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[KharnZor]

Klaus, on 01 March 2013 - 01:18 AM, said:

Do you even play this game?

4 lasers hard points and 2 missile hardpoints+ECM would be exactly what people cried about when they came out with ECM. They didn't want the Jenner-D getting it.

Do i play even play this game? wow you're pretty good.
I personally don't give a damn if you want to fall back onto that but it would be nice if you didn't try the cookie cutter insults. It belittles me,you and anyone else who reads your post.

[Natasha Kerensky]

Burning Chrome, on 28 February 2013 - 07:39 AM, said:

Feh, lame.

Assuming it has missiles...so much for canon.

Could care less what Garth wants or thinks is "cool".

Had a feeling this herp-derp crap was going to happen.

At least the Muromets and Death Knell were somewhat believable and didn't stray too far from the original design. (though a missile-less Commando is odd.)

So what's Randal's excuse...er...fluff going to be for this one?

Lame.

I like the Cicada variants as they are. Maybe it should've been a 3C with ECM (as much as I hate to even suggest using ECM on anything) and with a bigger engine cap for the Hero...since every mech will have one apparently.

HBK-4N would've been a better choice IMO.

Lame.

They have stated in the Ask the Devs that Hero mechs will be both canon and non-canon that they create. This X model is experimental and not canon.

[Drexorn]

I'm actually psyched for this mech. I have an ilya, but this will be my preferred mech of choice. Guess I'm in the minority, but I love my cicadas, and finally getting one with a cbill boost.

[RickySpanish]

KharnZor, on 01 March 2013 - 01:24 AM, said:

Do i play even play this game? wow you're pretty good.
I personally don't give a damn if you want to fall back onto that but it would be nice if you didn't try the cookie cutter insults. It belittles me,you and anyone else who reads your post.

Well you did say that it would be the worst mech in the game bar none, which seems to imply that you've never heard of such turkeys as the Spider 5K, Raven 2X or the Death's Knell. The latter two could be disputed if you were drunk or high, but the first one? Nu-uh. The Spider 5K is without a doubt the most useless mech in the game; it's even head and shoulders below the other Spider variants packing the worst hardpoints, the worst equipment and the worst jump capability of all of them.

[Klaus]

KharnZor, on 01 March 2013 - 01:24 AM, said:

Do i play even play this game? wow you're pretty good.
I personally don't give a damn if you want to fall back onto that but it would be nice if you didn't try the cookie cutter insults. It belittles me,you and anyone else who reads your post.

Why do you even post then if you just makes you look like you never finished highschool on top of NOT ADDING ANYTHING USEFUL TO THE DISCUSSION?

It would be nice if you used proper grammar and made any sense. You belittle yourself.

[Butane9000]

My guess is 3-4 energy hard points and possibly 1-2 Ballistic/Missile hard points. It'd definitely be interesting if hit had jump jets.

[Panzerjotun]

Weapon hardpoints alone are not enough to carry the day. Jump Jets and I will get one for sure.

[Ngamok]

borisof007, on 28 February 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

My guess: 5 laser, 2 missile hardpoints, jumpjets with no ECM.

Too many hard points. Try reducing it to 6.

[Ngamok]

ryoma, on 28 February 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

Nice Straw man.

The actual argument is that a Cicada Hero mech with 4 lasers hard points and 2 missile hardpoints+ECM would be better than any of the other Cicadas and thus pay to win.

What? Pay to Win means you get something that your opponent does not, like gold bullets that do twice the damage (AC/40).

[Eric darkstar Marr]

Seanamal, on 28 February 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

I predict 2ml 2sl 2ssrm2 2 tons ammo ecm full armor, FF, Endo, 340xl engine

Its about what I predicted earlier in the thread, I hope so, that way we can see the tears of those whining P2W, When they have similar options to a lesser degree the 3l to be exact.

[jay35]

2x AC20s, 2 ECM, one for counter one for disrupt, 2x Streak-20s, and it runs an XL400 engine at 195kph.

[Wrenchfarm]

It won't be ECM capable. I don't know why so many are speculating on that.

