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[Earthtalker]

Yokaiko, on 03 March 2013 - 08:49 AM, said:

No cent can mount two UAC5s or an AC20
No other phract can mount three UAC 5s
No Dragon except flam has four energy on the arm or can mount an AC20
Pretty Baby is the only mech in the game that can mount a 400xl

.....need I go on?


...and its not pay t win, there is no cash only ammo or whatnot.

Those are examples of mechs (with the exception of PB) that can do a little more (and slightly differently) of what they are already capable of. I agree that PB is somewhat ******** with the engine, however that is an anomaly, not the standard. If the hero Cicada has any missle points, it will be doing something no other cicada, either in game or in canon, has ever done. And that would be P2W.

EDIT
I'm not trying to shove what I think is or is not P2W down anyone's throat. This is only my opinion on what I believe it is. Please explain your outlook and reasoning on your opinion of what you think P2W is. I want to be able to understand it.

Edited by Earthtalker, 03 March 2013 - 09:03 AM.

[Wingbreaker]

Earthtalker, on 03 March 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

Those are examples of mechs (with the exception of PB) that can do a little more (and slightly differently) of what they are already capable of. I agree that PB is somewhat ******** with the engine, however that is an anomaly, not the standard. If the hero Cicada has any missle points, it will be doing something no other cicada, either in game or in canon, has ever done. And that would be P2W.

Again, clearly there are no other medium mechs that can carry missiles. Especially not at high speed variants. We should regularly provide feedback to PGI such as demanding that models like the trebuchet are able to compete.

Edited by Wingbreaker, 03 March 2013 - 09:06 AM.

[Yokaiko]

/facepalm


Nevermind.

Wingbreaker, on 03 March 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

Again, clearly there are no other medium mechs that can carry missiles. Especially not high speed variants.

Yeah, not the three Trenchers I have that are all over 115 (at least) would never happen.

[Earthtalker]

Wingbreaker, on 03 March 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

Again, clearly there are no other medium mechs that can carry missiles. Especially not high speed variants.

Trenchbucket good sir. For reference, anything over about 80kph was considered quick for battletech/mechwarrior.

EDIT
Dang, Yokaiko beat me to it.

Edited by Earthtalker, 03 March 2013 - 09:07 AM.

[LordBraxton]

Ilya = minor P2W, but its the only hero mech with a clear advantage so far.

if they add an ECM cicada with streaks its basically a 100% upgrade over all other cicada designs.

they better not!

[BigJim]

Even if it has ECM (which it won't) it would still essentially be on Par with the Raven, & Commando.

Still wouldn't be pay to win. Suck it.

[Mystere]

Entire flowing rivers of male nerd rage tears are being shed on the forums on something that isn't even out yet. People are sounding very much like the Apple-obsessed media and their wild speculations.

Wait for the darned thing to come out first THEN ***** all you like later if you stiil wish to do so.

Now back to the topic at hand ...

Which medium mech right now, except for the Cicada, does not have a variant with missle hardpoints? Answer: NONE.

[Enig]

Mystere, on 03 March 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

Entire flowing rivers of male nerd rage tears are being shed on the forums on something that isn't even out yet. People are sounding very much like the Apple-obsessed media and their wild speculations.

Wait for the darned thing to come out first THEN ***** all you like later if you stiil wish to do so.

Now back to the topic at hand ...

Which medium mech right now, except for the Cicada, does not have a variant with missle hardpoints? Answer: NONE.

I feel like most people have been rather civil so far in this thread, no need to resort to ad hominem and belittling.

It's not about giving the cicada missile points (which aren't confirmed yet) it would be that the only missile hardpoints on the Cicada platform would only be accessible for paid players.

I've spent at least 300 dollars thus far on Mechwarrior Online, I'm not bitching about paying money. I'm looking out for the integrity of the game as a whole to be perceived as one of the more respectable F2P platforms out there. They're skating a razor's edge as it is and they need to be really careful about it.

[Mystere]

Enig, on 03 March 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

I feel like most people have been rather civil so far in this thread, no need to resort to ad hominem and belittling.

Unless I was not clear, I was referring to the entire forum and not just this thread. I just chose this one as my venue because it is the one I saw at the top of the list. How many topics do we need to have on exactly the same thing (i.e. coming Hero Cicada, possibly with ECM and missles)?

[Enig]

You only need one, the one that keeps an objective viewpoint and level head.

[Sierra19]

I don't really know what all of the fuss is. I've killed lots of hero mechs (or helped kill, my KDR is horrendous) in my "regular" mechs, and I've been killed by "regular" mechs driving a hero mech. The BIGGEST benfit of hero mechs, are that you can customize them with a loadout of your choosing, and they earn more c-bills per match. That doesn't make the grind easier, just shorter, than a regular player who doesn't want to/can't afford to pay. The YWL's heat management is TERRIBLE, until you blow 2 million c-bills to upgrade to endo-steel and double heat sinks, which is practically enough to buy a light mech. Also, most hero mechs come with XL engines installed, so they suffer in game, due to the fact that you only need to take out one torso location to kill it. So all of these mechs aren't "uber-mechs", as they can be killed quite easily, they just have an advantage in damage output, to make up for their shortened battlefield survivability. Just my 2 cents.

Edited by Sierra19, 03 March 2013 - 10:23 AM.

[Wingbreaker]

Enig, on 03 March 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

I feel like most people have been rather civil so far in this thread, no need to resort to ad hominem and belittling.

It's not about giving the cicada missile points (which aren't confirmed yet) it would be that the only missile hardpoints on the Cicada platform would only be accessible for paid players.

