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[SlXSlXSlX]

Sometimes people make good arguments.

Those posts, I respond to. Yours.... not one of them.

Edited by SlXSlXSlX, 26 February 2013 - 11:16 AM.

[Doc Holliday]

SlXSlXSlX, on 26 February 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

Sometimes people make good arguments.

Those posts, I respond to. Yours.... not one of them.

You, on the other hand, don't make any kind of arguments at all. You do a lot of incoherent babbling and trying to sound like you have a clue about anything.

I honestly don't get why you even bother posting. Do you just get that much pleasure from trolling, or are you actually so ignorant and deluded as to think the drivel you post is an actual contribution? I honestly can't tell. If you really are just trolling, then kudos to you, you got me and lots of others, and are one of the best I've ever seen at it. If not... well... there's no words for that.

Edited by Doc Holliday, 26 February 2013 - 12:00 PM.

[Wildstreak]

SlXSlXSlX, you're still ignored for failing to argue the subject.

Accusing someone of attacking you is a well known bogus statement put forth by people who initiated the conflict as your quoted posts show.

There never was a Missile Warrior Online. Yes, I looked up those threads form back when, 99% complaints about OP with no analysis or solutions, 1% partial data. Lot of wasted posting and complete failure by people to understand what a BETA is or how to handle it. Lots of wasted posting and complete failure to properly fix anything regarding LRMs.

There clearly is effort to turn this game into ECM War Online. I didn’t sign up for that. I am not interested in sitting in a Mech spamming EW back and forth, that is like sitting at a computer spamming pictures with messages on them back and forth. If I or anyone else wanted that, we already have Forums, Facebook and various other ways to do that. SturmWealth’s mention of optional rules to support ECM currently is bogus, optional rules are optional for a reason, they are too advanced for most people and are NEVER made a part of mandatory rules. Making optional rules mandatory is a big mistake. Basic Game Design 101.

Clearly some posters here never saw the video explaining why assumptions being posted about players who do not post should not be made. Those players do not play that much, a good number of them don’t stick around and never say why here though I have seen the reasons why elsewhere. I have played games that provide data that proves this, closest here is the recent contest held this weekend ranking people. I did not play anywhere near as many games as the top ranked people yet my standing started around #25,000 but ended about #5000. How did I go up 20,000 ranks if I didn’t play much? Because a lot of people that signed up played even less than I did. Conclusion, people who don’t post are not playing much part of that reason is the game still has problems including ECM (it’s BETA sillies), you cannot assume they have no problems with ECM Stealth, that is just plain arrogance and ignoring the time proven lesson about assuming. Adding more ECM on top of ECM problems that exist just makes it worse.

I know what makes a BattleTech and MechWarrior game good including shooters. I played previous MechWarrior titles including all three MechWarrior 2, rated the best MW so far. In MW2, we had LRM-boats and no ECM Stealth. According to supporters of ECM Stealth the game should have been OP in favor of LRM boats but it was not, should ask why that was and still is true but they refuse to face reality.

There do seem to be problems I have seen regarding LRMs that still persist to this day, other potential problems require unasked questions to be answered. Since these problems and potential problems persist, ECM Stealth fixed nothing.

Not only have I spent time playing and testing TT and computer versions of BT including MW titles, I also have spent years playing and testing various other games and, in my professional career, did troubleshooting of several industries, From all those years of experience, I know as do others there is specific methodology that must be followed to fix problems like those regarding LRMs. Since the proper methods will not be used, correct fixes will not be done and this game will de-evolve into EWO. I have no choice but to give this a negative review to anyone I meet and in print, MechWarrior is not ECM War Online.

In addition, I have been playing MWO before ECM Stealth was added, not once did I see this 'massive' problem with LRM boats. I even ran an LRM boat on the AWS-8R shooting 90 missiles and not once did I see myself having this overwhelming advantage, I actually saw people employ the game legal counters that did not require ECM Stealth and beat me, part of why I stopped boating LRMs, skilled players who knew how to beat LRM boats. ECM Stealth fans are not skilled players.

[Joseph Mallan]

SlXSlXSlX, on 26 February 2013 - 06:26 AM, said:

I see doc and mallon creeping in my thread. Are you two ready to counterpost, or did you just tag live in to pick up where you fell off?

