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[Mathmatics]

i may have mentioned this before but from a business perspective it just makes so much more sense to me to sell paints by the pot. For instance lets say if they do pay per spray you pain your mech red. Then a couple months down the line the release a metalic red color. Now you have to buy the metalic color and you blood red color is gone forever. It is very much in the spirit of miniatrue games to sell us pots of pain like from a hobby store and you could literally have hundreds of them. Metallics, High gloss, Flat. That and you could sell cammo patterns and insignia. I'm sure most of us battletech fans (your core audience) Would have no problem paying 3-4 buks for a pot of paint. Especially if you let us pan our camera around the mech lab. I really think you guys could make a killing doing it this was. Also like ciditel or any of those other companys you could sell the paints in packs. So for like $100 packs with lots of important colors and maybe a few patterns and stuff.

I am begging you PGI give this consideration. The other way dose not sound like something I would want tos pend money on. I wont pay real money to test a pain scheme or every time I want to change a unit. I would however buy every single pot of paint and pattern and insignia you sell.

Edited by Mathmatics, 24 November 2012 - 02:51 PM.

[Mathmatics]

Sorry had it locked you guys can feel free to flame and douse away

[MoonUnitBeta]

As I said in other threads, I was really hoping you would be able to buy a camo and it's yours, if you buy another camo, it's yours and you can swap between each camo for free.

Another question comes up, if I paint a mech, and end up selling it, and buy a new one of that exact mech later on, do I get my painted mech back? I'm not going to waste another 300mc on a Mechbay just to keep the mech I dumped 1000MC on to paint...

And that's what I mean is silly:
Spend 500+ MC to paint a mech, a month later you run outta mechbays and you gatta clear room, now you're stuck with 3 mechs you like, and one mech that you don't like but you spent money on to paint - so why delete it? You're now effectively forcing the player into a really undesirable decision, and if they do end up selling their painted mech, they realize the stupidity of what they did by using their real money and how they just watched it go down the toilet.

Not the best advertising in my books... PGI needs to learn some people skills it seems...and get the $ signs out of their eyes, otherwise that's the only place they'll see that symbol and have nothing to show for it.
After that experience, I know I wouldn't be spending any kind of MC on paint jobs that I can't re-apply for free, or move around.

Heck, I'd buy a mechbay before i spend the equivilant on a paint job that I'll never see again if I sell a Mech or end up getting bored of that mech.

[LionOne]

Great idea!

[Mathmatics]

MoonUnitBeta, on 24 November 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

As I said in other threads, I was really hoping you would be able to buy a camo and it's yours, if you buy another camo, it's yours and you can swap between each camo for free.

Another question comes up, if I paint a mech, and end up selling it, and buy a new one of that exact mech later on, do I get my painted mech back? I'm not going to waste another 300mc on a Mechbay just to keep the mech I dumped 1000MC on to paint...

And that's what I mean is silly:
Spend 500+ MC to paint a mech, a month later you run outta mechbays and you gatta clear room, now you're stuck with 3 mechs you like, and one mech that you don't like but you spent money on to paint - so why delete it? You're now effectively forcing the player into a really undesirable decision, and if they do end up selling their painted mech, they realize the stupidity of what they did by using their real money and how they just watched it go down the toilet.

Not the best advertising in my books... PGI needs to learn some people skills it seems...and get the $ signs out of their eyes, otherwise that's the only place they'll see that symbol and have nothing to show for it.
After that experience, I know I wouldn't be spending any kind of MC on paint jobs that I can't re-apply for free, or move around.

Heck, I'd buy a mechbay before i spend the equivilant on a paint job that I'll never see again if I sell a Mech or end up getting bored of that mech.

Well with this alternative idea (that I think was pgi's idea first tbh) they still get to make oodles of cash and make us happy!

[MoonUnitBeta]

Mathmatics, on 24 November 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

Well with this alternative idea (that I think was pgi's idea first tbh) they still get to make oodles of cash and make us happy!

Hope so!
But if the mentality is the same as upgrades (you need to pay for the service of un-installing and re-installing the upgrades each and everytime), and you have to end up buying the new paint, paying for the labour to put it on, and you never can actually swap anything or you end up losing the paintjob, then I'm never going to put a penny into that.

Anyways... here's to a brighter future. *raises glass*

[Mathmatics]

MoonUnitBeta, on 24 November 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Hope so!
But if the mentality is the same as upgrades (you need to pay for the service of un-installing and re-installing the upgrades each and everytime), and you have to end up buying the new paint, paying for the labour to put it on, and you never can actually swap anything or you end up losing the paintjob, then I'm never going to put a penny into that.

Anyways... here's to a brighter future. *raises glass*

Cheers!

[Elric von Rabenfels]

This is a much better way of doing this than the one the devs want to use.

I approve of this idea!

Edited by Elric von Rabenfels, 24 November 2012 - 06:23 PM.

