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[Valorcalls]

Simple question.

I personally like R&R for the sheer virtue of it limited the number of assault mechs in a game.

It made me (primarily medium) happy to be able to run around and not have to worry about running into a large group of Atlas and getting bent over.

I honestly do not want everyone and their stepchild to voice their opinion, just vote and keep it short.

[blinkin]

i will just link the opinions i have already posted.

tldr: i agree
http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1

[Vechs]

Balancing the game with content unlock currency was a terrible idea, and I'm quite happy it's gone.

May it never return.

If they want to implement gameplay currency (Battle Value, Planetary Resources, etc.) in Community Warfare, I'm all for that, and have many ideas with what they could do.

But the content unlock currency (CBills) need to be divorced from gameplay and game balance.

[Stormwolf]

I really want R&R to come back.

Even better yet, I want to introduce maintenance costs and faction income in addition to it.
Faction income should be enough to maintain a stock AS7-K. Maintenance should be derived from the components that a mech has and if it was customized before.

Custom rides should have a maintenance/repair cost increase due to non-standard parts and reduced quality.

[Deathlike]

IIRC, there was a dev post that it wouldn't come back, due to abuse for various reasons. Unless you address the abuses in detail, it's not happening.

Reference:
http://mwomercs.com/...evs-31-answers/

Search for "repair" in the thread.

Edited by Deathlike, 26 February 2013 - 01:08 AM.

[FerrolupisXIII]

it was really sad that some people just got bent over to have their wallets ***** every time they played a match *cough cough Artemis cough* while the guy with all energy just raked in the doe. before they took R&R out i played a Raven 3L to grind C-bills for the at the time new Stalker Chassis. i HATED it (i get horrid FPS so lights are nearly impossible to pilot) but it was the only way i could actually make money in a reasonable fashion. (i like LRM's and always have, and Artemis made them THE most expensive weapon to run, even without Artemis. with Artemis, forget it) so i was understandably glad to see it go.

However, i think with some reworks it was a reasonable and important part of the game. there is now no reason to play smart, just bull rush and slug it out. previously serious damage was serious C-bill reduction. now, who cares!

[kiltymonroe]

Ammo costs can stay gone, but I'd like to see repair costs as a deduction from your after-match pay, and not able to exceed, say, 50%. Balance it out by hiking the pay rewards dramatically for kills, assists, and damage dealt only, so that players can't simply hang back to keep their armor pristine and reap the rewards of their teammates' work.

[Zerstorer Stallin]

kiltymonroe, on 26 February 2013 - 02:42 AM, said:

Ammo costs can stay gone, but I'd like to see repair costs as a deduction from your after-match pay, and not able to exceed, say, 50%. Balance it out by hiking the pay rewards dramatically for kills, assists, and damage dealt only, so that players can't simply hang back to keep their armor pristine and reap the rewards of their teammates' work.

I voted I dont know, mostly because this is the very system I'd say they need to avoid. Whos going to do more Damage than splat kats and other cheese builds? Who's going to get more assists than a raven 3L? its encourages the already crap problems we have to deal with now. I will say I'm in favor of something that would limit the push back to heavy assaults we've seen but I dont know how to do myself. Any good suggestions are welcome.

[Stormwolf]

I feel that R&R should be retooled to fit the factions.

Houses should have cheaper repairs on faction mechs for instance.

[blinkin]

Zerstorer Stallin, on 26 February 2013 - 02:49 AM, said:

I voted I dont know, mostly because this is the very system I'd say they need to avoid. Whos going to do more Damage than splat kats and other cheese builds? Who's going to get more assists than a raven 3L? its encourages the already crap problems we have to deal with now. I will say I'm in favor of something that would limit the push back to heavy assaults we've seen but I dont know how to do myself. Any good suggestions are welcome.

RR would largely remove splatcats from the game. i pilot one myself. and before with RR if i played poorly i would likely lose money even if my team won.

[Stringburka]

Don't know. (3 votes [18.75%] - View)

Or rather, yes, but not as previously implemented. The most important parts being:
1. You shouldn't lose money of a match
2. The cost shouldn't depend on how much damage you took/if you died in a match.

The first is a deterrent to playing at all, and the second encourages cowardly playing and disconnecting if things start to go badly.

This is how I think it should work, or something close to it: my idea

Edited by Stringburka, 26 February 2013 - 04:33 AM.

[blinkin]

Stringburka, on 26 February 2013 - 03:19 AM, said:

disconnecting if things start to go badly.

in the old days disconnecting meant that your mech got stripped without any recourse from you, and you just got to deal with that bill.

[Fiachdubh]

Yes bring back repair and rearm bills!!

[Stringburka]

blinkin, on 26 February 2013 - 03:25 AM, said:

in the old days disconnecting meant that your mech got stripped without any recourse from you, and you just got to deal with that bill.

Which is very bad in a game with frequent connection issues and heavy crashing problems.
Again, discouraging playing at all.

When MWO crashes for me (about 1/20 games) I go do something else in maybe 50% of cases because I feel "god, that was a waste of time finding a match and playing half of it and then just crashing". If I also took a 80k or whatever bill for it, I'd probably not go back in quite a while. And I know many are like me with that.

When they get up a server in each part of the world and make the game so stable you never have to worry about crashes, that might work. Until then it'll just chase away loads of players that might already be on the edge due to these issues.

[Flapdrol]

Only way to keep it "fair" is to make the cost insignificant, otherwise some mech builds will be restricted to a premium account. And if it's insignificant you might as well not have it at all.

[Stringburka]

Flapdrol, on 26 February 2013 - 03:50 AM, said:

Only way to keep it "fair" is to make the cost insignificant, otherwise some mech builds will be restricted to a premium account. And if it's insignificant you might as well not have it at all.

Agreed to some extent, but I think it can work as long as it's never higher than the match reward.

And trial 'mechs should be completely exempt from R&R. That way we might see more stock 'mechs even among the good players because they're most effective for grind (if you can manage to get good with the stock loadout).

[Beeman]

I feel like this and perhaps other interesting features might make a comeback for community warfare. Really hoping community warfare is a more challenging experience where maybe you have to earn your mechs as well as the right to refit them.

CW, I feel, should be all about the loreplay whereas standard matchmaking is just for casuals, to get them dippin' their toes into the battletech universe.

[FromHell2k]

R&R is gone for good... However, I like the idea to get something like a maintaince if a mech gets torn apart... It could be done through CW, your "fraction" won't give you high amounts of money if your mech gets destroyed every time. You know what I mean?

[jay35]

No, we don't want R&R back, so please stop asking. Every week or two someone asks. The opinions are the same: Most do not want it back and neither does PGI.

Next time, just search for the previous thread and you'll have your answer.

Please stop trying to ruin the game. Thanks

[Flapdrol]

I think we'll get some form of repair and rearm with community warfare.

if we ever get community warfare that is.