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[SlXSlXSlX]

KinLuu, on 25 February 2013 - 05:14 AM, said:

You did not complain when I carried you though.

I feel the MM should be more restrictive when pairing up players of different Elo ratings. There should be a maximum allowed difference.

Problem with that is, the golds, (the bad evil pub farming kind, by far not all of them), hate to wait. They want their pub stomp, and they want it now.. When they dont get it, they make threads decrying PGI as terribad, that they are quitting, and how elo should be removed.

But I agree that more balance, is always a better thing. Hope we can find a comfortable middle ground, that does not prompt a tsunami of glden tears.

Svenz, on 25 February 2013 - 05:32 AM, said:

For one i am fine with losing, to get to equally (un)skilled players like me....
Slowly improving....
That's the way to play....
And I play this game for THE FUN....i really can not care less if my k/d ir 0.2

P.s. I'm not horrible player, but i tend to act as a breach charge of sorts in many games

My first accnt, which i played for 3 weeks i think, SLXSLXSLX, sits around a .23 KDR. I know how you feel. It is not about the stats for many, not just you. Glad you are having fun.

[Mercules]

Hey look SIXSIXSIX still doesn't realize here isn't enough data in Elo for accurate matching to take place so his "theories" are unsupported by anything.

[SlXSlXSlX]

My first hand experience tells me there is more balance, and a ton of other players have posted the same. Discount all you want, but we know balance when we see it, and its here. Elaine, is gorgeous.

[C E Dwyer]

Arcadian Xero, on 23 February 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Took your advice... made an alt account and am having a blast with my trial Atlas... Sadly I made it into the upper ELO brackets and all the cheese is starting to show up...

Let me tell you though... You were right about a lot of 4 man pilots being GARBAGE lol. It's a sad sad day when a trial Atlas accounts for 4 of the teams kills, and tops the score board against a 4 man. Lol'z were had.

However now that I am seeing all those optimal builds I am going to let my Elo rating tank and go back to the fun games... Where there is variety, and I can relax, and take off my try hard pants.

Hard and pants, should not be used in the same sentance..

Edit:

On a Serious note, ELO is likely to be one of the things that saves this games longevity, not any fun trying to learn which way is up, as a newbie, only to be wiped 20 seconds later, that experience is only going to end in this game sucks I'll go play WoT.

Its not perfect it has flaws, lots of them, infact, but this weekend has had me playing 3 days straight, unlike when I bought the access, to closed beta..

I still don't think WMO should be open beta though...still to much missing..

Edited by Cathy, 25 February 2013 - 09:34 AM.

[Mercules]

SlXSlXSlX, on 25 February 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:

My first hand experience tells me there is more balance, and a ton of other players have posted the same. Discount all you want, but we know balance when we see it, and its here. Elaine, is gorgeous.

Your anecdotal non-scientific biased opinion tells you? Awesome... you still can't name your thread "Truth about" without lying to yourself and others.

Yes, Elo appears to be doing something different than what was happening before. Determining if it is generating more balanced matches when the people implementing it are stating it doesn't have enough data yet to function fully is going to be impossible.

[Kraven Kor]

Is it because I am terrible at life?

*Reads thread.*

Yup. It's because I'm terrible at life.

[mattkachu]

SlXSlXSlX, on 25 February 2013 - 04:50 AM, said:

I accept that challenge. Tags it is!

(Someday well have an arena, and challenges such as this will be a reality. Hopefully we can settle E-arguments, and do so for pink slips. How else could I possibly get my hands on your a founders Atlas...

We all know the best founder is the 4G. 3 MG's, 2 TAGs, and a head flamer. 2k dmg+ every round. King of duels

[SlXSlXSlX]

Mercules, on 25 February 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

Your anecdotal non-scientific biased opinion tells you? Awesome... you still can't name your thread "Truth about" without lying to yourself and others.

Yes, Elo appears to be doing something different than what was happening before. Determining if it is generating more balanced matches when the people implementing it are stating it doesn't have enough data yet to function fully is going to be impossible.

Sounds like Elaine changed your gaming exp., for the worse. So I wonder which category you fall into...

