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[CowboyHatValor]

Considering the popularity of the "try before I buy" mentality regarding the Founder's Program specifically, I thought it might be relevant to point out the entire point of the package.

Founder = entrepreneurial, one who helps establish something, charting new ground...i.e. risk.

To be a founder is to help support something that is not a 100% guaranteed success. It's extremely simple. The concept is akin to investing, only writ small-scale. If you invest early into something that turns out being big, you get a little more than someone who decided to join the game once success was obvious.

If you went through the process of playing the game, determining you like it, and then wanting to get the same terms as someone who "invested" early - that simply doesn't work. That's not founding something, that's just being a customer. That's seeing a product, liking the product, and paying for the product. It's extremely important for the long term success of that product, but it isn't helping to "found" anything.

I'm in no way bashing anyone who does not want to take place in the Founder's Program. That's completely understandable. Months from now the distinction will barely matter, as everyone playing, purchasing, and promoting will be important.

Just wanted to throw that out there. Thanks for reading!

Edited by CowboyHatValor, 22 June 2012 - 10:25 AM.

[Aegic]

Yea

Risking having more fun than those other guys!

[B B Wolfe]

Given what I've seen of the as-of-yet unfinished product, it's a risk I'm willing to take.


Edit: for a second there, I thought this was going to be another one of those tl;dr give-me-beta-access threads. Happy to see that it isn't!


Edit 37: I knew how to spell at one point, but it just seems so far away...

Edited by B B Wolfe, 22 June 2012 - 10:37 AM.

[CommanderOSIS]

if it sucks oh well. I highly doubt it and want to support this project.

[Vulpesveritas]

Without risk there cannot be reward. That's simply a fact. Higher risks generally entail higher rewards as possibilities.

Without risk there cannot be reward. That's simply a fact. Higher risks generally entail higher rewards as possibilities.

[CowboyHatValor]

B B Wolfe, on 22 June 2012 - 10:28 AM, said:

for a second there, I thought this was going to be another one of those tl;dr give-me-beta-access threads. Happy to see at it isn't!

I figured the badge would give me away!

[Blastkowitz]

That's how I toke it.

[CowboyHatValor]

Vulpesveritas, on 22 June 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

Without risk there cannot be reward. That's simply a fact. Higher risks generally entail higher rewards as possibilities.

Without risk there cannot be reward. That's simply a fact. Higher risks generally entail higher rewards as possibilities.

Exactly what my post said.

Did you forget to read it too?

[Vulpesveritas]

CowboyHatValor, on 22 June 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

Exactly what my post said.

Did you forget to read it too?

nope merely reitierating the point of the thread as it is a good one.

[Name48928]

Vulpesveritas, on 22 June 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

Without risk there cannot be reward. That's simply a fact. Higher risks generally entail higher rewards as possibilities.

Exactly. So what reward does a founder receive that a non-founder cannot? They receive a founder mech which a non-founder cannot receive. (Everything else in the Founders pack can be purchased by a non-Founder and cannot be considered a return on investment.)

So, is that reward worth the $90/120 risk?

Generally, when a person makes a risky investment, they have a set minimum accepted rate of return. As this number goes up, so does the risk. The minimum return with minimum risk (often accepted as no risk) is a 3 month U.S. Treasury bond. Anything above 10% is generally considered "risky". Anything approaching 25% should be viewed upon with suspicion.

So let's assume average risk on your $90 "investment". Ten percent of that is $9. Is the founder mech worth $9? Especially considering that there's no set value on the founder mech?

Edited by MinionJoe, 22 June 2012 - 10:41 AM.

[CowboyHatValor]

Vulpesveritas, on 22 June 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

nope merely reitierating the point of the thread as it is a good one.

Oh ok. Sorry for doubting!

[CCC Dober]

@vulpes
I've managed to divert my headset funds to a more rewarding product. You may have to wait a bit until I can get back to you on that Roccat we talked about =)

As far as risks go, I figured PGI might be a better call than some unknown headset manufacturer LOL

[gregsolidus]

This guy gets it.

[evil merlin]

To get the good things in life, you always have some risk associated.

If you don't risk anything you end up blaming other people for your failures and end up with something hum-drum.

[DarthMolen]

I invested because:

A) I love this universe, always have and always will
I've played every single Battletech game since crescent hawk's revenge
C) I'm addicted to giant battling piloted robots....How addicted? I've watched Robot Jox a million cajillion times...

What risk??? I GET GIANT BATTLING ROBOTS WITH ME IN DA COCKPIT!!! ONLINE!!! SHOW MY FRIENDS!!! OMGPWNZRZ!!!

ahem... ok... 'nuff of the fanboi

I agree with the sentiment. Hopefully they don't cheapen the investment by re-releasing these special mechs 3 months from now

[Zalikar]

I'm more than willing to take the risk. Just have to wait until next week to take it though. Damn bills....

[FERAL TIGER]

Definitely a large amount of risk involved, but it's an investment that will hopefully payoff with increased Dev support early in the game.

and maybe some dividends please?

[Rhadamanthus]

Well concerning my badge I wounder what my thought was

[CowboyHatValor]

FERAL TIGER, on 22 June 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

and maybe some dividends please?

Ha!

[Lord Exalted]

risk is worth it to me. and i agree the point of the founders is investing a game you hope you will enjoy kinda like kickstarter