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[KharnZor]

I like having to work for my kills.

[SlXSlXSlX]

KharnZor, on 24 February 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

I like having to work for my kills.

Back off Kharn, Elaine is my girl.

[KharnZor]

SlXSlXSlX, on 24 February 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

Back off Kharn, Elaine is my girl.

You can have her but you know you cant be around her all the time

[SlXSlXSlX]

KharnZor, on 24 February 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

You can have her but you know you cant be around her all the time

I will fight you for her in the Solaris Arena. You can choose one weapon. I'll be choosing tag.

[SlXSlXSlX]

StrongHarm, on 24 February 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

I just started playing, and in every match I'm dropped into a team of tactically re tarded people who scatter and, are in-turn, decimated.

You should have been here 2 weeks ago, when you would drop with the same teamamtes you just described, but be vs'ing comstars elite, cant win in 8 mans, atlas brigades.

[Mechsniper]

In your noob fury , you failed to hear that if you want to drop an 8, you will be wasting quite a bit of time at the moment. therefore, many clans/corps are not bothering, including ours. Second. We do well in our 4 mans, even when against 2 other 4 mans. 3rd you obviously failed as a pug, and love the ELO because you now are doing good. sooo, you do well in a pug match when grouped with 7 noobs. I love it. My rounds I do 600-800 damage and still lose are my fault. K .. Done with this troll, can't wait to see your mech in my sights.

[Zylo]

Running more matches in a group today I have noticed very small changes related to Elo:

I'm scoring more kills for each death (K/D slowly increasing), W/L ratio is holding around 73% and matches don't always have balanced teams in terms of weight.

I also don't mind the occasional solo drops since things feel pretty balanced for both group and solo play. The weight differences probably hurt solo players a bit more than group players as those group players with 8-man drop experience are already used to weight mismatches between teams.

I think overall the Elo system is starting to work better as player ratings adjust and match their actual skill levels. As a mostly group player (8-man as well as small group) I really don't have any complaints about the Elo system other than wanting weight matching to be a slightly higher priority. Now that I'm used to playing 4-man drops knowing weights on the enemy team may be different I don't mind it so much though.

[Jerous]

I do just fine, both before ELO and after. In fact I've not bothered to look at my stats for a month or two, cause I don't care.

[Redacted]

Edited by Egomane, 25 February 2013 - 06:12 AM.
Removed offensive content

[SlXSlXSlX]

Jerous, on 24 February 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

I do just fine, both before ELO and after. In fact I've not bothered to look at my stats for a month or two, cause I don't care.

[Redacted]

Thats a pretty offensive picture man, even to me.

And you think my attitudes bad.

Mechsniper, on 24 February 2013 - 06:46 PM, said:

In your noob fury , you failed to hear that if you want to drop an 8, you will be wasting quite a bit of time at the moment. therefore, many clans/corps are not bothering, including ours. Second. We do well in our 4 mans, even when against 2 other 4 mans. 3rd you obviously failed as a pug, and love the ELO because you now are doing good. sooo, you do well in a pug match when grouped with 7 noobs. I love it. My rounds I do 600-800 damage and still lose are my fault. K .. Done with this troll, can't wait to see your mech in my sights.

http://mwomercs.com/...lt-with-no-ecm/

You sir, are not very polite. Quit being a poor sport.

Edited by Egomane, 25 February 2013 - 06:13 AM.
Cleaned up quote

[Glythe]

SlXSlXSlX, on 23 February 2013 - 01:51 AM, said:

Let me break it down for you.

The real problem is that the game doesn't separate players by ELO. Everyone should know their score so they know what type of game their friends will put them into. Blackbook operations always raise questions. People prefer honesty and clarity.

You should NEVER have 1300 ranked players with 2100 ranked players. And yet it still happens.

Rank 1300 players should only play with similar ranks with a 100-200 point variance (depending on depth of player base). Rank 1500 players should play with 100-200 rank up or down (and so on and so forth). Place groups based on the highest rank player's bracket (but still try to match as best as possible). If you show everyone their score there is no mystery about how people are placed.

And then you have pros playing with pros and amateurs with amateurs. Someone who has real skill will surge forth and those who have been milking the system will sink like a stone.

[SlXSlXSlX]

Glythe, on 24 February 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

The real problem is that the game doesn't separate players by ELO. Everyone should know their score so they know what type of game their friends will put them into. Blackbook operations always raise questions. People prefer honesty and clarity.

You should NEVER have 1300 ranked players with 2100 ranked players. And yet it still happens.

