849 replies to this topic

[Rejarial Galatan]

if they implement it, it will kill the game, and harm PGI because the backlash alone with be huge. They are risking financial ruin purely because a significant portion of Founders will demand all monies paid into them back based on false advertising. They are also shattering a key design pillar. Fare Well MechWarrior Online, you HAD potential, but it was tossed away by a caustically fatally bad choice.

[jakucha]

valkyrie, on 20 March 2013 - 08:46 PM, said:

In 24 hours we've had missiles buffed to miniature nuclear weapons, the introduction of a coolant "feature" we were promised would never be introduced, possible tacit acknowledgement of MC ammo, and now official, CONFIRMED acknowledgement of 3rd person still being alive and well.

Buddy, we're beyond screaming "the sky is falling." The heavens have opened up and are now raining fire and brimstone.

The game hasn't changed for me at all with the coolant being around. And in less than 24 hours we're getting a hotfix for the missile bug. A twitter screenshot doesn't confirm anything either.

And as for the paid MC thread? It's no better than this one. Constructing massive panicky threads based off of 1 line of rumor won't get us anywhere useful. When they release real information, feel free to discuss how it sucks, but wait until we have details and not rumors.

Edited by jakucha, 20 March 2013 - 08:52 PM.

[Karyudo ds]

Critical Fumble, on 20 March 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

They've just gotten around to make the game playable for most people, and adding in the server strain of a spotting mechanic, and ACTUAL invisibility for ECM?

Actually that doesn't seem like it would be an issue and could just work with the systems that determine what we can target. Well I guess beyond telling things to start rendering or or stop client side maybe, but that shouldn't be a big deal.

[Rozav]

valkyrie, on 20 March 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

So in other words, you're just going to start using 3rd person as well so you can get that situational awareness advantage over cockpit jockeys.

Cool story bro. Why don't you just save yourself some time and go play MW4 some more?

You really think 3rd person is the end all be all? It's really amusing how "real warriors" and "cockpit jockeys" cry foul and throw a tantrum about:
3rd person
ECM
LRM
Med/Small laser spam
Gauss-a-pults
Streakcats
SRM-splatcats
Jenner Ds - turned Raven 3Ls
Commando 2Ds
the X-5 'premium'
double ac20 Jagers
MC Coolants

Humanity will never change, there will always be these pilots posting these posts about how life's unfair. It's a game company, voice your opinion, and then make your decision as to leave or stay. I'll stay, and look for you on the field I'm betting your messages in game will be better than your forum posts.

I like my cockpit view, and I'll be piloting from the pilot seat. And I'll still have a good time hunting people when they switch to 3rd person.

[Thirdstar]

jakucha, on 20 March 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

The game hasn't changed for me at all with the coolant being around.

[INSEkT L0GIC]

valkyrie, on 20 March 2013 - 08:30 PM, said:

Hey look, it's one of those rare times where MWO SHOULD crib from the WoT playbook. Offer new players a semi-scripted tutorial. Give them 500,000CB for completing it. Explain in no uncertain terms that your torso moves independently of your legs in said tutorial, amongst other things. Bam, DONE.

Much less coding-intensive, and significantly less likely to make your entire userbase march out to your offices with torches and pitchforks (though they're in Canada, so polite signage and strongly worded essays are more likely).

Per NGNG Podcast 64, the scripted tutorial mode with tutorial objectives will be called Training Grounds (as opposed to Testing Grounds that we have now).

[Nathan Foxbane]

Blood Crow, on 20 March 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:

So you won't mind at all when everyone else has a distinct advantage over you and every time you turn a corner you're immediately met with a facefull of AC/20 and die. If, to you, the immersion is really worth only being able to actually play the game for two minutes before dying every time you drop then fine, good for you, but the rest of us aren't so masochistic.

We are assuming there is no way around this? That it is somehow immutable law of the function of third person and that professional game designers and coding engineers who have been able to play with the idea for months now and if past experience serves soon does not mean immediate future so possibly months still. Will be able to adjust or even remove as necessary after making it live?

[Noth]

Karyudo ds, on 20 March 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

Actually that doesn't seem like it would be an issue and could just work with the systems that determine what we can target. Well I guess beyond telling things to start rendering or or stop client side maybe, but that shouldn't be a big deal.

The advantage of 3rd person is not just seeing the enemy around corners and so forth. It is also being able to see the terrain around you. It give you a massive advantage of situational awareness when it comes to moving. The only way to block that would be to not render nearly all the screen. that would be horrid.

[Commander Kobold]

if it does get implemented it'll be nice to see my mech moving around.

