145 replies to this topic

[Tikkamasala]

R&R is totally useless without CW (and perhaps even with CW). All it does is reduce the average cbill reward per match or force you to "play" a few rounds in a mech you don't like to farm cbills so you can have fun in the next match using your favourite loadout.

[Xie Belvoule]

Hamm3r, on 07 March 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

Ohhhhh and your not for assuming that ALL pugs are useless meat shields, somebody can dish it out but not take it I see.

Actually bro, given your posts its a fair assumption that you are either
A: Young and Single (probably, given the maturity level,) or
B: have older kids, (Doubtful, see A again,)

You see, the thing with the internet is that I don't know you from Adam, or Eve if that's the case, so we then have to go based on posts and what info can be gathered by reading between the lines. Take your posts for example, PUGs are to be used as meat shields, don't listen, useless ect. Which means that you spend a lot more of your time in game, and in VOIP, which is perfectly fine, BUT you call people who don't spend as much time as you useless. See where people can draw conclusions? So again I say, NO, not arrogant at all. However, you sir...yes arrogant, you just proved my point twice with the childish little memes.

“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” -C.S. Lewis

[Steven Dixon]

I don't see that many players really acting like cowards (and yes I only pug). You are rewarded for fighting and don't have to pay for R&R so most players want to mix it up. Do you get players who are only worried about their stats and trying to game the system, absolutly. You also get players who will team kill just for kicks, who don't know minimum range on weapons, who suicide themselves, ect.

These kinds of players are inevitable (unless you do 8mans and pick your teammates), they are only really a problem if they are really common, and in my opinion they really aren't that common. To be fair you might be in a different Elo bracket so perhaps they are much more common in your bracket.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Did you really just quote C.S. Lewis to try and earn some street cred after posting those stupid mine craft pictures and saying PUGs were meatshields?

Sounds like someone's jimmies were rustled.

[Kazly]

Why does anyone care about stats?

I mean, honestly - my stats are, at this time, viewable only by myself. Why anyone in game would purposefully hang back, not attack, not help their team, not (whatever) so their 'stats' can be higher.... is probably one of the most ridiculous things I've ever encountered.

It would be like rubbing one out with a cut out magazine picture in place of...well...so that you feel better about yourself.

And anyone that would want to see my 'stats' before I could join their 'group' can kiss my ... stats.

[Kylere]

Steven Dixon, on 07 March 2013 - 10:22 AM, said:

These kinds of players are inevitable (unless you do 8mans and pick your teammates), they are only really a problem if they are really common, and in my opinion they really aren't that common. To be fair you might be in a different Elo bracket so perhaps they are much more common in your bracket.

Yeah, I agree that this may be the issue. I am seriously going to do some crazed noob suicide attacks tonight and see if I can break out of the eggshell ELO range.

[Stoicblitzer]

I think it's mostly about people not knowing their roles or knowing them but not being able to execute them. If a team has 8 snipers, they will usually keep backing up as a balanced enemy approaches hoping that someone else will hold them off long enough for people to take some good shots.

Also, I feel like this game is more about avoiding needless damage than dealing damage. Why would a 4xMLAS 2xSRM6 4SP be peeking over the ridge? The amount of risk for doing so is way too high for the amount of damage it could possibly deal to a 2xERPPC 1xGauss 3D 500M away.

[Applecrow]

I don't have high regards for anyone who calls a player a coward in this game, not after being called "****" and a cowardly for CAPPING POINTS IN CONQUEST IN A FAST SCOUT MECH.

[Hamm3r]

Xie Belvoule, on 07 March 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” -C.S. Lewis

You do know where that came from don't you?? C.S. Lewis was christian, his works and his ideas have christian meanings, (Note I'm not criticizing anything, I actually agree with everything he says and enjoyed his works,) BUT that particular line came from the Bible, specifically 1 Corinthians 13:11 "When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me." That was actually the Apostle Paul in a letter to the church in Corinth. However, the greater context is in love, and how if we do not do things with the love of Christ in our hearts then it means nothing, IE in verse 3 you read "If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing." The greater meaning wasn't so much about Adult versus Child, but about Faith, Hope and Love, which leads me to one of my favorite versus, 13: "And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."

[Xie Belvoule]

Hamm3r, on 07 March 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

No, not at all, I'm in the same boat really. I'm active duty military, with an Active duty military wife whose currently deployed, and I have a one year old. Only reason I'm on now is I'm on leave and hes at the babysitters today. When hes at home, my computer is off. I LOVE MWO, that's why I became a Legendary Founder, however, my family ALWAYS comes first, I PUG because 99% of the time its all I have time for. So Arrogant...No not at all, not even one bit. Family Life is not arrogant sir, have a family with a kid or two and see if it changes your gaming perspective just a little bit. Priorities tend to change, its a fact of something that's called "Real Life," Believe me there is a world beyond the LCD screen my friend, take a look.

ar·ro·gant (r-gnt)adj.
1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
2. having or showing an exaggerated opinion of one's own importance, merit, ability, etc.

Your own sense of self-worth and self-importance is clearly exaggerated. You assume much about others you do not know. You assume unless they procreate that they have no "real life."

