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FupDup, on 28 February 2013 - 07:02 PM, said:

no u

no u

[Mister Blastman]

Battlecruiser, on 28 February 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

but I'm talking about gaming, pc's are bad at games and thus they have bad games. consoles are good at games and thus they have good games.

as far as hardware goes, that figuring that kind of stuff is for losers and not worth my time. microsoft knows what they're doing- but hey enjoy no exclusives, bad games, and poorly made ports while I enjoy the real deal.



whatever you say lol. I know a crying baby when I see one, go back to your "minecraft" XD

Consoles are full of silly kids who /think/ they know how to game but in reality the only thing they can figure out is what the onscreen instructions and prompts tell them to do. They have to be handheld like a geriatric wheelchair bound special ed patient and when faced with true deep gameplay that requires a shred of thought, they scream, tantrum and cry, unable to perform and throw their controller across the room and break their television. Then their Mommy comes in the room and grounds them.

The end.

I'll stick to my PCs. Try playing Falcon 4.0 BMS, Rise of Flight or Digital Combat Simulator on a console. Hahahahaha. It'd be hilarious.

Oh, wait, how about try playing StarCraft on one. LOL. Or Supreme Commander. Or... MechWarrior online! Or how about X3... or System Shock 1 and 2... or... The Stalker Series. Yeah. Have fun playing kid games or spoonfed cinematic borefests.

I like my PC games. Have a nice day!

Edited by Mister Blastman, 28 February 2013 - 08:38 PM.

[Cest7]

Full time job, casual gamer, loving the game.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Battlecruiser, on 28 February 2013 - 07:02 PM, said:

also my xbox has better specs than that because microsoft made it.

The only game Xbox has that worth owning is the Halo series.

I doubt Microsoft made it, looking at the generic parts in mine from a few weeks ago. It has cheap parts, horribad cooling, terribad solder, uses an X-clamp on the heatsink, which caused the motherboard to warp. I replaced the fans with some quality PC fans and the solder in it with some higher quality solder that won't crack when the board flexes. It doesn't fail as bad, but it's still subpar.

[FupDup]

Battlecruiser, on 28 February 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

no u

no u

[Critical Fumble]

StalaggtIKE, on 28 February 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:

Right..., LRM 5, MG, flame, SDR-5K, CDA-3C, DRG-5N and AS7-K.

Some things, especially the mechs you listed, need big, red, warning signs so people don't waste their cadet money thinking they can make them effective (versus the better mechs/variants).

Its not about dumbing the game down, its about keeping people from falling off when attempting an accent on the learning curve.

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FupDup, on 28 February 2013 - 07:09 PM, said:

no u

no u

Mister Blastman, on 28 February 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

Consoles are full of silly kids who /think/ they know how to game but in reality the only thing they can figure out is what the
onscreen instructions and prompts tell them to do. They have to be handheld like a geriatric wheelchair bound special ed patient and when faced with true deep gameplay that requires a shred of thought, they
scream, tantrum and cry, unable to perform and throw their controller across the room and break their television. Then their Mommy comes in the room and grounds them.

The end.

I'll still to my PCs. Try playing Falcon 4.0 BMS, Rise of Flight or Digital Combat Simulator on a console. Hahahahaha. It'd be hilarious.

Oh, wait, how about try playing StarCraft on one. LOL. Or Supreme Commander. Or... MechWarrior online! Or how about X3... or System Shock 1 and 2... or... The Stalker Series. Yeah. Have fun playing kid games or spoonfed cinematic borefests.

I like my PC games. Have a nice day!

don't even get me started, my theory in a nutshell goes a little something like this: the whole everythings a shooter not only desensitizes and works as incitement to join the military (while not necessarily a bad thing to have desensitized and skilled killers in ones military, I don't believe it's diplomatically correct nor economically responsible to occupy another country for long periods of time), but the GO HERE DO THIS YOU WIN template for modern games where you follow a little marker and get told what to do in a game on rails, is brainwashing players of all ages out of thinking for themselves, whether intentional or not. in fact, if you're a long time game player, and you play these kinds of games frequently, go play something from your childhood. I didn't realize what profound effect modern games had on my ability to do things for myself at least in regards to games until i popped in an old favorite that wasn't set on rails and didn't hand hold. This could explain why kids raised on shooters and other objective games like fallout 3 and skyrim and the like have a hard time getting interested in older games. just as how older men who grew up with the internet are less likely to have ED from internet ****, where as younger men who grew up with the internet are more likely to become addicts and develop ED. I draw the connection to the fact that the same pleasure center is utilized for both things. and i can only hope a documented study is done on this fact to support my theory.

games are treated like a sort of drug now, relying on the success reward mechanism to hook players on their games, and like with **** addicts, the dopamine release from "winning" eventually alters your brain chemistry to that of an addict. your willpower being lowered as a result, as well as driving you for more and more. eventually you're conditioned to care only about success, in this case following objectives as fastly as possible, concerns about story and gameplay a thing of the past.

this success reward mechanism is also abused on social forums such as reddit and facebook, where "being right" at all costs in pursuit of those upboats drives individuals to give up their own opinions in pursuit of what works for that success feeling, often being the cause of irrational circlejerks, and promotes overall sociopathic behavior as well as a large amount of peer pressure and ignorance towards opposing opinions regardless of their validity, because they are not viewed as a successful means to gain approval.

we are indeed, in a huxley universe.

but that ***** depressing, anything in excess is bad for you anyway.

JohanssenJr, on 28 February 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

The only game Xbox has that worth owning is the Halo series.