[Mathmatics]

Elric von Rabenfels, on 24 November 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

This is a much better way of doing this than the one the deves want to use.

I approve of this idea!

Thanks for the compliment. I believe this was on the table for the devs at first but they some how got distracted to the current plan. For all we know this could still be the end goal. If I get enough positive votes on it I am going to make sure the devs know this is how we want to give them our money.

[Billygoat]

Mathmatics, your idea (and other similar ones that have been floating around) is so obvious and so far superior to the planned method that I just don't see how PGI even came up with the one that they seem set on implementing. The planned method has no permanency and - if the screenshots are accurate - the MC prices are outrageous for what you get.

MC-to-Unlock (with free use or CBill-per-Spray thereafter) patterns and colours and "collect them all" means I happily burn my Founders MC on useless cosmetic junk and probably even pony up the cash to buy more for other stuff later.

MC-per-Spray and atrocious value for money means I hoard my MC even longer and probably don't spend any more cash to buy more.

It's probably too late to change it now but... wow.

[aspect]

Good poll.

[skullman86]

Patterns = permanent ownership after paying MC (make swapping cost c-bills)
Colors = pay for changes (change 1 color, pay the MC for 1 color etc.)

If it were like this, I would be ok with it.

Edited by skullman86, 24 November 2012 - 07:06 PM.

[Mathmatics]

Billygoat, on 24 November 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

Mathmatics, your idea (and other similar ones that have been floating around) is so obvious and so far superior to the planned method that I just don't see how PGI even came up with the one that they seem set on implementing. The planned method has no permanency and - if the screenshots are accurate - the MC prices are outrageous for what you get.

MC-to-Unlock (with free use or CBill-per-Spray thereafter) patterns and colours and "collect them all" means I happily burn my Founders MC on useless cosmetic junk and probably even pony up the cash to buy more for other stuff later.

MC-per-Spray and atrocious value for money means I hoard my MC even longer and probably don't spend any more cash to buy more.

It's probably too late to change it now but... wow.

Thanks a lot. What sold me on paying for jars of paints and being able to pan around my mech in the lab was thinking about how much time I have spent stairing at my own painted minis, legos and even ships in eve. To people like me PGI would make a killing off this. For everyone else, having jar of paint gives a more long term feeling of ownership (even if it has limited uses just like real paint does) that I would think anyone would be far more prone to spend money on them than pay to spray.

Edited by Mathmatics, 24 November 2012 - 09:36 PM.

[Vermaxx]

I voted for buying paint instead of making changes, for all the good that will do. System is coming out the way they said, and so far I have not seen one paid option change to suit us.

[Synra]

I don't really understand the purpose of this topic. It sounds to me like you are buying your new paint job for MC either way.

Personally I am in the boat of wanting to customize all my mechs, but not if it means spending MC on mechs I intend to sell back once I finish the exp trees. I can see spending MC to permanently unlock new camo textures for my account, but actually applying that pattern and coloring to a mech should cost cbills, not MC.

[Kdogg788]

If the PC Gamer skin is anything to go by, it appears the metric is already in place to retain a skin that you can keep forever and apply to multiple mechs if you would like. This would in the long run be the most appealing and profitable way to do this as many players have already been using the PCG skins for some time and would like more.

-k

[Clay Pigeon]

I hope I don't have to buy tons of keys to open the crates that have a chance of giving me the color I want.

[Mathmatics]

Kdogg788, on 24 November 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

If the PC Gamer skin is anything to go by, it appears the metric is already in place to retain a skin that you can keep forever and apply to multiple mechs if you would like. This would in the long run be the most appealing and profitable way to do this as many players have already been using the PCG skins for some time and would like more.

-k

I personally wouldn't hate that option either. PGI has some amazing artists, but the way they were showing the paint option was more like painting sections of the mech any color you want for a fee, then when you change a color pay up again. Someone mentioned we should be able to paint our mechs for free. In an ideal world PGI would be as big in america as armored core is in the japan and we would have just bought the game in the store on release. This however is not an ideal world and PGI HAS to make money to keep this thing going.

I know im starting to sound like a broken record but I am way more willing to buy limited use jars of paint (like omg take my money NOW) than I am to buy a one time spray job.

Clay Pigeon, on 24 November 2012 - 11:01 PM, said:

I hope I don't have to buy tons of keys to open the crates that have a chance of giving me the color I want.

BAHAHAHA!

[Joseph Mallan]

I'm a pretty good painter of Minis and this is an Awesome idea. By allowing us to buy "pots of paint" We will be able to paint multiple Mechs, But still have to "refresh" the paint supply with every 10-15 Mechs Painted. It is a very cool Idea!

[ShadowDarter]

basic set of colours, Free.

Special colours pay with MC to have in your options list, but to apply them to your mech use Cbils.... (Note: there will need to be a C-Bill sinks in the future no matter what.)

Same witth Cammos patterns as per colours.