The ardent pubber

The stat farmer who cant handle being weighted based on his fluffed stats

Or the pro who has good stats, and still kicks butt, bc he really is "that good".

Hmmmmm.

Edited by SlXSlXSlX, 25 February 2013 - 09:35 AM.

[Kaeb Odellas]

My Elo experience has largely consisted of dropping against steadily increasing hordes of Raven 3Ls, Splat cats, AC20 cats, and hordes of assault mechs with little to no weight balancing involved. What that's telling me is that the Elo system favors people who run around in stupid cheese builds because they can't pilot anything else.

[SlXSlXSlX]

Kaeb Odellas, on 25 February 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

My Elo experience has largely consisted of dropping against steadily increasing hordes of Raven 3Ls, Splat cats, AC20 cats, and hordes of assault mechs with little to no weight balancing involved. What that's telling me is that the Elo system favors people who run around in stupid cheese builds because they can't pilot anything else.

And there have been hordes of threads, pre elo, complaining about vsing the same builds in sets of 4, and how it is unfair. Alot of stat padders replied with "L2P". I am not going ot tell you to "L2P" but it seems your breaking into the upper echelons of skill there, sorry you don't enjoy it.. I hope you can step up your game, wil be my reply. Makes me think you dont play 8 man either.

May I suggest an alt?

Edited by SlXSlXSlX, 25 February 2013 - 09:42 AM.

[KinLuu]

In every game with elo, you can only play the competitive stuff once you reach higher elo.
It is no different in games like LoL for example.

[exbuzz]

I only started playing a few days ago, so I don't really notice anything, but I think the introduction of ELO without a total stat wipe is very flawed. Im guessing some people have hundreds/thousands of games, their stats will take insanely long to equalize to the proper elo, and it not only effects them but effects the results of the entire elo system, poluting everyone's stats.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Don't give me that patronizing BS. I've been playing this since July. I know how to play this [gosh-darned] game.

What I'm not doing is piloting these ridiculous cheese builds and exacerbating the problem. It's not about running "competitive" stuff. These things are simply broken. ECM is broken. Streaks and ECM flip the light v. light game completely in favor of 3Ls and 2Ds (but mostly 3Ls). Removing collision removed much of the skill from piloting fast mechs, since you're not only no longer punished for tackling heavies, but it's practically encouraged since you warp right through them half the time. Ever since open beta, the quality of the game has steadily plummeted. Now there have been some great patches (Feb 5 was fantastic), but there have also been a lot of really bad ones. This one is looking to be one of the latter.

This new Elo system isn't helping one bit. All it's doing is delaying the cheese while making it almost mandatory, which I will not partake in.

I will not join the flocks of Ravens or herds of Splatcats or whatever FOTM builds abound. I didn't spend half the per capita GDP of an impoverished African nation on "RavenWarrior: Online", or "SplatcatWarrior: Online", or "ECMWarrior: Online", or "AssaultMech: Online". And I didn't spend all that cash just to run an alt to stomp on newbies all day. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Edited by Kaeb Odellas, 25 February 2013 - 10:19 AM.

[Mercules]

SlXSlXSlX, on 25 February 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

Sounds like Elaine changed your gaming exp., for the worse. So I wonder which category you fall into...

The ardent pubber

The stat farmer who cant handle being weighted based on his fluffed stats

Or the pro who has good stats, and still kicks butt, bc he really is "that good".

Hmmmmm.

Sounds like you are trying to insult me without knowing a single thing and imply I don't like Elo. I tell the people complaining about Elo the same as those trying to claim it is perfect. You can't possibly know yet because it is only functioning at a limited level. Wait a few months and then see how it is matching everyone.

Just so you know, My experience under Elo has been neither good nor bad. My K/D ration has grown a bit even over the weekend as has my win/loss ratio. I am not any of those listed above. I PUGged and played with friends in teams before Elo, during the initial gathering of data for Elo, and still. I do fine in all ways and enjoy my games.

All I am saying is that if you think Elo is function yet, good or bad, you are mistaken. It will take more data and that means more games which take time. Give it a month before you say it is or is not working, okay?