[Mazzyplz]

well i'll be waiting patiently for them russians to come up with MWOemu sometime in the future

[Shazbawt]

You people fail to understand the simple concept that every single thing being developed for this game is to mirror World of Tanks. EVERY SINGLE THING. Why? Because it is successful and they have no idea what they are doing so they are trying to follow a successful business model in a similar genera. Look at the things that they have released so far:

Premium Mechs/Tanks /// Check
Premium Camo for Mechs/Tanks /// Check
Premium Colors for Mechs/Tanks /// Check
Consumables that can be purchased with both Non Premium and Premium Currency (that's coolant flush btw) /// Check
Purchase Non Premium Currency with Premium Currency (buying for MC and selling for Cbills) /// Check
Transferring Exp to Global Exp /// Check

Cmmon now...3rd person mode is just the next natural progression for this clone

Edited by Shazbawt, 20 March 2013 - 08:55 PM.

[Commander Kobold]

Noth, on 20 March 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

The advantage of 3rd person is not just seeing the enemy around corners and so forth. It is also being able to see the terrain around you. It give you a massive advantage of situational awareness when it comes to moving. The only way to block that would be to not render nearly all the screen. that would be horrid.

how dare every one get an equal situational awareness boost.

[jakucha]

Thirdstar, on 20 March 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

meme picture because I have no actual arugument

Notice how the forum isn't inundated with posts about coolant after it's been in use for a while. There aren't even any coolant threads on the first page. Nobody's fighting it because it's not that useful. I hope you don't run out of meme pictures to use, lil' Thirdstar.

Edited by jakucha, 20 March 2013 - 08:59 PM.

[Nathan Foxbane]

der langsamere, on 20 March 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:

stick head in sand pretend no problem exists. I guess this works for some.

Hardly, means perk up and listen, but do not bolt at the first sound you hear. Prey runs, the hunter is patient and alert.

[Noth]

Shazbawt, on 20 March 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

You people fail to understand the simple concept that every single thing being developed for this game is to mirror World of Tanks. EVERY SINGLE THING. Why? Because it is successful and they have no idea what they are doing so they are trying to follow a successful business model in a similar genera. Look at the things that they have released so far:

Premium Mechs/Tanks /// Check
Premium Camo for Mechs/Tanks /// Check
Premium Colors for Mechs/Tanks /// Check
Consumables that can be purchased with both Non Premium and Premium Currency (that's coolant flush btw) /// Check
Purchase Non Premium Currency with Premium Currency (buying for MC and selling for Cbills) /// Check
Transferring Exp to Global Exp /// Check

Cmmon now...3rd person mode is just the next natural progression for this clone

There is a massive difference in game play design. What you listed was a business and economic design, not gameplay design.

[valkyrie]

Rozav, on 20 March 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

You really think 3rd person is the end all be all? It's really amusing how "real warriors" and "cockpit jockeys" cry foul and throw a tantrum about:
3rd person
ECM
LRM
Med/Small laser spam
Gauss-a-pults
Streakcats
SRM-splatcats
Jenner Ds - turned Raven 3Ls
Commando 2Ds
the X-5 'premium'
double ac20 Jagers
MC Coolants

Humanity will never change, there will always be these pilots posting these posts about how life's unfair. It's a game company, voice your opinion, and then make your decision as to leave or stay. I'll stay, and look for you on the field I'm betting your messages in game will be better than your forum posts.

I like my cockpit view, and I'll be piloting from the pilot seat. And I'll still have a good time hunting people when they switch to 3rd person.

I never said I planned to quit any time soon. But if you don't think I'm going to fight bad game design decisions every step of the way, you're dead wrong.

[Acid Phase]

As I stated before, there is no credibility to PGI anymore. Just think back the promises made.

• Community Warfare
  
• No Coolant Flush
  
• No 3rd Person
  
• Clan Invasion timeline
  
• Among many other things in the supposed "Roadmap"

How can we take a "professional company" as PGI serious? Where is their integrity?

[Rikard Mauer]

jakucha, on 20 March 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

That's exactly why I don't want third person, just like with Mechwarrior 4. However, like I said, people start with the sky is falling bit every time something comes up and those types of posts don't help anyone, especially considering how we have 0 actual information about this.

Threads like this can be reactionary and alarmist, but ideally they show the community and the developers beyond a shadow of a doubt that players feel strongly about many aspects of the game, and the game as a whole. There are many who couldn't really care one way or another as long as they can shoot big stompy mechs with their big stompy mechs, but those who are passionate will do their best to constructively criticize and encourage the growth of the game, and the developers should recognize this. This isn't baseless hate-mongering. The soft touch isn't working, so people are going to go in strong and harsh. People want to see this game flourish and become the best it can be. I want to see it happen too.

[FarEYE]

Nerf 3rd person, give it trails like a hippy on acid and I am ok with it.

[Rozav]

valkyrie, on 20 March 2013 - 08:56 PM, said:

I never said I planned to quit any time soon. But if you don't think I'm going to fight bad game design decisions every step of the way, you're dead wrong.

Then fight it, don't fight me, I basically said the same thing you did except I'll accept it if they ultimately go live with it.

Just think about it, more new people to shoot at in the long run.