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[Diomedesbc]

It's kinda crazy when an XL engine for my Spider costs twice as much as the mech does? Why are XL engine prices so high?

[Khobai]

Because theres really no reason not to use an XL engine on a light mech. Its a straight upgrade over a standard engine. So it has to have some downside... which is its cost.

The real question is why don't assaults benefit as much from XL engines as lights? Giving players the ability to pinpoint aim at side torsos and scaling up the size of side torsos on assaults really makes those XL engines not as worthwhile as they should be on anything bigger than a medium mech.

[Deathlike]

Speed is life for a light mech. Thus, it will cost you to get "the extra life".

[Zyllos]

Khobai, on 17 March 2013 - 10:22 AM, said:

Because theres really no reason not to use an XL engine on a light mech. Its a straight upgrade over a standard engine. So it has to have some downside... which is its cost.

The real question is why don't assaults benefit as much from XL engines as lights? Giving players the ability to pinpoint aim at side torsos and scaling up the size of side torsos on assaults really makes those XL engines not as worthwhile as they should be on anything bigger than a medium mech.

100% incorrect.

You can easily sacrifice some tonnage and speed to up the survivability of a light. You can really see this advantage if you can deal damage onto a single location well against a light on light fight and you have the STD while he has the XL.

The reason why they cost so much is because it is considered Lvl 2 tech.

[Sable Dove]

Because PGI has absolutely no concept of what a reasonable price is; have you looked at the MC item prices?

[Khobai]

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You can easily sacrifice some tonnage and speed to up the survivability of a light.

no you cant. try building a competitive commando-2D with a standard engine. Not gonna happen.

[John MatriX82]

have you ever gone to sarna.net? Those prices are generally inline to TT. Take a look at clan mechs prices in cbills then..

XLs cost a lot because they are higher tech, just plan to buy one that you can recycle in other mechs.. I don't consider lights so I guess you'll need a dedicated one.

[Zyllos]

Khobai, on 17 March 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

no you cant. try building a competitive commando-2D with a standard engine. Not gonna happen.

You can build a competitive COM-2D, but you will get torn apart by light mechs. The COM-2D was never meant to be fighting against light mechs but instead of hitting targets slower and larger than itself.

Seem to do plenty fine in my COM-2D with 150 STD engine.

[Khobai]

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Seem to do plenty fine in my COM-2D with 150 STD engine.

uh i doubt it. youd go like 110kph tops

[Zyllos]

Yup, and I don't need to go any faster.

[PaintedWolf]

it's kinda strange how XL Engines are supposedly balanced against Regular since they make the Mech more vulnerable but are far more expensive. If they are equally balanced shouldn't they be the same price?

[Demoned]

PaintedWolf, on 17 March 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

it's kinda strange how XL Engines are supposedly balanced against Regular since they make the Mech more vulnerable but are far more expensive. If they are equally balanced shouldn't they be the same price?

but the XL allows you to carry more, if not ****** damage dealing weapons.
the Cat A1 aka splatcat wouldn't be able to carry all those SRMs, if it wasn't the XL.
they do in the end give more advantages than they take away. so price is fine.


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how and why is B.igg.er censored lol

Edited by Demoned, 17 March 2013 - 06:14 PM.

[PaintedWolf]

Demoned, on 17 March 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

but the XL allows you to carry more, if not ****** damage dealing weapons.
the Cat A1 aka splatcat wouldn't be able to carry all those SRMs, if it wasn't the XL.
they do in the end give more advantages than they take away. so price is fine.


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how and why is B.igg.er censored lol

Oh so basically, when SRMs get nerfed all those people who paid extra c-bills or MCs just so they can get a Splatcat are gonna get screwed over.

[idle crow]

Outside of a light mech almost every competitive mech build runs a standard engine. So its not like you need many.

[Khobai]

XL engines are supposed to be a straight upgrade to standard engines. A lot of newer assault designs use XL engines. Its just XL on assaults isnt viable in MWO because they let players aim at specific locaitons.

And if youre only going 110kph in a commando thats fail on so many levels.

[Kmieciu]

Zyllos, on 17 March 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

Yup, and I don't need to go any faster.

Good luck in your 110 kph Commando, when my XL300 Trebuchet runs 106 kph. What are you going to do against an enemy with twice the armor, twice the firepower and running at roughly the same speed as you? I'll give you a tip. You will die a quick death.

And 110 Commando vs 150 kph Raven? You won't even see it coming...

[sC4r]

if you want to be able tank damage or have eazy to hit front line mech use standard engine
if you want to be hell fast or to be huge weapon platform that is in second line then xl is the way to go

as for cost... you can get one and swap it between mechs that need it
the price is fine... deal with it

[ohtochooseaname]

In a light, once you lose a side torso, you almost always have lost most if not all of your other torso armor, and probably have orange/red sections elsewhere. You're basically going to die on the next volley or two, so what's the use in having a STD engine? It is a straight upgrade for lights. In TT, it was also a straight upgrade since you could move faster, and no one could target a torso section, so when one blows up, most likely everything else is almost dead anyway. So, those costs were carried over to this game, where the vast majority of heavies/assaults don't run an XL due to the quick death it causes.

BTW, I love it when I run into a light in a STD engine. Easy pickings. In my experience, 130kph+ is sort-of the speed threshold, where you become significantly difficult to target and will survive much longer.

[Zyllos]

ohtochooseaname, on 18 March 2013 - 01:39 AM, said:

In a light, once you lose a side torso, you almost always have lost most if not all of your other torso armor, and probably have orange/red sections elsewhere. You're basically going to die on the next volley or two, so what's the use in having a STD engine? It is a straight upgrade for lights. In TT, it was also a straight upgrade since you could move faster, and no one could target a torso section, so when one blows up, most likely everything else is almost dead anyway. So, those costs were carried over to this game, where the vast majority of heavies/assaults don't run an XL due to the quick death it causes.

BTW, I love it when I run into a light in a STD engine. Easy pickings. In my experience, 130kph+ is sort-of the speed threshold, where you become significantly difficult to target and will survive much longer.

I only lose 1 of my 3 weapons when I lose one of my side torsos.

Have a weapon in the LA, RA, and CT. SRM ammo is in two different locations to reduce chance of ammo explosion and if it does happen, I still have some of that ammo left (along with CASE for staying alive).

Still don't see how XL engine is 100% a must for lights (and fast mediums).

[focuspark]

C-Bill grind for high priced items is the XP + Rep grind of all other MMO. Welcome to playing a MMO