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Should there be BattleTech melee weapons

  1. Yes (459 votes [85.16%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 85.16%

  2. No (80 votes [14.84%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.84%

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#161 RagingOyster

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 04:44 PM

The idea of melee weapons/attacks is such a cool one....

But I vote no, simply because I can't see it being implemented well. I mean, we all remember dragon bowling back when collision was a thing. I am excited to see collision return, but I just can't see actual melee being done well.

Maybe allowing you to do damage by torso twisting in such a way that your arm hits the enemy, adding another layer of finesse to brawling? It would be cool to let a KGC use those big claws to whack a circling Raven.

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 04:50 PM

View PostRagingOyster, on 28 May 2015 - 04:44 PM, said:

The idea of melee weapons/attacks is such a cool one....

But I vote no, simply because I can't see it being implemented well. I mean, we all remember dragon bowling back when collision was a thing. I am excited to see collision return, but I just can't see actual melee being done well.

Maybe allowing you to do damage by torso twisting in such a way that your arm hits the enemy, adding another layer of finesse to brawling? It would be cool to let a KGC use those big claws to whack a circling Raven.

With collisions on, that smack would be beautiful, as it knocks the twitchy little bastar'd to the ground. Then I can put those 2 AC20s right in it's gigantor beak.

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 04:57 PM

View PostVoid Angel, on 28 May 2015 - 04:28 PM, said:

Thus, if you wanted to forgo weapons fire, and if you were close to the enemy - meaning if you could catch him or if he could catch you - and if he was in your arc and not behind you or something... You could hit him. There were times when this was preferable - it's not always a last-ditch, no-weapons-left tactic. But it's also not the main focus of the game, particularly with a fair number of 'mechs lacking lower arm and/or hand actuators.

In any case, at the level of importance to tabletop gameplay (and we do need to follow tabletop unless there's a reason not to) and given the non-trivial technical issues involved in melee combat... we're not going to be getting that any time soon.


All right, I get your point. Do you also think pc games are for the faint of heart? Pardon for the condescending tone, but I can see five assaults surrounding and beating another mech is a heavy toll on someone's emotions.

But I'd like to see a Charger. And the Charger has *5 small lasers in a 80-tonner*. That's what I'm talking about: there are snipers, and there are brawlers, and both are canonically relevant.

View PostVoid Angel, on 28 May 2015 - 04:28 PM, said:

(and we do need to follow tabletop unless there's a reason not to)

There. You said it all. *No* reason at all to claim it's hard to do. We all know it's hard: no news. We (I'm, at least) are paying for Battletech and Mechwarrior, not a generic "heavy gear like" game. And melee - and, for Mechwarrior, on foot FPS! - is an integral part of the *war*game

Edited by AbsUserName, 28 May 2015 - 05:01 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2015 - 05:03 PM

View PostAbsUserName, on 28 May 2015 - 04:57 PM, said:

But I'd like to see a Charger. And the Charger has *5 small lasers in a 80-tonner*. That's what I'm talking about: there are snipers, and there are brawlers, and both are canonically relevant.


In all fairness, that's the base model. Give me that 80 tonner, and it's 5 energy hardpoints, and I'll make a beast out of it.

#165 Void Angel

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 06:20 PM

View PostAbsUserName, on 28 May 2015 - 04:57 PM, said:


All right, I get your point. Do you also think pc games are for the faint of heart? Pardon for the condescending tone, but I can see five assaults surrounding and beating another mech is a heavy toll on someone's emotions.

But I'd like to see a Charger. And the Charger has *5 small lasers in a 80-tonner*. That's what I'm talking about: there are snipers, and there are brawlers, and both are canonically relevant.