Rank 1300 players should only play with similar ranks with a 100-200 point variance (depending on depth of player base). Rank 1500 players should play with 100-200 rank up or down (and so on and so forth). Place groups based on the highest rank player's bracket (but still try to match as best as possible). If you show everyone their score there is no mystery about how people are placed.

And then you have pros playing with pros and amateurs with amateurs. Someone who has real skill will surge forth and those who have been milking the system will sink like a stone.

Cant tell if you agree or disagree. But you certainly didnt assert that it was better b4 w no MM (Maggie) than it is not with Maggie and Elaine (ELO), nor could anyone successfully I assert.

And as for pairing 1300, w 700, w 2100, I say its fine as long as it adds up to roughly equal. Did you miss my analogy from WoT where 3 purples and 12 reds had a great game versus 15 yellows?

Thats basicly 3 1700+ guys, 12 900- guys... vs 15 1200ish guys. And it was a close, and incredibly fun match. came down to two tanks, our last red vs their last and very wounded yellow. Our red barely killed him, but wala, it ended up being a close and awesome match.

Nothing wrong with pairing wildly diff skillsets, as long as the result is balance. Heck, maybe those low ranking mechers, could learn by watching the super elites they ended up being paired with.

If you want just 2100s vs 2100s... go to teh 8 man queue, and quit expecting it in pub matches. What youll get in pub matches will never be 2100s versus 2100s, and I fear what you all want is 2100s, versus 1200-, but where teh weight matches up. That way you can tell them to l2p, and pat yourselves on the back saying "see how pro I am".

Keep this up and your really gonna phiss Elaine off.

[StrongHarm]

You give yourself far too much credit 'triple six'. What you do isn't intelligent debate.. you're just trolling.

I know this may be a foreign concept to you, but I'm not the kind of man who would cower behind a façade. This is my only account. My insight into game mechanics doesn't come from being a founder. I've just started playing MWO.. but I've been assisting in testing and betas since the 90s. Look the callsign up, you'll find it in the credits of several MMOs and Simulations.

To my previous statements; do you think of yourself as a man of honor? Is that a concept you believe in or does it make you feel anger and defiance? If you're a young American, why not set aside the games and go learn something of honor in the United States Military? I promise you that blowing stuff up in real life is MUCH more fun. Seriously asking yourself these questions may be a step in the right direction.

More free advice... best of luck.

SlXSlXSlX, on 24 February 2013 - 01:15 PM, said:

Strong Id be happy to argue with you. Go get your founder account and post your argument under your original name, and we can talk turkey. I love to argue.

StrongHarm, on 24 February 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

Your argument is that I'm an imposter? Your intellect is reflected by your call sign. A man (or boy?) of no honor will assume that others have their same lack of integrity, then question the honor of the speaker before even attempting to consider their point. They then find some accusation to redirect the conversation and relieve themselves of the burden of actual rational thought.

What you fail to realize is that my statement is not an argument but an observation and that you, my sad sad friend, are of no value or consequence to my observations. Do yourself a favor and be silent when you have nothing of value to contribute.
This priceless advice is free, 'tripple six'.

[Teralitha]

SlXSlXSlX, on 24 February 2013 - 01:15 PM, said:

Strong Id be happy to argue with you. Go get your founder account and post your argument under your original name, and we can talk turkey. I love to argue.

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This is really jsut a explaination for the guys who cant understand why pre ELO they won 4 out of 5 matches, and win alot less now. There are exceptions. Some pros still win that much. I would tell them to get their happy ***es into the 8 man queue, but I wont argue they are bad. No where in here did I say everyone running in 4 mans is bad. Maybe you missed post 3ish.

I will say that when you have the tools available to run 8 mans... see comstars droves of 4 mans, but instead choose to play verse randoms while enjoying the benefits of better teamamtes you brought, better mechs bc youve played longer, etc etc. that there is a number of factors that contribute to your sweet stats. ELO matches based on numbers, not assumption you do, or do not, pad stats. So when I see people crying that ELO is broken, or that all pubs are terrible, I feel someone needs to set them straight.

My fuel comes from the past 2 months of seeing 4 mans of ravens/atlas's, 4 man teams, rolling over everyone, taunting and berrating as they type l2p and such, and from seeing my own friends quickly turn away.

To me, they kill pubbers fun, avoid the good fights in 8 mans, reduce community growth which hurts everyone, all for their personal enjoyment.

