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[WolvesX]

A quick discussion about easy fixes:

MG -> increase DPS to 1.0 like the Small Laser by increasing the ROF and a tiny bit the damage per bullet, max / effective range to 90 meter maybe a bit crit.

So what we got there: 2 MGs and 1 ton ammo = 2 tons, 2 tons are 2 MLs, but withour heat, the range is terrible low, DPS is less but it generates 0 heat, also the ammo is much faster consumed now. Seems like balanced to me.

Direct compeditor: Small Laser

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Flamer -> Increase the heatgeneration by A LOT, like x8 or x6 times and screw the crit. Here is your stun.

Now we got CC in game and a usefull flamer. It now can seriously lower the enemy DPS, if your target uses energy or rockets.

Direct compeditor: Inferno Missles

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ECM -> Make it work on both sides, without counter mode. SSRM Raven fixed, LRM boats FIXED. BAP as counter, but you lose the BAP bonus. ECM got only on / off mode.

ECM got serve disadvantages and got a real counter.

Direct compeditor: BAP

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AC10 -> Increase the ROF + ammo. 4.5 dps, reason: More DPS as AC2 and more burst and crit.
AC5 -> Increase the ROF + more ammo. 4 dps min, reason: Better crit then AC2, but same dps.
LBX10 -> Flat damage increase to 1.5 per pellet, half the range, increase a tiny bit ROF.

Direct compeditor: other ACs

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SSRM2 -> You have to lock on every shot again, but you can fire them unguided if you want to.

What do you think?

EDIT: Don't forget that these ideas are made of stone, anything you bring on the line will be considered. These things where just basic ideas.

EDIT: For all you BT lore guys, I can quote from the books...

Edited by WolvesX, 28 February 2013 - 02:37 PM.

[zverofaust]

Why do you have a list of Mechs you own in your name? I mean there are only like 12 Mechs or whatever it's not a collectible Mech game--oh wait, it kinda is isn't it.

[Esplodin]

MG: yes

Flamer: too big a buff. It should increase heat over time on the target, not instantly. Say 5-10% per sec per flamer up to 99%. a 9 flamer hunchie would not be OP, targeted mech would still be able to maneuver, but not fire ANYTHING without shutting down, and it would give MG with 0 heat an advantage.

ECM: Tough nut. I think heat is the balance here as well. Have the unit generate 5% heat per second while in disrupt, 2% in counter, and 0% when off. This makes it a tactical decision on what mode you need to use, while not nerfing it to command console levels just because of 3L hate.

AC: I think they are OK where they are at. I do pretty well with my 4X and quad AC5s.

[Doc Holliday]

WolvesX, on 28 February 2013 - 09:31 AM, said:

A quick discussion about easy fixes:

MG -> increase DPS to 1.0 like the Small Laser by increasing the ROF and a tiny bit the damage per bullet, max / effective range to 90 meter maybe a bit crit.

So what we got there: 2 MGs and 1 ton ammo = 2 tons, 2 tons are 2 MLs, but withour heat, the range is terrible low, DPS is less but it generates 0 heat, also the ammo is much faster consumed now. Seems like balanced to me.

Flamer -> Increase the heatgeneration by A LOT, like x8 or x6 times and screw the crit. Here is your stun.

Now we got CC in game and a usefull flamer.

ECM -> Make it work on both sides, without counter mode. SSRM Raven fixed, LRM boats FIXED. BAP as counter, but you lose the BAP bonus. ECM got only on / off mode.

ECM got serve disadvantages and got a real counter.

AC10 -> Increase the ROF + ammo. 4.5 dps
AC5 -> Increase the ROF + more ammo. 4 dps min

What do you think?

I think for as simple as those are those would probably get the job done without breaking anything else.

I think in addition to that though, all missiles need a small damage reduction and streaks need to have their ability to turn sharply to follow targets drastically reduced.

For those saying that makes the flamer too powerful, keep in mind the flamer is VERY short range. You have to just about bump into something to hit it with the flamer, no?

Edited by Doc Holliday, 28 February 2013 - 09:46 AM.

[Warrax the Chaos Warrior]

I disagree strongly with your flamer idea. They aren't supposed to be very good, this game doesn't need CC or stunlocks like an auto-aim MMO. Flamers are just there to slow down the RoF on mechs that are already running hot, nothing more.

[Spheroid]

What I want to know is if the developers ever experiemented with viable machine guns, ones that were competitive with the small laser. If they discovered something during closed testing why haven't they revealed it to us?

Four machine gun max on a chassis was never a danger from a boating standpoint and is limited by both damage dispersion and very short range.

I just want an explaination.

[w0rm]

MG's yes pls.
Flamers. That buff is way to big. Id say 2-3x should be enough.
AC10's are pretty much on the spot, maybe a little more ammo/ton.
AC5. Dont know. Never used them.
ECM. Hard to decide. Never had issues in it's current form.

