a Battletech/Mechwarrior table top game was dealing with those aspects and made the game unique and enjoyable. The way they have it now its just like WoW, who cares if you die Respawn and play new game. Whereas in a R&R enviroment players would not be just running out blazing for glory, they would use "shockingly" real world parameters to guide their actions. This would eliminate the AFK farmers that I have seen popping up as well. More importantly as the back of the old Mercenaries handbok used to say "Variety is the spice of battle"

R&R mattered only in a campaign. As there is no campaign in MWO there is no need for R&R.

[Vassago Rain]

Captain Midnight, on 17 February 2013 - 02:10 AM, said:

R&R already is 100%, and it's already mandatory. They garnish the R&R costs right out of your wages, so instead of getting a bunch of money and having to pay a bunch of money back, you only get some money but you get to keep it all.

It's a bit more complicated than that, like the part where people made negative income, and some made 58295958257525k dollars per game.

[MechWarrior001347]

Look at the Balancing and think again.
As long as a looser in an high tech 3l or a group of loosers with ts and in close formation can shoot every thing else in that Game repair costs would ruine my Game Exeperience to the moment i buy a ****** raven 3l and get TS and a extra hard Gang to run with. And after doing all that i will drop the game coz i dont want to be in such a gang or pilot a ***** Wagon or be forced by comunity or Game Mechanics to pilot the strongest ride with homing cotton wool and **** free players ******** style like it is these days.

having high hopes in the devs to solve the real problems this game got.

[Kaspirikay]

Re: permanent death. Its the reason why i stopped playing eve and started here. Its more frustrating than fun. Especially whenyou DC and die because of that.

[Remorse]

Also eve-online has a pve driven economy where most of the profits come from pve and only a little bit from pvp salvage. This game has no npcs to be killed milion times over and over to salvage them over and over. Without alternate income source most people would be out of any mech pretty soon.

[Kabum]

R&R will only scare MOST of the people out of the game. It will help to keep some Harcore & sado players in but will do more damage than good.

[Ter Ushaka]

I could see R&R coming back as a function of community warfare, but at the present it doesn't serve a purpose.