I doubt Microsoft made it, looking at the generic parts in mine from a few weeks ago. It has cheap parts, horribad cooling, terribad solder, uses an X-clamp on the heatsink, which caused the motherboard to warp. I replaced the fans with some quality PC fans and the solder in it with some higher quality solder that won't crack when the board flexes. It doesn't fail as bad, but it's still subpar.

i don't own an xbox 360, and the only two games I own for the xbox are tennis and a rainbow six game. I've played both the first and second halo on the computer, and do not see a reason to own a console when I already have a pc. except the ps3, even though i don't like sony.

the wii would also be a viable console, even though nintendo is packed full of rehashes and nothing original has come out of there in years, they seem to be the company the other two copy off of the most, and often have fun titles for playing with a group of friends in your own home, regardless of the stale nature of their current ip's

Edited by Battlecruiser, 28 February 2013 - 08:31 PM.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Battlecruiser, on 28 February 2013 - 08:15 PM, said:

Snip

I got protrolled. But everything you said is pretty much a theory I have as well about modern gamers. I got a cousin that really looks up to me and borrowed many of my old games and wonders how I beat them. Especially Morrowind. Its sort of saddening.

[WANTED]

For what it's worth I am a first PC player than Xbox 360 convert and back to PC again. My previous PC rig was too old to play any games and I was out of the loop for 7 years on PC. Then I got an XBOX 360 and while I have loved many games on that console, the xbox controller is something I have never been fully adjusted too when it comes to FPS. I just can't aim with an Etch a Sketch. Sure I kept playing and trying but now since I finally got the money to build a new rig I have joined the PC ranks again. And I love this game and glad I can finally be a part of it. My Xbox is now a NETFLIX entertainment center for me and my 3 1/2 year old son

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JohanssenJr, on 28 February 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

I got protrolled. But everything you said is pretty much a theory I have as well about modern gamers. I got a cousin that really looks up to me and borrowed many of my old games and wonders how I beat them. Especially Morrowind. Its sort of saddening.

yeah, i saw the problems with the 360 looong before that sucker ever hit the shelves. people told me i was crazy then, and they still call me crazy 8 failed xboxes each and some 2400+$ later, not counting online costs. but it's understandable they'd want to protect their time and money investments, nobody likes to admit they made a bad investment, especially when time is involved. can't get that back, at least not yet.

meanwhile i've had the same 500$ computer for going on 6 years now that thanks to consoles, can run most games on max settings without problems, so I guess I can't complain.


also, notice how this thread is now about consoles and not "why is mwo so hard bla bla bla"? amazing how that works. I wonder If I could find a job subverting forums?

Edited by Battlecruiser, 28 February 2013 - 10:11 PM.

[TheRulesLawyer]

Complexity aside, there is a real uphill battle for a new player and yes casuals. Unlike most FPS experienced players have not only a skill advantage, they have sizable equipment advantage. I think people forget that it takes awhile to earn a couple mechs and enough c-bills to outfit them how you like. Once you have a stockpile of weapons its much easier to try new builds. Especially not on premium like most new players and casuals are likely playing. Elo is going to help, but the equipment curve makes the already steep learning curve even more unfriendly.

[Adrian Steel]

Considering that most of the pertinent gameplay information is not in the game client, but on the forums.

Yeah... I wonder why the new player game experience is bad.

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Adrian Steel, on 28 February 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

Considering that most of the pertinent gameplay information is not in the game client, but on the forums.

Yeah... I wonder why the new player game experience is bad.

encyclopedia accessible from in-game would be nice

[Helbourne]

Battlecruiser, on 23 February 2013 - 12:46 AM, said:

call of duty is much better because you can play it on the xbox where there are no cheeters hackers or scripters. everybody knows pc gamers cheat out the bum and thats why consoles are better and why halo shouldn't ever never come to the pc.

Yeah consoles are sooo much better, that is why the next gen consoles PS4 / XBOX 720 are going to use off the shelf PC componets.

[Thorqemada]

Dont say anything bad about consoles - my Mattel Intellivision was great for its time and i loved Tripple Action, Sea Battle etc.
http://www.intellivisionlives.com/

PS: I never bought another console - the Mattel was on a throw out Sale for 35$.

Edited by Thorqemada, 28 February 2013 - 11:12 PM.

[Helbourne]

I remember playing Dungeons and Dragons on the Intellivision.

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Helbourne, on 28 February 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

Yeah consoles are sooo much better, that is why the next gen consoles PS4 / XBOX 720 are going to use off the shelf PC componets.

then why do they look so much better, and control so much better on consoles hmm? it's because they're custom made just for consoles to be much better that's why.

[Ivanzypher]

I really don't think the game is that bad for newbies. Back in closed beta when I started, before cadet bonus, I didn't really struggle. A few matches of wobbling around trying to find where I'm pointing, then I was set. Never played any other mech games before in my life(although I am now correcting that). It's certainly a lot easier to get into than say, DOTA 2, CS:S, or even WoT. It's a rather simple game really. Aside from the odd batch of bad trial mechs, I really don't see the problem. Sure a tutorial would be nice, but even without, it's not hard to have a quick gander at the keybinds to figure out whats what.

[Roughneck45]

Ivanzypher, on 01 March 2013 - 06:07 AM, said:

It's a rather simple game really.

It is.

The problem is that there is nothing to teach the new players the basics. It is not difficult to understand at all, but it is different enough from just about every game out there that it will not be intuative for someone that has never touched a MW game before.

Edited by Roughneck45, 01 March 2013 - 06:15 AM.

[ciller]

I worked hard from a new rookie pilot that was running into walls and didn't have a clue to, what I hope, is a great pilot that pulls more then his tonnage in a drop.
I do not believe people need to be given an easy ride to the top because working to get there yourself brings far more satisfaction while developing the necessary skills to fully utilize the unlocks you have achieved.

Why do you deserve a hand out when I put hard work in to get to the same place? That is my question.

Edited by ciller, 01 March 2013 - 06:16 AM.