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[Skylarr]

Chunkymonkey, on 29 May 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

In that case, he should be just Phelen Kell-OR he could be Phelen Ward Kell since that was his middle name but i still dont approve of him using a Canonical name, Developers should get those.

All Clanner have at least 1 name. Those that prove themselves receive a single Bloodname. there has been cases were a Bloodnamed person was able to change his Bloodname. But, the oldBloodname is no longer used.

[Dragon Lady]

Yes,the St. Ives Compact should be playable. It is, after all, ruled by the legitimate heir to House Liao, and not that lunatic at Sian.

But as a loyal daughter of Rasalhague, I'm afraid I won't be able to aid their struggle against the usurpers who rule the Capellan Confederation. I have my hands full protecting our nation against the hated snakes.

[Chunkymonkey]

Skylarr, on 29 May 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

All Clanner have at least 1 name. Those that prove themselves receive a single Bloodname. there has been cases were a Bloodnamed person was able to change his Bloodname. But, the oldBloodname is no longer used.

Pre-Clan

He would be Phelen Ward after and Phelen Kell(again) when he returned to the sphere

[Thomas de Ville]

Hayden, on 29 May 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

Not quite that simple, but I know where you're coming from. Honestly, this little personal crusade of mine is winding down. I'll still be a big fan of St. Ives, but I know when I'm beat (I mean, I knew I was beaten before I even started, but I like hopeless causes).

Even slim hope is better than nothing and you are not alone !

[Carl Wrede]

Hayden, on 29 May 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

FRR gets absorbed by Ghost Bear by the 70s, and the two effectively merge to create a hybridized IS/Clan state. This all goes down within a decade of St. Ives reintegration into the Capellan Confederation. I'm frankly surprised the FRR is playable, since they basically get steam-rolled.

Sigh.. people never learn. FRR does not take pity on the poor misguided "bear people" until 3103 and allow them into its fold to create the Rasalhague Dominion.

Besides, this time its the test-tube wannabies that will get steamrolled!

Edited by Carl Wrede, 29 May 2012 - 06:04 PM.

[Hawk Drakkarsson]

Hell, the more factions the better. I always appreciate having more customers to offer my services too.

[Victor MacGregor]

Hayden, on 29 May 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

Not quite that simple, but I know where you're coming from. Honestly, this little personal crusade of mine is winding down. I'll still be a big fan of St. Ives, but I know when I'm beat (I mean, I knew I was beaten before I even started, but I like hopeless causes).

Don't wind down, just take a different tack. House (Candace) Liao is just too peaceful for a combat-based game. That doesn't preclude proud St. Ives mechwarriors hiking their pack over the shoulder and going where the action is. Maybe not mercenaries, per se, but patriotic guns for hire. Fight so you can send money home. Fighting for freedom on foreign soils, and all that.

[Manthony Higgs]

St. Ives is tiny. It shouldn't even be considered a major power.

Edited by Manthony Higgs, 29 May 2012 - 09:19 PM.

[DireWolf307]

Manthony Higgs, on 29 May 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

St. Ives is tiny. It shouldn't even be considered a major power.

Oh yeah? Well your face is tiny!!

[Manthony Higgs]

Oh no you di'int!

[Justin Loup]

The Davion Puppet-state cannot be considered to have any important role in the Inner Sphere, for they do not but spill the blood of those they once called brothers, at the beck and call of the very House the Confederation was formed to protect against.

This illegal rogue collection was created when a woman who once dared to call herself Liao pawned her body to one of the most bloody spies in history, responsible for the misery and conquest of millions of Capellan people and dozens of worlds. She, confronted with the truth of her lover's disgusting treachery, turned her back on all those who she was obliged to protect and safeguard, as well as aiding in this mass murderer's escape. She then perverted and abused the power and responsibility of her esteemed heritage to rip a Commonality of the Confederation from it, taking with it many Capellan citizens, who trusted House Liao to guide their future and were thus easily mislead by the Grand *****. And why did she do this? Why, to weaken the Capellan People, secure in the knowledge that her Davion Masters would allow her to rule St. Ives as her own personal fief, her own little nest-egg, so that she could live a long life of utter decadence with her butcher of a seducer Justin. And she went so far as to even war against the righteous Capellan Confederation in support of the Fedrat scum, shedding the lives of men and women who actually have honor, so that she may preserve her own ill gotten gains. No man or woman alive can claim the same depth of weakness and pathetic, shallow treachery.

Thankfully, it seems that, despite rumors to the contrary, the ***** of St.Ives has realized the depths of her wretched immorality and has returned the St. Ives Commonality to the loving embrace of the Confederation. And while she could never erase the sins of disloyalty she has committed, perhaps the clean execution she has so obviously earned for herself (though never, never the Butcher Allard, may he die a miserable death at the hands of the truth-seeking Maskirovka and may the information they extract slay a thousand Fedrat scum for each Capellan that died or suffered because of the information he stole) with this act will allow her to gain some measure of redemption in death.

Truly, the light of the Capellan People shines bright, if it can open the eyes of one so blind as Candace, who deserves no other name.

Edit: Note that I was not calling her some petty curse in the asterisks, but rather stating that she is a woman of negotiable affection, in this case for the entire St. Ives Commonality.

Edited by Justin Loup, 29 May 2012 - 09:58 PM.

