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[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Madcap72, on 08 October 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:

No, you're taking it like I'm inferring something when I'm asking a question.

How do you define customer, and how to you rate opinions? Should people with more skin in the game get a higher preferance than people that don't?

IMO ppl playing should; yes. They should have telemetry of ppl who are playing and who arent. I could swear that if you havent played in a certain amount of time then you cant post here (or did that change) that could be the dividing line to who can and cant vote when you send out the email.

Sending it in an email and making the choice known to more ppl (no matter the outcome) is better than not imo.

Still though, how was it that ppl getting the choice to have the mode they wanted adversely affected the gaming of the ppl who voted yes?

[Lilferret]

There is time during game searches, or during waiting screens where quick polls could be posted, or where minigames could be run. Utilize those locations for people to give their feedback about updates, changes, or possibly voting on a new cockpit item.

expecting players to visit the forums is a lofty expectation.

[Haipyng]

Carthoo, on 08 October 2014 - 09:13 AM, said:

I am a big fan of team play. I am always ready to lead the charge, even with 95% probability of me beeing the first KIA. But playing for team of "oh crap ill run so they wont kill me", "Ill help by shooting one lrm 5 from over there" or "Ill guard our rear side with my dire wolf"??

Thanks, Ill take the Cbills and xp, coz playing for team of these guys Ill end up playing same mech for months, coz no money for second version.

And who can blame you? That is why the other game modes are borked.

[Rambow]

War is never a pretty thing, much less do you get to pick and chose where you want to play




............or I'm pretty sure everyone would just do war in Hawaii



It's called the fog of war people.

[speedy mechanic]

All I'm gonna say for now is I'm gonna wait and just trudge on and play. Sure I prefer skirmish but as a real gamer at heart I will just adapt and keep playing. All I see in those that refuse to play different modes are close minded set in there ways, how about you say f it give it a fair shot before you rage. If you can't go into ANY match and give your best effort then I don want you on my team anyway. My experience last night in solo drops (which I do normally do groups) and actually had fun close battles, granted still had 1 12-0 stop but I'd think we just out positioned the other team on conquest. It did take 10+ matches before finally having a skirmish match but my early observations are it looks like a maybe it'll work. I'm holding my vote till the weekend when I can put real time into playing.

[Shalune]

HammerMaster, on 08 October 2014 - 09:02 AM, said:

You know why Heavy and Assault Pilots Hate Conquest? Lack of Rewards for capping.
You know why Heavy and Assault Pilots Hate Assault? Less fighting, more capping. Lack of Rewards for capping.
You know why Light and Medium Pilots Hate Skirmish? Their work in Spotting, Recon, Information Warfare goes unnoticed, unappreciated and Lack of Rewards for doing so.

My sentiment is tweak the modes so it is more broadly enjoyable and it would be played by more Pilots.

No, I hate Skirmish because there's vastly less tactics involved and it's even harder to turn things around once you're down on mechs. As we saw in the tournament, even pro players' best tactic is usually just travelling in a blob in a circle.

Skirmish was only even added to the game as a concession to forum whining because people would rather mindlessly slug it out than think about map positioning. This was a huge mistake that's only propagated the popular misunderstandings about what's good in MWO such as the misconception that mediums are bad.

I'm seriously torn about what to vote for here. On the one hand I hate having to play Skirmish. On the other hand it's forcing team deathmatch players to play the more complex modes.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Nightmare1, on 08 October 2014 - 09:08 AM, said:

I agree that his Transverse statement was unfair. I would like to add, though, that I did not see the previous voting poll. It's probably my fault for missing it, but I normally am very good about keeping on top of things like this. Was it advertised on the main page like the current poll is? If so, then it's definitely my bad for missing it. If not, then I probably should have done some more digging in the forums over the last few weeks, and would like to politely recommend that future polls of such importance be listed on the main page with the rest of the Announcements. This would fix any clarification issues because then nobody could claim that they couldn't find it. Basically, putting such polls into that section places the burden of knowledge/action on us. If we don't vote in that event, then it's our fault for not communicating properly to you.