I've spent at least 300 dollars thus far on Mechwarrior Online, I'm not bitching about paying money. I'm looking out for the integrity of the game as a whole to be perceived as one of the more respectable F2P platforms out there. They're skating a razor's edge as it is and they need to be really careful about it.

Wingbreaker, on 03 March 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

Again, clearly there are no other medium mechs that can carry missiles. Especially not at high speed variants. We should regularly provide feedback to PGI such as demanding that models like the trebuchet are able to compete.

[Tesunie]

Vapor Trail, on 03 March 2013 - 07:22 AM, said:

If there are two 2-tube hardpoints on the X-5, I'm waiting to see someone put two LRM20's on the thing.

Non-stop missile stream.

Don't tempt me! Sounds humorous and funny to try, but not very effective...

This might be the first hero mech I'll get, as I like the Cicada...

[Klaus]

I just don't understand how you people think this is going to be like adding 1 more laser to a Raven 3L and is going to 'break the game' and make it 'pay to win'.

NEWS FLASH.

The Cicada isn't a Raven 3L.

You're not going to be able to carry an XL 340 engine with max armor AND 4 medium lasers with 2 Streak SRMs. You're going to have to armor the arms unlike the other Cicadas because they have laser hard points on them. So you are going to have to choose from being as fast as a Raven 3L, having decent armor, or having decent cooling, while the whole time being a much bigger target.

CDA-3M

Picture adding 2 streak srms and 2 tons of ammo to this build. You're only going to be going 135.9 with SPEED TWEAK.

You're going to have to either sack the engine, armor, or cooling. There is no way around it. While the Raven 3L doesn't have to sacrifice anything to have the best of everything.

It's not going to be better Raven 3L if it has ECM.

Edited by Klaus, 03 March 2013 - 11:36 AM.

[Slicer]

KLAUS!!! SHHHHHHHH!!!!

Damnit dont inform everyone that the so called ECM Cicada you mentioned isnt OP! Hopefully it comes loaded out as you mentioned and swarms of people will be buying them like hotcakes migrating from Raven 3Ls thinking they'll be unstoppable. Then all the level headed folks are gonna have a helluva fun time blowing the crap out of them since Cicadas are SOOOOO much easier to hit than Ravens and the farming shall be glorious!!!

I can see it now.... ALL of my mechs are gonna have a fun time blasting them using EVERY weapon at my disposal since there's no more wonky hit boxes, and best part yet, if it wants to have a heavier loadout, it needs to sacrifice speed. The slaughter of these lambs and their ensuing tears will amuse us all for years to come.

1. PGI makes a boatload of dough selling supposedly P2W mech
2. Morons will be farmed constantly, trying to emulate the same old tactics of the Raven 3L
3. People realizing all the QQing was stupid since the Raven 3L is still a much better mech
4. People will realize that QQing about P2W is dumb since ELO will sort everything out anyway over the long term
5. My Streakmando will have another natural prey added to its list\

I say bring on the ECM Streak Cicada! If you're a smart pilot you'll be thanking the mech gods that the Craven pilots are switching over to a ride you can actually hit and KILL!

Course the ironic thing is i'll prolly get this hero if it has ECM. The Cicada is pretty much the only mech in the game i havent mastered yet, so it nows gives me a good excuse to try em out. Thank Kerensky i dont need to grind 1 energy 4 ballistic variant now!

[Drexorn]

Enig, on 03 March 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

I feel like most people have been rather civil so far in this thread, no need to resort to ad hominem and belittling.

I don't agree with your OP Enig, but respect your opinion. I think 4xenergy, 2xmissile & ecm would make it a great mech to own, but not P2W. It may have a bit more armor than a raven, but it would be a bit slower and easier to hit. If everyone only played cicada's it would be P2W, but in the bigger picture of MWO I don't think it is. It's good though that people use the forums to keep PGI in check, or at least make them think about their choices.

ps - Slicer, the 1energy 4 ballistic is actually kind of fun. It forced me to adopt a different play style. I put 1 ERPPC and 4 mg's in it. I only get close once armor is stripped to get the MG crits. It's not ideal, but i've gotten 5 mg kills in one game once. I do tend to usually only rack up assists with it though.

Edited by Drexorn, 03 March 2013 - 12:22 PM.

[Rift Hawk]

No weapon slots for hero mechs !!!!

You just have to run around and cap things. BUT WAIT !!!

You have to do it with a mech that goes 48kph because if you go faster than my Atlas your p2w.

You know what ?

If your doing anything in this game I can't, your p2w. Its so obvious to me now.....

Seriously, why every time a new hero mech is going to come out, someone has to start a ******* pay to win topic about it. Get over it.

[Mystere]

Slicer, on 03 March 2013 - 12:07 PM, said:

KLAUS!!! SHHHHHHHH!!!!

Damnit dont inform everyone that the so called ECM Cicada you mentioned isnt OP! ...

Agreed. Anyone who thinks an ECM-equipped Cicada will be a 3L replacement will be in for a rude awakening.

Anyone who uses it as a 3L hunter, well, that's another story altogether.

[aptest]

Right now in the game fast-moving ECM packing missile mechs are a problem. If Hero Cicada becomes part of this group than it is an easy-mode problem mech just like every other mech in the group.

streaks/hit-registration need to get a fix they so that missile+ECM+130+KPH mechs no longer "break the game". Until that time introducing a pay-to-use mech that uses the combination of these three mechanics is p2w.

[Davers]

KuruptU4Fun, on 03 March 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

Currently the Cicada is the ONLY mech WITH ECM that cannot use missiles at all, not the reverse....

Also the Spider.