Back on topic, the OP may be seeing the occasional coward. However the vast majority of pugs want a good scrap, they just don't know what to do because they lack the in game tools to create and implement a plan of attack.

Edited by Xie Belvoule, 07 March 2013 - 10:38 AM.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Applecrow, on 07 March 2013 - 10:28 AM, said:

I don't have high regards for anyone who calls a player a coward in this game, not after being called "****" and a cowardly for CAPPING POINTS IN CONQUEST IN A FAST SCOUT MECH.

That's just dumb and really not the point of this thread at all.

If anyone yells at you for capping in conquest ignore them.

Xie Belvoule, on 07 March 2013 - 10:32 AM, said:

ar·ro·gant (r-gnt)adj.
1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
2. having or showing an exaggerated opinion of one's own importance, merit, ability, etc.

Your own sense of self-worth and self-importance is clearly exaggerated.

You are arrogant, and damn he just owned you in the above reply.

[Monsoon]

Kylere, on 07 March 2013 - 05:38 AM, said:

Okay, it is time to completely remove stats. Every PUG match I am in is becoming a game of "Wait until someone else engages so I do not die"

This was always an issue before but now it has grown dramatically worse. Atlai with ERPPCS playing sniper? Ravens that will not run into the enemy rear? Cataphacts thinking they are Catapults?

This is silly, the sheer cowardice is going to drive me to a teamspeak server and my fellow PUGS should be ashamed.

Sounds like we found our 'volunteer' to rush over the hill first and draw fire.

[Hamm3r]

Xie Belvoule, on 07 March 2013 - 10:32 AM, said:

ar·ro·gant (r-gnt)adj.
1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
2. having or showing an exaggerated opinion of one's own importance, merit, ability, etc.

Your own sense of self-worth and self-importance is clearly exaggerated. You assume much about others you do not know.

That reply in and of itself is arrogant. And since you like quoting C.S Lewis, hears another from his inspiration, the Bible:

Matthew 7:3-5“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."

That was Jesus speaking about passing judgement on others.

Its all good bro, just here to have fun in MWO, no need to criticize anybody, just game!

NOTE: I am not trying to force any beliefs on anybody, he simply quoted a biblical source so I am using his same source to prove my point. I happen to be a christian, but I respect all faiths and do not hold my beliefs above anybody's.

Edited by Hamm3r, 07 March 2013 - 10:40 AM.

[Stoicblitzer]

as much fun as it is to watch your epeens duke it out, we really should stay on topic.

[Terror Teddy]

Xie Belvoule, on 07 March 2013 - 10:32 AM, said:

ar·ro·gant (r-gnt)adj.
1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
2. having or showing an exaggerated opinion of one's own importance, merit, ability, etc.

Your own sense of self-worth and self-importance is clearly exaggerated. You assume much about others you do not know. You assume unless they procreate that they "have no life."

Is that on the other hand not the same thing with you in comparison to you comments about PUG's?

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Your main problem is that your a PUG and thus not there to win. Your their to populate the game, you are essentially the AI controlled NPCs and mobs, you're just something for premades to shoot or tell to RTB. When I drop with my lance we just use pugs as meat shields, their not worth anything else.

By the way you write the above statement about pugs one can quite easily come to the conclusion (I might be wrong) that you:
A: Is not one of the lowly "pugs"
B: You are with a LANCE, the REAL MEN and use the lowly pugs as meat shields.

Point A is point 1 in the arrogance description
Point B is point 2 in the arrogance description.

As I wrote before. Pot meet kettle.

Edited by Terror Teddy, 07 March 2013 - 10:40 AM.

[Xie Belvoule]

Stoicblitzer, on 07 March 2013 - 10:38 AM, said:

as much fun as it is to watch your epeens duke it out, we really should stay on topic.

Quite right, the point is that stalemates occur when no one has a plan of action or lacks the tools to create and implement a plan. The fact is that pugs will continue to be aimless and noncommittal "cowards" until they have a way to interact effectively in the midst of a battle.

Hamm3r, on 07 March 2013 - 10:37 AM, said:

That reply in and of itself is arrogant. And since you like quoting C.S Lewis, hears another from his inspiration, the Bible:

Matthew 7:3-5“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."

That was Jesus speaking about passing judgement on others.

Its all good bro, just here to have fun in MWO, no need to criticize anybody, just game!

NOTE: I am not trying to force any beliefs on anybody, he simply quoted a biblical source so I am using his same source to prove my point. I happen to be a christian, but I respect all faiths and do not hold my beliefs above anybody's.

Fair enough, play ball.

Edited by Xie Belvoule, 07 March 2013 - 11:24 AM.

[Kylere]

Okay, I am out, once people start quoting mythology as fact I am done.

[Xie Belvoule]

Kylere, on 07 March 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

Okay, I am out, once people start quoting mythology as fact I am done.

Agreed, this thread is gonna give me cancer.

[Elandyll]

Xie Belvoule, on 07 March 2013 - 11:28 AM, said:

Agreed, this thread is gonna give me cancer.

It sure gave you a rep anyway.

Congratulations

[Xie Belvoule]

Elandyll, on 07 March 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

It sure gave you a rep anyway.

Congratulations

Thanks