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St. Ives Compact

Started by Hayden, May 28 2012 04:08 AM

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Poll: St. Ives Poll (210 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you support St. Ives Independence (playable). If not, where does St. Ives Belong?

  1. Yes, St. Ives should be playable. (123 votes [58.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.57%

  2. No, St. Ives should be treated like the periphery states and left out. (44 votes [20.95%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.95%

  3. No, St. Ives should go to the already-over-sized Davions. (15 votes [7.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  4. No, St. Ives is a commonality just like all the others and I hate freedom. (28 votes [13.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

Would you play for St. Ives?

  1. EMPHATIC YES! (24 votes [11.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.43%

  2. Yes. (41 votes [19.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.52%

  3. No. (145 votes [69.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 69.05%

What is your favorite St. Ives unit?

  1. THE WHOLE ST. IVES ARMORED CAVALRY! (13 votes [6.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.19%

  2. 1st St. Ives Lancers (20 votes [9.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

  3. 2nd. St. Ives Lancers (10 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

  4. St. Ives Cheveau Legers (2 votes [0.95%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.95%

  5. Aliesha’s Mounted Fusiliers (1 votes [0.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.48%

  6. Devon’s Armored Infantry (3 votes [1.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.43%

  7. 1st St. Ives Janissaries (1 votes [0.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.48%

  8. 2nd St. Ives Janissaries (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. The St. Ives Academy Training Group (I'm new here) (4 votes [1.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.90%

  10. Blackwind Lancers (20 votes [9.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

  11. I have no preference. (136 votes [64.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 64.76%

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#81 Thorn Hallis

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 12:42 AM

View PostFaustianQ, on 29 May 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

I like how the Capellans are so xenophobic they don't even entertain the possibility that St.Ives players could turn against FedCom. No, once the Compact leaves the Confederation, they are alien and foreign, and cannot be trusted.


You are wrong on that. What we expect is House Davion trying to conquer the Compact once the game starts (as no higher-up can decide not to attack). So in the end it makes no difference (game wise), if the Compact is in or not, or if it is put into CapCon or FedSun space - its worlds will be the first that are fought for once the game starts.

#82 Hayden

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 12:47 AM

View PostThorn Hallis, on 30 May 2012 - 12:42 AM, said:


You are wrong on that. What we expect is House Davion trying to conquer the Compact once the game starts (as no higher-up can decide not to attack). So in the end it makes no difference (game wise), if the Compact is in or not, or if it is put into CapCon or FedSun space - its worlds will be the first that are fought for once the game starts.


That suits me fine. A crucible in which to forge elite warriors.

#83 Thorn Hallis

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 12:48 AM

View PostHayden, on 30 May 2012 - 12:47 AM, said:


That suits me fine. A crucible in which to forge elite warriors.


Or an anvil that will break under the impact of two hammers.

#84 Hayden

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 12:49 AM

View PostThorn Hallis, on 30 May 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:


Or an anvil that will break under the impact of two hammers.


The same could be said for any of the successor states or Rasalhague. Especially of Rasalhague.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 12:59 AM

Correct, but it will take much more time to happen.

Edited by Thorn Hallis, 30 May 2012 - 12:59 AM.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 02:04 AM

I'd like to make an additional statement to my post in page one.

Hayden, I can understand your campaign to bring the SIC into MWO as a playable faction. I do like the compact from a roleplay perspective, I just can't see it as a difference maker in such a big way that it can stand up against both, the CC and the FedSuns. It has its very loyal support among players. But those are even less then the already small player base of the Confederation Capella.

The St. Ives Compact is still a capellan nation. There is no big difference in philosophy, be it military or civilian, only a dispute in leadership. If we add this to the possible need of a more balanced playerbase between the IS nations, I can see no reason, not to integrate the Compact into the Confederation.

Please continue your quest. It may make it harder for us capellans, if we have to split our playerbase, but if it makes the St. Ives loyalists happy, it's alright with me.

We are capellan! We are the underdogs, with or without the compact players. We are up for any challenge and will prevail, no matter the odds. I would simply like it better if we fought alongside our brothers and sisters instead of against them.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 02:58 AM

View PostSkylarr, on 29 May 2012 - 01:05 PM, said:



Phelan Kell (3031 – 31??), also known as Phelan Ward and Phelan Wolf,


He did not retain both names. He dropped Ward and only used Kell when the warden half went to the Inner Sphere.

