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#1 Braggart

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:14 PM

Quite frankly the current state of the game is not battletech as most people know it. Been here for some time, playing off and on, hoping for the game to really come alive.

A table top game based around random dice rolls does not lend itself to a game that allows precision aiming with half a dozen of the same weapon that cripples a single armor location in an instant. The fact they are even thinking about table top in terms of design is simply stupid. There is simply no way to truly turn tabletop rules into realtime combat rules.

As a long time mechwarrior and battletech player and fan. This game is currently not the mechwarrior game we are looking for. This is just as sloppy as the last several mechwarrior games in terms of online. Which sadly, this is the only mode this game offers, and should be superior to every previous release of mechwarrior.

Yes, sure say its an open beta. Say whatever you want. It doesnt matter, they are currently willing to take our money, which means the game is officially launched, regardless of the title they want to give it.

There is some promise, but they have serious design issues to work out. I think Piranha really needs to look at some core designs and realize they made a few mistakes, and change them.

All that said, i think a stock only game mode would be worth playing until the other issues are worked out, and would be the only reason i would decide to stay. Provide real mechwarriors a game of their enjoyment, and those looking for the equivalent to mech assault their game.

Agree or not. Thats the great thing about opinions, this is simply mine, and might not represent others. I won't spend a dime on this game til some major flaws are fixed.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:18 PM

It is missing for the same reason No Heat + Unlimited Ammo + Respawns is MIA, not to mention CTF and Mission Play.

What You See Is What You Get.

#3 Wizard Steve

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:18 PM

I saw another post today that certain hardpoints be fixed to force players to retain each mech's iconic weapons (like the AC/10 in the arm of the CN9-A or the PPCs in the torso of the AWS-8R). I like the idea; it would certainly encourage me to try more mechs rather than stick to the handful of min-maxed designs I currently run around in.

#4 Spheroid

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:38 PM

One post in five plus month = fail.

#5 Vassago Rain

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:38 PM

Play trial mechs. There, stock mechs.

Have fun overheating, and running out of ammo.

#6 Wizard Steve

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:43 PM

View PostSpheroid, on 11 January 2013 - 11:38 PM, said:

One post in five plus month = fail.

Your 166th post was of course a fine example of why some people should only get one post every five months.

#7 Cranky Poed

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:06 AM

Stock mechs is where the real skill comes out.

#8 Doc Holliday

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:32 AM

While we're on the topic of specialized gameplay modes, I'd also like to see no LRM, no ECM, and no light mech modes.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:39 AM

View PostCranky Poed, on 12 January 2013 - 12:06 AM, said:

Stock mechs is where the real skill comes out.


hence no one uses them it's like sending tiny tim to face muhammed ali.

#10 Johnny Reb

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:51 AM

View PostFenixStryk, on 11 January 2013 - 11:18 PM, said:

It is missing for the same reason No Heat + Unlimited Ammo + Respawns is MIA, not to mention CTF and Mission Play.

What You See Is What You Get.

Heh and I thought this game was deficient cause it has no dice!

#11 Kaijin

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:47 AM

View PostWizard Steve, on 11 January 2013 - 11:18 PM, said:

I saw another post today that certain hardpoints be fixed to force players to retain each mech's iconic weapons (like the AC/10 in the arm of the CN9-A or the PPCs in the torso of the AWS-8R). I like the idea; it would certainly encourage me to try more mechs rather than stick to the handful of min-maxed designs I currently run around in.


I've long thought it a good idea to limit mech customization to a 1 or 2 hardpoint variance from stock. That'd be goodbye to Streakapults, and LRM-boating Atlases. If a factor to this was a mech being forced to retain at least one of it's heaviest stock hardpoints, gaussapults and splatpults could still exist, but they'd be damn slow and not particularly well armored.

More variants and less of the same min/maxed builds running around would be good for the game, IMO.

#12 Vassago Rain

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:48 AM

View PostKaijin, on 12 January 2013 - 01:47 AM, said:


I've long thought it a good idea to limit mech customization to a 1 or 2 hardpoint variance from stock. That'd be goodbye to Streakapults, and LRM-boating Atlases. If a factor to this was a mech being forced to retain at least one of it's heaviest stock hardpoints, gaussapults and splatpults could still exist, but they'd be damn slow and not particularly well armored.

More variants and less of the same min/maxed builds running around would be good for the game, IMO.


Yes, limiting custom jobs is totally how you to do mechwarrior right.
That's why living legends is alive and well.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:03 AM

View PostVassago Rain, on 12 January 2013 - 01:48 AM, said:


Yes, limiting custom jobs is totally how you to do mechwarrior right.
That's why living legends is alive and well.


and why ecm raven's with streaks is hated by everyone? one man's poision is another mans medicine i suppose? when people are so fussed about customising that it appears in thread after thread and then polls come along you might wanna think something's up.

http://mwomercs.com/...game-right-now/

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 12 January 2013 - 02:05 AM.


#14 Vassago Rain

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:06 AM

View PostGalaxyBluestar, on 12 January 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:


and why ecm raven's with streaks is hated by everyone? one man's poision is another mans medicine i suppose? when people are so fussed about customising that it appears in thread after thread and then polls come along you might wanna think something's up.

http://mwomercs.com/...game-right-now/


A blo blo blo blo.

#15 GalaxyBluestar

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:08 AM

View PostVassago Rain, on 12 January 2013 - 02:06 AM, said:


A blo blo blo blo.


that's it... baby speak? well done when you grow up you'll be able to pilot a mech some day.

#16 Oderint dum Metuant

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:08 AM

View PostGalaxyBluestar, on 12 January 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:


and why ecm raven's with streaks is hated by everyone? one man's poision is another mans medicine i suppose? when people are so fussed about customising that it appears in thread after thread and then polls come along you might wanna think something's up.

http://mwomercs.com/...game-right-now/



And in the spirit of Battletech, Some stock mechs are total garbage placing them on the shelf, leading to a still small selection of good chassis....and a race to assaults.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:12 AM

View PostDV McKenna, on 12 January 2013 - 02:08 AM, said:



And in the spirit of Battletech, Some stock mechs are total garbage placing them on the shelf, leading to a still small selection of good chassis....and a race to assaults.


yeah and the game shouldn't be that way BT or no BT if MWO turns into customising formular one where everyone's in ferraris then game's gone.

kinda gone off topic haven't we? well i'll let you do whatever.

#18 Mordin Ashe

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:13 AM

I fear stock Mechs aren't fun. They may be iconic, but not fun. Also they would be far too predictable in the field so the fun from outmaneuvering and outplaying the enemy would be gone. And did I say the stock Mechs aren't even balanced? Eventually there would be simple tactics employed to secure victory, which is much worse scenario than what we have right now. Now one can win with lasers, ACs and even LRMs, even though this one is rather difficult right now. If all you can drive is stock, this won't be possible.

#19 Vassago Rain

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:14 AM

View PostGalaxyBluestar, on 12 January 2013 - 02:12 AM, said:


yeah and the game shouldn't be that way BT or no BT if MWO turns into customising formular one where everyone's in ferraris then game's gone.

kinda gone off topic haven't we? well i'll let you do whatever.


It's already there, duh.
Mechwarrior is all about making giant robots. No one cares about battletech.

#20 Kaijin

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:15 AM

View PostDV McKenna, on 12 January 2013 - 02:08 AM, said:



And in the spirit of Battletech, Some stock mechs are total garbage placing them on the shelf, leading to a still small selection of good chassis....and a race to assaults.


Show me a stock mech that would still suck after swapping out 2 hardpoints, upgrading to DHS, and possibly endosteel and an XL engine.





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