If it has 4 energy points, ECM, plus 2 missile hardpoints, it would be a direct upgrade to the 3M. Basically it would be the 3M+streaks. They won't do that. They have been VERY careful to make the Hero mechs on par with cbill mechs but with different options. You can make valid arguments that several hero mechs have actually been weaker than their cbill counter parts (DK, Fang, some say the YLW though I disagree). ECM was kept back even from the Pretty Baby even though it would have made a TON of sense.

Other than that, the X-5 looks like a fun variation on the Cicada brand. I know at least a few people who are die-hard fans of the mech so that should be fun for them. I run a few bugs myself, but I'll be passing on this one.

[DangerGnome]

Wrenchfarm, on 01 March 2013 - 07:34 AM, said:

It won't be ECM capable. I don't know why so many are speculating on that.

If it has 4 energy points, ECM, plus 2 missile hardpoints, it would be a direct upgrade to the 3M. Basically it would be the 3M+streaks. They won't do that. They have been VERY careful to make the Hero mechs on par with cbill mechs but with different options. You can make valid arguments that several hero mechs have actually been weaker than their cbill counter parts (DK, Fang, some say the YLW though I disagree). ECM was kept back even from the Pretty Baby even though it would have made a TON of sense.

Other than that, the X-5 looks like a fun variation on the Cicada brand. I know at least a few people who are die-hard fans of the mech so that should be fun for them. I run a few bugs myself, but I'll be passing on this one.

You're forgetting the 3M has a Ballistic hardpoint, so the Missile hardpoints in the X-5 can still be considered a side-grade to the 3M even if it has ECM.

[Klaus]

Wrenchfarm, on 01 March 2013 - 07:34 AM, said:

It won't be ECM capable. I don't know why so many are speculating on that.

Probably not, but even if it was it wouldn't break the game as much as people think it would. It wouldn't be a better Raven 3L. What most people don't know about the Cicada is it has 1 point of armor on it's arms because they're worthless. Like the Centurion's left arm.

Forcing it to have to armor it's arms like that 2B variant, this thing isn't going to be going 151 kph with 4 mediums and 2 streaks. It's going to either have less armor, be slower, or have less weapons. It can't have everything like the 3L does.

But what I am more confused on the speculation of it having ballistics. Why would they make a hero mech with ballistics when there is already a Cicada with 4 ballistic hardpoints which sucks?

[Ngamok]

KharnZor, on 28 February 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

Why make a hero mech for the worst mech in the game?

To spark interest for the Cicada line in general.

[Wrenchfarm]

Ribos, on 01 March 2013 - 07:40 AM, said:

You're forgetting the 3M has a Ballistic hardpoint, so the Missile hardpoints in the X-5 can still be considered a side-grade to the 3M even if it has ECM.

True. Given how little that hardpoint is actually used vs the massive utility of streaks though I think that would be a weak argument.

[DangerGnome]

Wrenchfarm, on 01 March 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

True. Given how little that hardpoint is actually used vs the massive utility of streaks though I think that would be a weak argument.

I personally use that hardpoint often. I like the AC10, but also run with the UAC 5 and LB10X at times. It's a nice option and with the 280XL you're still running in the 130ish KPH range.

[Phoenix Gray]

Trauglodyte, on 28 February 2013 - 01:00 PM, said:

LRM20 Cicada w/ TAG

Oh yeah!!!

LRM20 with two-port launcher. Patience is a virtue.

Training Instructor, on 28 February 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

They wouldn't be ragequitting due to Pay to Win. They'd be rage quitting over the current broken combination of ECM+Streaks+Armor+High speed.

They'd be rage quitting because they rage. If not over this then something else.

[Phoenix Gray]

4 energy, 2 Mech Mortars. To this day I don't know why BT ever came up with those.

[Burning Chrome]

Natasha Kerensky, on 01 March 2013 - 05:31 AM, said:

They have stated in the Ask the Devs that Hero mechs will be both canon and non-canon that they create. This X model is experimental and not canon.

Rarely ever read those. Thank you for the update/correction.

Still find this variant to be lame. "Herp derp muh streaks on muh Cicada"-lame.

I do like the paint job as it reminds me of the DCMS Amphigean Regiments. If that is supposed to be a battered/worn looking appearance.

Not sure why some think the Cicada is the "worst" mech in the game.

Enjoyed the 3M, and still enjoy my 3C and think it's one of the better mechs in MWO.

MRIO.

Edited by Burning Chrome, 01 March 2013 - 08:05 AM.