Who's Mallon?

[Koshirou]

SlXSlXSlX, on 26 February 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

Sometimes people make good arguments.

Those posts, I respond to. Yours.... not one of them.

Your recent posting history unfortunately does not provide any example of such an exchange. Could you point us to one? It would be enlightening to see what you consider a "good argument" worthy of your time.

[Helbourne]

For starters, ECM in MWO does too much for its size and weight compared to the TT version. One thing TAG should always work, not just outside the ECM bubble. You should be able to still target mechs inside the ECM bubble. You should be able to press 'r' and get the red box to appear around the target and gather info on the target. I am not saying you get missle locks, but you should still be able to target as long as you have LOS. You should be able to share target info to friendly mechs that have LOS with you as long as they are not inside the ECM bubble. The big point is, ECM does nothing to stop info gathering from targets while you have LOS (line of sight).

Now if they put in the Null Signature System, that would prevent you from getting the red target box on your HUD. That would also stop you from seeing them with heat vision mode. It would however take up a crit slot in every location except for the head.

Bottom line, the current ECM does too much for its size and weight. It needs to weigh more and take up a lot more crit space.

[Abivard]

Funny how many of you decry in others the slightest hint of the very same tactics you use constantly. But of course when you use them it is from a smug self-induced sense of superiority, but to most of us you come across as a bunch of ignorant, clueless whiney kids
. Any attempt to present any view that doesn't fall in line with yours are attacked by multiple trolls accusing their dissenters of everything under the sun and some that never see daylight,they then commonly act obtuse as a Rock, seem incapable of understanding anything unless they are led by the hand in a step by step process. They can't even figure out which replies are for them and which for another. Truth has no relationship or bearing on their reality, when you catch them in a lie they just have their buddy post a straw man argument to deflect it.

But like I said, y'alls funny as heck.

[DocBach]

Abivard, on 26 February 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

Funny how many of you decry in others the slightest hint of the very same tactics you use constantly. But of course when you use them it is from a smug self-induced sense of superiority, but to most of us you come across as a bunch of ignorant, clueless whiney kids
. Any attempt to present any view that doesn't fall in line with yours are attacked by multiple trolls accusing their dissenters of everything under the sun and some that never see daylight,they then commonly act obtuse as a Rock, seem incapable of understanding anything unless they are led by the hand in a step by step process. They can't even figure out which replies are for them and which for another. Truth has no relationship or bearing on their reality, when you catch them in a lie they just have their buddy post a straw man argument to deflect it.

But like I said, y'alls funny as heck.

Do you live in like, Bizzaro Land where everything is backwards?

....Because you pretty much described yourself in dealing with a bunch of people with well reasoned, articulated points that were having pretty civil discussion, before you came down with your "learn to play tic tac toe" tirade.

[Doc Holliday]

Abivard, on 26 February 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

Funny how many of you decry in others the slightest hint of the very same tactics you use constantly. But of course when you use them it is from a smug self-induced sense of superiority, but to most of us you come across as a bunch of ignorant, clueless whiney kids
. Any attempt to present any view that doesn't fall in line with yours are attacked by multiple trolls accusing their dissenters of everything under the sun and some that never see daylight,they then commonly act obtuse as a Rock, seem incapable of understanding anything unless they are led by the hand in a step by step process. They can't even figure out which replies are for them and which for another. Truth has no relationship or bearing on their reality, when you catch them in a lie they just have their buddy post a straw man argument to deflect it.

But like I said, y'alls funny as heck.

Let me make it real simple for you. Sometimes things are so obvious they need no explanation. And in those cases, if you persist in denying it, it's because you're either willfully ignorant, or you're too bloody stupid to figure out anything on your own.

ECM being too powerful right now is one of those things.

[Nathan Bloodguard]

My quick advise. Add in ECCM and make available to all mechs, removing the counter mode to the original ecm. (ECCM is electronic counter-counter measures.)

The more pratical solution would be to have it do what it does in TT and Lore for a guardian ECM system, combined with ECCM. Oh and make ECM effect friends and foes alike (just like in Lore, not sure about that in TT though).

Edited by Nathan Bloodguard, 04 March 2013 - 03:38 PM.