I will admit that I have been busy with RL these last couple of weeks, so it's possible that you already did what I am recommending, and I simply haven't seen it yet. In that case, please disregard.

I think your second statement is fair. Frankly, I'm just pleased that I get a chance to voice my opinion. Thanks!



There's Constitutional precedent for a 2/3's majority...

Frankly, it'll be a tough cake to slice no matter how PGI does it. The poll is so close, that regardless of how they cut it, they're going to make about half of their player base angry (based on current stats). I really pity them for that; the forums are going to be a hateful place post-Oct. 21st, and I'm sure that the PGI guys won't enjoy having to deal with all the angst.

Hey Im firmly in the no camp but at the same time (and I said as much even so far back as the CB forums) that Id NEVER want to be in the games dev business being that theres no way to win.

[Livewyr]

Russ Bullock, on 08 October 2014 - 09:11 AM, said:

Not it is for a few bugs introduced - like no match score.

If we roll this game mode voting out I will make a seperate patch.

AND the Adv. UAV/Strikes missing, right?

[Rufus Ingram]

While I'm glad the feature seems to be heading in the direction of being reversed (see Russ's post), I hope the poll stays open long enough for people to vote before the change is made. It's been less than 24 hours so Eastern US people haven't hit prime time to see the option to vote yet. Granted, this poll got more response than the original poll pushing for a change, but still, more votes is a more accurate picture, right?

Maintenance not related to poll. Nvm. Keep voting!

Edited by Rufus Ingram, 08 October 2014 - 09:24 AM.

[Threat Doc]

VanillaG, on 08 October 2014 - 08:41 AM, said:

If all members want to vote the same way they would need to go into their personal preferences and modify them each time they wanted to change. For now, the team vote option is the best solution.

Okay, but that's popping open the little tab in the interface that lists the three game types and checking or unchecking what they do or don't want to play. Most players, however, are going to select the game mode(s) they want and leave them that way. By having straight votes, totaling the selected game modes of all players, the highest number of votes selects the mode, instead of the weighted modes concept presently in place.

[Ph30nix]

Please fix conquest (cap time on points and Cbill rewards) before implementing a vote system.

You'd probably see more people okay with playing conquest on their own if it wasn't the POS it currently is.

at the very least fix the cap times it should be almost 1/4th of what it is now, it needs to be quick turn a rounds to encourage mobility.

[Votanin FleshRender]

I don't like conquest at all, but I can't believe the amount of whining. And that's coming from a professional whiner

I'll take anything that will even slightly increase the odds of better games. I've been solo dropping and I haven't played with my friends in months because dropping as a 2-3 man in the group Q was a joke, every game just an annihilation.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Russ Bullock, on 08 October 2014 - 09:09 AM, said:

Yes I understand - The "working as intended" is the main example of what we need to lose on the forums. Of course it isn't what we expected or intended. Nor am I trying to ram my point of view down peoples throats which is a comment I have seen lots on the forums.

I truly thought I followed a process that you the forum goers would respect.

As to a % to win?

My original thinking was that it has to be close to the original 80%, maybe as low as 70% with people now truly understanding what the trade off was. I am not going to keep the feature present with anything less than 70% which pretty much means the decision is already made.

Im good with that.

Hey Ill take the time to publicly apologize for my fervor.

I can step back and realize when Im being a ***** too, and I was and I own that, and I apologize.

I'll attempt to dial it back in the future

Barfing Gopher, on 08 October 2014 - 09:10 AM, said:

I wouldn't do it.

Nor would I

[Alwrathandabout42ninjas]

Voted yes as currently this will be the only way to drop with my casual friends in the group que without them getting stomped 12-0 and they quit to go play other games. As a long time player of this game I am interested in getting more people to play and more people to get involved to help this game grow. It can only be a good thing. To everyone out there who doesnt like different game modes, honestly they are all so similar and often turn into a skirmish anyway so wth is the big deal? Once CW comes out we will have a whole different experience to play in addition to what we have now.

All of the people who have been around since early beta have played the old assault and conquest modes for so long I honestly dont know what the big deal is.

Edited by Alwrath, 08 October 2014 - 09:25 AM.