[Joseph Mallan]

Let me tell you what I learned about My skills that Elo may be missing. My win/loss is directly influenced by my team. As a Lawman I have a Win/Loss just over 60%. As a PUG this weekend I have a 45% win percentage. As a Lawman I have a K/D Ratio of 1.38 as a PUG It stayed at 1.37. Player ability (K/D) is not tied to Win/Loss.

[Bubba Wilkins]

Joseph Mallan, on 25 February 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:

Let me tell you what I learned about My skills that Elo may be missing. My win/loss is directly influenced by my team. As a Lawman I have a Win/Loss just over 60%. As a PUG this weekend I have a 45% win percentage. As a Lawman I have a K/D Ratio of 1.38 as a PUG It stayed at 1.37. Player ability (K/D) is not tied to Win/Loss.

K/D isn't really a good indicator either since play-style across different chassis and roles results in different rates of K/D.

A brawler Assault is going to have a lower K/D than an LRM based Catapult.

[silentD11]

Kaeb Odellas, on 25 February 2013 - 10:18 AM, said:

Don't give me that patronizing BS. I've been playing this since July. I know how to play this [gosh-darned] game.

What I'm not doing is piloting these ridiculous cheese builds and exacerbating the problem. It's not about running "competitive" stuff. These things are simply broken. ECM is broken. Streaks and ECM flip the light v. light game completely in favor of 3Ls and 2Ds (but mostly 3Ls). Removing collision removed much of the skill from piloting fast mechs, since you're not only no longer punished for tackling heavies, but it's practically encouraged since you warp right through them half the time. Ever since open beta, the quality of the game has steadily plummeted. Now there have been some great patches (Feb 5 was fantastic), but there have also been a lot of really bad ones. This one is looking to be one of the latter.

This new Elo system isn't helping one bit. All it's doing is delaying the cheese while making it almost mandatory, which I will not partake in.

I will not join the flocks of Ravens or herds of Splatcats or whatever FOTM builds abound. I didn't spend half the per capita GDP of an impoverished African nation on "RavenWarrior: Online", or "SplatcatWarrior: Online", or "ECMWarrior: Online", or "AssaultMech: Online". And I didn't spend all that cash just to run an alt to stomp on newbies all day. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Well since you've been playing since July you should know that prior to ECM there were other builds that everyone ran. This game has never been at a point where a handful of builds, weapons, whatever didn't completely outclass everything else and those who knew what they were ran them. We can roll back to any point in the games history since closed beta and there was always something (gausscats, streak cats, lag shields, 128kph hunch backs, LRM boats) that was being screamed about.

Things have actually improved in most aspects. From frame rate, reducing lag shields, making more weapons viable, it's all become much better. The one main gripe, ECM, was something that actually somewhat fixed the issue of "streaks and LRMs, as much as you can, always hit, soooo easy" which would come roaring back if you got rid of ECM.

Given that other things were slowly fixed by buffing (balastics, ppcs, larger lasers), fixed by removing the bugs (lag shield), or flat out hard countered because they were out of hand (SSRMS, LRMS) there's reason to believe that ECM will eventually be fixed along the same lines. Most things have been.

ECM is a bit heavy handed in that while it helped bring SSRMS and LRMS back into a non abusive manner, it had all sorts of secondary impacts that skew things, but it's still better than where things were before (unless you ran nothing but SSRMS and LRMS in which case shut up). We also know that collisions are coming back, but let's not forget the issue of dragons being run like bowling balls to the point where you could pin someone on the ground eternally.

[Novakaine]

Smurfin - The turning of a perfectly exciting game in a plain vanilla casual game.
Casual Mechwarrior Online.

[Kylere]

I did not compete, oddly enough in my 33 or so matches this weekend I saw Husker nine times (often enough that I got lazy about calling him a cylon spy) I have to think the matchmaker is completely failing or for some reason it kept making me play people on the leaderboards. Just saying that the matchmaker is valueless or I place a lot higher as a player than I thought I would.

I am willing to bet on the former over the latter.

[Mercules]

Kylere, on 25 February 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

Just saying that the matchmaker is valueless or I place a lot higher as a player than I thought I would.

I am willing to bet on the former over the latter.

You are correct, but it will change as it gains data to work from....
http://mwomercs.com/...-making-update/