Per the Warden clans book(01711) Phelan is refered to as Phelan Kell when previously he was refered to as phelan ward.

#88 Semyon Drakon

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 03:55 AM

Perhaps I might fight in St Ives one day but only if I join Clan Nova cat and deploy as part of the SLDF many years from now.

Nah unlikely...

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:26 AM

Yep, they should be in.

From what I can tell at this point, the only difference in the factions is the cost of Mechs. SoI'm speculation that this is how it will work...
The mech whose factory is in a given faction would be cheaper for that faction than for the others. Like the Raven, base cost for House Liao...more for everyone else. So really we are talking about mech cost lists when talking faction choice (and Faction logo, and mech colors I would guess).

From a mech availability standpoint, they would be like Rassalhauge. Only rather than a mix of Kurita/Steiner mechs being the lower costing ones, it would be a mix of Liao/Davion mechs.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:35 AM

They aren't playable for the same reason as Com Star.

They do nothing at the time, exactly like Com Star and neither side can attack them, once again exactly like Com Star. ;)


Sorry Hayden, but only not making them a part of the Confederation is the most you'll probably achieve.

#91 Hayden

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 09:15 AM

View PostAdridos, on 30 May 2012 - 05:35 AM, said:

They aren't playable for the same reason as Com Star.

They do nothing at the time, exactly like Com Star and neither side can attack them, once again exactly like Com Star. :unsure:


Sorry Hayden, but only not making them a part of the Confederation is the most you'll probably achieve.


Never mind that during this time St. Ives is the only place the Confederation is actually fighting in? The CCAF raided the St. Ives Compact quite frequently, whereas things were relatively quiet on the other fronts. The truth is, no one was doing much more than raids during this time, there were no swaths of territory changing hands, until the Clans stepped in.

#92 DireWolf307

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 09:23 AM

View PostAdridos, on 30 May 2012 - 05:35 AM, said:

They aren't playable for the same reason as Com Star.

They do nothing at the time, exactly like Com Star and neither side can attack them, once again exactly like Com Star. :unsure:


Sorry Hayden, but only not making them a part of the Confederation is the most you'll probably achieve.

If that's the criteria, why have any factions? Considering after the end of the Fourth Succession War, pretty much only merc units were the ones getting any real action... What's the point of having any of the factions playable?

#93 Hayden

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 12:47 PM

View PostDireWolf307, on 30 May 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

If that's the criteria, why have any factions? Considering after the end of the Fourth Succession War, pretty much only merc units were the ones getting any real action... What's the point of having any of the factions playable?


Shhhhhhh! Don't give the dev team any ideas :)

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 11:03 PM

View PostEgomane, on 30 May 2012 - 02:04 AM, said:

I'd like to make an additional statement to my post in page one.

Hayden, I can understand your campaign to bring the SIC into MWO as a playable faction. I do like the compact from a roleplay perspective, I just can't see it as a difference maker in such a big way that it can stand up against both, the CC and the FedSuns. It has its very loyal support among players. But those are even less then the already small player base of the Confederation Capella.

The St. Ives Compact is still a capellan nation. There is no big difference in philosophy, be it military or civilian, only a dispute in leadership. If we add this to the possible need of a more balanced playerbase between the IS nations, I can see no reason, not to integrate the Compact into the Confederation.

Please continue your quest. It may make it harder for us capellans, if we have to split our playerbase, but if it makes the St. Ives loyalists happy, it's alright with me.

We are capellan! We are the underdogs, with or without the compact players. We are up for any challenge and will prevail, no matter the odds. I would simply like it better if we fought alongside our brothers and sisters instead of against them.


I am a 2nd St Ives Lancer - have been for a long time. I have worn many uniforms in the fight, but have remained a Lancer throughout. Fought the Clan, fought Capellans, fought the FedRats, fought the Toasters.

Loyalty is where my Regiment Commander says it should be.

Keep it Green and keep it Mean

Edited by Kahali, 19 September 2012 - 11:03 PM.

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