[Diablo Intercepter]

So far I have felt that all of the matches I've played have been closer. There were only 2 stomps last night (usually it was between 4-6 in my experience). I've also come to the realization that I don't hate conquest, it's actually fun in its own way. Personally I think the new voting system is much better than the old MM.

[DerBernd]

Hello all,

I really dont like that you force me to play game modes i dont wanna play...
I played 19 matches since the "patch" and i got 19 times the modes i REALLY DONT WANT.
I want to play conquest and nothing else... so please let us

HAVE OR FREE WILL

and stop thisnew matchmaker or improve it.

Thank you very much ...

[Roadbeer]

Russ Bullock, on 08 October 2014 - 09:09 AM, said:

My original thinking was that it has to be close to the original 80%, maybe as low as 70% with people now truly understanding what the trade off was. I am not going to keep the feature present with anything less than 70% which pretty much means the decision is already made.

Yeah, I don't see this shaking out much differently that a 50/50 split -/+2%.

Don't give up on the process though. We Forumites love our polls. Just be cautious in the wording, maybe a more indepth explanation, but in this case, I don't think it would have made a difference.

As it was explained, some things sound great in pixels on the screen, but when implementation is made and the Hell of Unintended Consequences arrives, people find that what they thought was a good idea burns them and they forget they actually backed the idea.

Having said all that, I really liked the rapid fulfillment of this feature (if not the feature itself, which I said I'm neutral on, more competitive matches are a good thing, but playing "Any" all the time it didn't impact me), it went from poll to implementation in about two weeks. Maybe the original poll should have ran longer. /shrug.

Edited by Roadbeer, 08 October 2014 - 09:26 AM.

[Osric Lancaster]

That Guy, on 07 October 2014 - 08:35 PM, said:

ERMEGERHD! i haff to play a gahm mote that is only slighty different than the one i whant!

seriously dudes, you realize you can just kill all the things anyway right? thats like how 90% of all matches end anyway (and its only 90% because capping in assault is so damn rare)

Homogenized mediocrity is not something to strive for. Giving the player options is.
If people wanted better elo matching before they could just select 'any'. What does this achieve?

The only functional difference here is that it forces players who DISLIKE A GAME MODE to launch into that game made anyway to appease the derpy elo god. These people are probably not going to play as well in a game mode they don't enjoy, even if they don't run give the enemy team hugs. . . thus making their elo moot.

If ELO worked, if 3/3/3/3 didn't exist, if the match maker worked off a tonnage/value system there 'might' be something to this.

[Kitty Bacon]

DerBernd, on 08 October 2014 - 09:21 AM, said:

Hello all,

I really dont like that you force me to play game modes i dont wanna play...
I played 19 matches since the "patch" and i got 19 times the modes i REALLY DONT WANT.
I want to play conquest and nothing else... so please let us

HAVE OR FREE WILL

and stop thisnew matchmaker or improve it.

Thank you very much ...

They already said they will remove it if the votes are not over 70% of the player base. Its getting removed lol

Osric Lancaster, on 08 October 2014 - 09:24 AM, said:

Homogenized mediocrity is not something to strive for. Giving the player options is.
If people wanted better elo matching before they could just select 'any'. What does this achieve?

The only functional difference here is that it forces players who DISLIKE A GAME MODE to launch into that game made anyway to appease the derpy elo god. These people are probably not going to play as well in a game mode they don't enjoy, even if they don't run give the enemy team hugs. . . thus making their elo moot.

If ELO worked, if 3/3/3/3 didn't exist, if the match maker worked off a tonnage/value system there 'might' be something to this.

Yes... if 3/3/3/3 didn't work we would see 5-6 Dire Wolves per 12 man team with 2 Gauss and a bunch of lasers. Or worse yet, just a full team of Timber Wolves since they are the dominant mech. 3/3/3/3 needs to be in for group drops xD

Edited by Kitty Bacon, 08 October 2014 - 09:26 AM.

[Jeon Ji Yoon]

I think its funny how 95% of the posts in this thread are "I HATE THIS! Let's stop paying/playing and make them pay for forcing us to play a different mode of play!" and then the poll is 52% to 48% lol Its like every US election in the past 20 years lol