There. You said it all. *No* reason at all to claim it's hard to do. We all know it's hard: no news. We (I'm, at least) are paying for Battletech and Mechwarrior, not a generic "heavy gear like" game. And melee - and, for Mechwarrior, on foot FPS! - is an integral part of the *war*game

I'm sorry, but are you for real? Significant technical issues that would require major investment of scarce resources in order to even try to solve is a very good reason not to add a feature that's not essential to the game So if my quote is indeed the final word on the subject - that means you're wrong.

Your having to resort to the Charger proves my point that dedicated melee 'mechs were the exception, not the rule. The Charger is considered to be one of the worst 'mech designs of all time - both in tabletop and in canon flavor text. Some melee-equipped 'mechs were very popular with fans, and melee combat is certainly fun - but it's not an integral part of the battlefield. While melee combat was indeed present from the very first, only 47 Battlemechs in the entire history of the game have been equipped with any sort of melee weapon - many of them being rare retrofits, Solaris VII gladiatorial 'mechs unknown on the actual battlefield, or 'mechs that were not produced until later (sometimes much later) than the current chronology.

While we as players, particularly of the tabletop, would love to see melee combat implemented, it's not a bread-and-butter part of the game, and need not be absolutely included - particularly since it would take a lot of time and effort just to see if the technical difficulties could be overcome with this game engine.

Edited by Void Angel, 28 May 2015 - 06:21 PM.


#166 Leone

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:16 PM

I 'unno about you, but pretty much every battle tech map I've been in has included melee attacks. I mean, in the table top game, they are free attacks. Already shot with your arm mounted weapons? Kick their legs out from under em! Standing in a forest (Which you should do often,)? Grab a tree and get ready to bash some mech. One in six chance you smash the head! Need to cool down? Well don't fire that large laser in your arm, give em a good whack instead.

That said, this game? While I'd love me some melee, I can accept that there're prolly other things on the devs plates right now. Ideal world? Yes, I'd love real charging damage. Heck, I managed to DFA someone with a Banshee just yesterday, because I could. Would I have loved to have done some damage? Of course!

But like I said, I can live without it for now.

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#167 EAP10

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 03:47 AM

View PostRagingOyster, on 28 May 2015 - 04:44 PM, said:

The idea of melee weapons/attacks is such a cool one....

But I vote no, simply because I can't see it being implemented well. I mean, we all remember dragon bowling back when collision was a thing. I am excited to see collision return, but I just can't see actual melee being done well.

Maybe allowing you to do damage by torso twisting in such a way that your arm hits the enemy, adding another layer of finesse to brawling? It would be cool to let a KGC use those big claws to whack a circling Raven.


Yes, yes, yes, and more yes. This is what I was trying to outline quite a few pages back. Look for my very long post and you'll see what I mean.

#168 Will9761

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 08:55 AM

Anything that allows me to use my hand actuators or increases the chance of seeing a Hatchetman and Axman is a yes for me.

Edited by Will9761, 29 May 2015 - 08:57 AM.


#169 IraqiWalker

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 11:51 AM

I think the TL;DR of this entire thread is this:
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I remember for a fact that PGI wants to add melee into the game. It's just that coding it is a nightmare, and is beyond their scope for the time being.

#170 rolly

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 12:49 PM

View PostRushin Roulette, on 21 November 2012 - 01:32 AM, said:

Here is a preview of an Atlas vs a scout if Melee damage is implemented;

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If an Atlas can do that. We're so in trouble.

On a serious note though, I often wonder if this game is using CryEngine why can't CQB happen in MWO? I'm assuming Far Cry must have had coding for CQB would it not? Can anyone shed some light on this? I dare say that would it not be possible to check out the coding on collisions and CQB in Far Cry and implement a basic push or punch here?

Edited by rolly, 29 May 2015 - 12:53 PM.


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Posted 29 May 2015 - 12:54 PM

View PostWill9761, on 29 May 2015 - 08:55 AM, said:

Anything that allows me to use my hand actuators or increases the chance of seeing a Hatchetman and Axman is a yes for me.


Whoa. Easy there. Keep those "hand actuators" where we can all see them. :P





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