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In short, they are poor sports. It is selfish. They couldn't hack it in 8 mans so they ran away crying it is too boring. Sorry, pro v pro is very slow, methodical and in some ways, boring. Thats your end game. When it comes time for clan wars you will look at ATC for 2-3 hours before each match, run 2-3 simulation matches w your strat, and then have one 15 minute match, where the majority of the fighting will all occur in 2 minutes. By and large, it can be boring, but it can also be very satisfying when it all comes together.
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Accept that. That you want to take pro players, verse random pubs of lesser skill, avoid other pros w OP builds in 8 mans, but make the new players face your OP builds in pub matches, and do so without any assemblance of a match maker is offensive. It offends the intellect of everyone to whom you proffer you pro stat padding blather. All these advantages make you look like statistic gods, and so ELO treats you like one, but you cant hack it when those same people you avoided in the 8 man queue are paired versus you in a pub match.

Dont blame the formula. Dont blame the system. Blame yourself.

Alright you convinced me...

I myself do have the ability to play in 8 man premades, but I dont because of how ECM disrupts pure tactical decision making. Nothing to do with winning or losing. Once ECM gets the nerf it needs, I will play 8 man premades again...

[SlXSlXSlX]

When I first posted, I was accused of the same. Trace back my posts and youll see this is 100% true. Until a founder said, no, i saw him playing, he jsut dies alot and is to oaggressive, something to that extent, everything I said was shut down by, your a fraud, get your main.

I was accused of being an alt of Vassago Rain.

That said you dfinately dont type like a new player, making his first post. Ifit looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it probably is. I know I was the exception, and perhaps you are too, but its pretty reasonable to assume you a founder, posting on his alt.

Ill jsut assume your legit. If youd like to argue, I will oblige you. But before you do, feel free to scope out my start on these forums, the thread is/was called "your killing yourself" I believe. It, and most of my threads, have kindly been relocated to Jettisoned communications. I never go there, and hope those threads are doing well.

So what shall we discuss?

[Zakie Chan]

Zylo, on 24 February 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

Running more matches in a group today I have noticed very small changes related to Elo:

I'm scoring more kills for each death (K/D slowly increasing), W/L ratio is holding around 73% and matches don't always have balanced teams in terms of weight.

I also don't mind the occasional solo drops since things feel pretty balanced for both group and solo play. The weight differences probably hurt solo players a bit more than group players as those group players with 8-man drop experience are already used to weight mismatches between teams.

I think overall the Elo system is starting to work better as player ratings adjust and match their actual skill levels. As a mostly group player (8-man as well as small group) I really don't have any complaints about the Elo system other than wanting weight matching to be a slightly higher priority. Now that I'm used to playing 4-man drops knowing weights on the enemy team may be different I don't mind it so much though.

Solid post, a like didnt justify how much i agree. This is 99% exactly how i've found it.

(1% to be different)

[SlXSlXSlX]

Teralitha, on 24 February 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

Alright you convinced me...

I myself do have the ability to play in 8 man premades, but I dont because of how ECM disrupts pure tactical decision making. Nothing to do with winning or losing. Once ECM gets the nerf it needs, I will play 8 man premades again...

Wow. If i convert even one four man player to teh 8 man queue, i feel ive won the internets...

You jsut made my day. As for the ecm thing, I myself am marginally changing my tune on that as well. I dont like seeing a 4 man of DDCs w ECM or Ravens w ECM, all a premade, face rolling ronnie random either. Sometimes im that ronnie random. Even though I have learned to play in this elo world, does not mean they have, and it hurts to watch them mangled.

You can thank Sturm for getting me to think about things. I hope the ecm issue is resolved to the point where you play in teh 8 man queue. If you are pro, its where you belong.

[mattkachu]

Sick of OP.
I challenge sixsixsix to a duel. Pistols TAGs @ dawn

[SlXSlXSlX]

mattkachu, on 24 February 2013 - 11:02 PM, said:

Sick of OP.
I challenge sixsixsix to a duel. Pistols TAGs @ dawn

I accept that challenge. Tags it is!

(Someday well have an arena, and challenges such as this will be a reality. Hopefully we can settle E-arguments, and do so for pink slips. How else could I possibly get my hands on your a founders Atlas...

[KinLuu]

KharnZor, on 24 February 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

I like having to work for my kills.

You did not complain when I carried you though.

I feel the MM should be more restrictive when pairing up players of different Elo ratings. There should be a maximum allowed difference.

[Svenz]

For one i am fine with losing, to get to equally (un)skilled players like me....
Slowly improving....
That's the way to play....
And I play this game for THE FUN....i really can not care less if my k/d ir 0.2

P.s. I'm not horrible player, but i tend to act as a breach charge of sorts in many games