Edited by w0rm, 28 February 2013 - 09:46 AM.

[WolvesX]

Don't take these ideas, if they where totaly final, I just wanted a discussion base.

[Inertiaman]

Voridan Atreides, on 28 February 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

Watch out everyone. zverofaust is on a rage! Don't worry. Stay calm. When you see his name just continue to scroll down and ignore everything he has to say!

Yet despite this you manage to just be more annoying by following him around like a small loud dog and making a deal of it.

[Voridan Atreides]

Inertiaman, on 28 February 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

Yet despite this you manage to just be more annoying by following him around like a small loud dog and making a deal of it.

After all of his annoying posts he needs it. Anyways I accepted his challenge.

[WolvesX]

zverofaust, on 28 February 2013 - 09:35 AM, said:

Why do you have a list of Mechs you own in your name? I mean there are only like 12 Mechs or whatever it's not a collectible Mech game--oh wait, it kinda is isn't it.

I got all mechs in game, I just posted those I mastered.

[schlaepf81]

MG: Buffing to bring them in between small and med laser. LIKE
Flamer: more heat. less heat...doesnt matter. let it be plasma, directly coming from the reactor and melt down your enemy. ultrashort range "ppc-mg" 2dps 3hps

w0rm, on 28 February 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

AC5. Dont know. Never used them.

and why is that so?

[Voridan Atreides]

schlaepf81, on 28 February 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

and why is that so?

Whats the point when you can just use the UAC/5?

[hammerreborn]

WolvesX, on 28 February 2013 - 09:31 AM, said:

ECM -> Make it work on both sides, without counter mode. SSRM Raven fixed, LRM boats FIXED. BAP as counter, but you lose the BAP bonus. ECM got only on / off mode.

ECM got serve disadvantages and got a real counter.

Direct compeditor: BAP

This has been suggested plenty of times and is a bad idea. As stated in the last time someone posted this suggestion:

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Great idea, until someone makes a macro (or just uses skill) that disables, fires, and puts it back on before the other guy can get his lock/fire.

And for clarification:

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Well I more meant it toggles, fires, and detoggles with the same click.

For example, you left mouse click, it tries to fire (can't), so it changes to counter, lock goes off, click again, fires, turns on disrupt. As long as you lock on faster than the opponent can notice he can lock on and fire, you still hold streak dominance for just slightly more effort than currently.

The macro just makes it easier than hitting j while tracking with the mouse.

[schlaepf81]

Voridan Atreides, on 28 February 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

Whats the point when you can just use the UAC/5?

exactly!
right know it is not worth taking w/o boating (quad build).
decreasing the reload to 1.5 would bring dps up to 3.33 rounded and hps to 0.66

maybe people will then consider the ac/5 more then right know. the uac/5 still has more dps power, but the ac/5 is more reliable and it still doesnt come up with the ac/10

Edited by schlaepf81, 28 February 2013 - 10:19 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Oh... when you said "easy way" i mistook this for another post about units that play in "easy mode" Running 3Ls, D-DCs and SplatCats, and universally trying to denigrate builds that require skill to master as worthless.

My bad.

Do agree with you on the whole MG thing.

[Kraven Kor]

Voridan Atreides, on 28 February 2013 - 09:58 AM, said:

After all of his annoying posts he needs it. Anyways I accepted his challenge.

You two should just @#$% and get it over with.

I end up firing off a retort or counter-point to Zverofaust more often than I'd like, but I'm not monitoring his posts to immediately troll.

I think you have too much free time

[Voridan Atreides]

Kraven Kor, on 28 February 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

You two should just @#$% and get it over with.

I end up firing off a retort or counter-point to Zverofaust more often than I'd like, but I'm not monitoring his posts to immediately troll.

I think you have too much free time

Oh no it won't be like this every day. Maybe just one or two a day. Speaking of free time I have none. I'm off to change a water pump soon.

Edited by Voridan Atreides, 28 February 2013 - 10:29 AM.

[WolvesX]

Voridan Atreides, on 28 February 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

Whats the point when you can just use the UAC/5?

The bigger the options, the more fun is the game.

UAC5 would stille be better (4.55 and more with df), but AC5 would be also viable.

Bishop Steiner, on 28 February 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

Oh... when you said "easy way" i mistook this for another post about units that play in "easy mode" Running 3Ls, D-DCs and SplatCats, and universally trying to denigrate builds that require skill to master as worthless.

My bad.

Do agree with you on the whole MG thing.

I have no easy solution to the whole SRM6x6 cat or SRMs in general. Very hard to balance in my humble opinion.

[Voridan Atreides]

WolvesX, on 28 February 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

UAC5 would stille be better (4.55 and more with df), but AC5 would be also viable.

AC/5 I think is better if you are boating unless you have the tonnage space for enough UAC/5s