[Stefano McCarron]

Manthony Higgs, on 29 May 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

St. Ives is tiny. It shouldn't even be considered a major power.

So no Steiner, no Davion? Just Feddies you are!

[FaustianQ]

I like how the Capellans are so xenophobic they don't even entertain the possibility that St.Ives players could turn against FedCom. No, once the Compact leaves the Confederation, they are alien and foreign, and cannot be trusted.

[Justin Loup]

Given that Candice's fief is naught more than a Davion Puppet? No, no they are not very likely to turn against her masters, and they would not survive such an act anyway, without the support of the Confederation.

And as disgusting a taste admitting it gives me, the Puppet-remnants of the St. Ives Commonality is still a better home for it's Capellans subject than the War-State that is the domain of the Steiner-Davion imperialists. Better they remain under the most weak minded Liao than a Fedrat who will strip them of their culture and lives.

Edited by Justin Loup, 29 May 2012 - 11:23 PM.

[Hayden]

Justin Loup, on 29 May 2012 - 11:18 PM, said:

Given that Candice's fief is naught more than a Davion Puppet? No, no they are not very likely to turn against her masters, and they would not survive such an act anyway, without the support of the Confederation.

And as disgusting a taste admitting it gives me, the Puppet-remnants of the St. Ives Commonality is still a better home for it's Capellans subject than the War-State that is the domain of the Steiner-Davion imperialists. Better they remain under the most weak minded Liao than a Fedrat who will strip them of their culture and lives.

At this point I'd like to point out that we didn't end up like Pavel Ridzik's Tikonov Free Republic. I'd also like to point out that St. Ives mobilized it's military and diplomatic power to effectively prevent Davion intervention during the Canopian/Andurien invasion of the Capellan Confederation. Candice plays her cards better than most would, and St. Ives punches way above it's weight class:

Manthony Higgs, on 29 May 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

St. Ives is tiny. It shouldn't even be considered a major power.

It's not considered a major power, but it's still on the map and has an army half the size of Rasalhague's, even though Rasalhague has something like 5 or 6 times as many worlds. Both are considered to be minor powers that pale in contrast to the successor states.

[NinjaCool]

Manthony Higgs, on 29 May 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

St. Ives is tiny. It shouldn't even be considered a major power.

Alexander the Great might not agree with you
He came from "tiny" Macedon and took on the full might of the Persian Empire and won!
http://upload.wikime...mpire_323bc.jpg

[John Clavell]

I'd like to see them added to be honest. I'm all for making the meta-game more in-depth and thus more fun for everyone involved, regardless of faction. I'd say from the get go it makes sense to not include periphery states as it keeps launch player numbers more concentrated, and thus makes more battles available to everyone and more going on. But as more and more players join up to play MWO then adding the periphery and spreading out the player base should not be detrimental. Adding the St. Ives Commonality makes sense to me, as unlike the periphery states, and as Hayden puts it, they are a bigger play in the Battletech timeline. I think it makes sense to include them now not later, if there is any kind of interest to add them at all from the devs.

[Justin Loup]

Hayden, on 29 May 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

At this point I'd like to point out that we didn't end up like Pavel Ridzik's Tikonov Free Republic. I'd also like to point out that St. Ives mobilized it's military and diplomatic power to effectively prevent Davion intervention during the Canopian/Andurien invasion of the Capellan Confederation. Candice plays her cards better than most would, and St. Ives punches way above it's weight class:




It's not considered a major power, but it's still on the map and has an army half the size of Rasalhague's, even though Rasalhague has something like 5 or 6 times as many worlds. Both are considered to be minor powers that pale in contrast to the successor states.

Because, truly, St. Ives could fight off the same warlike nation of imperialist, world hungry dogs that cut the united Capellan Confederation in half.

The only things that keeps the Fedrats from your throat are the guns you point at your kinsmen and Allard's connections and lust for the Traitor Candace.

[Hayden]

Justin Loup, on 30 May 2012 - 12:06 AM, said:

Because, truly, St. Ives could fight off the same warlike nation of imperialist, world hungry dogs that cut the united Capellan Confederation in half.

The only things that keeps the Fedrats from your throat are the guns you point at your kinsmen and Allard's connections and lust for the Traitor Candace.

Yet the Capellan Confederation is still in the game. 30 Regiments to the Federated Commonwealth's 268.

ED: And Rasalhauge has even less than the Capellans.

Edited by Hayden, 30 May 2012 - 12:16 AM.

[Justin Loup]

The Capellan Confederation survives because the Will of the Capellan People is indomitable and uncrushable. The Fedrats may attack our worlds, they may assault our cities, they may batter our armies, and yet still we will march forth, ever ready to fight for our survival, to strain in the name of a united and independent Confederation, as we have since our founding. How can the weakminded Davions hope to kill something as immortal and unstoppable as that idea? They cannot. They have weakened and slowed us, but they cannot stop the revival and strengthening of the Capellan People and of House Liao, as the coming days will surely prove.

That is the difference between the traitorous St. Ives Commonality and the Confederation as a whole. They have broken the unity that makes us immortal, and have left themselves nothing more than another stray bit of territory, hanging on merely through the low cunning of Candice, the malevolent manipulations of Justin Allard, and the bloodstained farce of nationhood they seek to forge with the lives of those Capellans more honorable than themselves.

Edited by Justin Loup, 30 May 2012 - 12:38 AM.