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[Mazzyplz]

jakucha, on 21 March 2013 - 01:59 AM, said:

Do yourself a favor and stop consulting him on everything, it makes you look bad. I never implied anything other than what I actually typed. I said I don't want third person because it ruined past games. If we share the opinion it's fine and dandy, but he's just as annoying as I am to you.

consulting him?

you must be doing some hard drugs son, why don't you check out my thread called "srms are not broken" so you can see me and him disagreeing a whole lot.
i just happen to think third person is the worst idea yet to hit this game and you seemed to be defending it; if not then i take that back

agreeing with someone doesn't mean they're my best friend; nor does disagreeing mean i dislike the person;
there's a marik guy around the forums davers, he and i are never in the same page; however i have played with him on a premade once or twice and he's a pleasant, fun person and a good player to boot

Edited by Mazzyplz, 21 March 2013 - 02:11 AM.

[Thirdstar]

Wingbreaker, on 21 March 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

I submit that you're feeding someone desperately seeking attention, and feeling cool because you're in 'the crowd.' I also submit that this is a childish reaction without an ounce of actual logic or desire to understand the intentions of the devs.

This isn't a discussion, it's a lynch mob.

So what is the intention of the Dev in regards to 3rd person?

Also I've heard Galaxy called a LOT of things but that's not one of them. He's actually one of 'you'.

[Gaan Cathal]

Wingbreaker, on 21 March 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

I submit that you're feeding someone desperately seeking attention, and feeling cool because you're in 'the crowd.' I also submit that this is a childish reaction without an ounce of actual logic or desire to understand the intentions of the devs.

This isn't a discussion, it's a lynch mob.

Don't knock it. Lynch mobs have been around far longer than modern experimental systems like democracy. Tried and tested.

As for "childish reaction without an ounce of actual logic or desire to understand the intentions of the devs" - it's the application of logic that allows us to preempt the announcement by the devs of their intentions. We understand what 3POV is, how it can be implemented, what effects it will have. We do not need to rely on the beneficence of the development team to enlighten us to these things. We can observe, process and form our on conclusions.

The majority conclusion appears at this stage to be that the idea is ******* stupid.

[Krellek]

Wingbreaker, on 21 March 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

I submit that you're feeding someone desperately seeking attention, and feeling cool because you're in 'the crowd.' I also submit that this is a childish reaction without an ounce of actual logic or desire to understand the intentions of the devs.

This isn't a discussion, it's a lynch mob.

How can we understand intentions when no intentions were laid out?

The 'theme' of this thread if you will, is one of gross error yet again from the PR standpoint.

We have zero to go off of with the exception that PGI said NO to p2w then let slip a possible MC ammo integration WITHOUT going into details.

I have no doubt PGI would follow suit with their change of 'consumables' (cbills + GXP = the MC equiv), but that was NEVER THE POINT.

Keep your mouth shut until you're ready to LAY EVERYTHING OUT.

Edited by Krellek, 21 March 2013 - 02:13 AM.

[M4rtyr]

Wingbreaker, on 21 March 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

I submit that you're feeding someone desperately seeking attention, and feeling cool because you're in 'the crowd.' I also submit that this is a childish reaction without an ounce of actual logic or desire to understand the intentions of the devs.

This isn't a discussion, it's a lynch mob.

Who cares about the devs intentions... no its not been confirmed or anything but its not been denied either and this 'rumor' was posted publicly from a MWO official account. So until told otherwise this is the new official stance. Hell Paul was reading this thread for a while earlier too. If it was totally baseless he might have shut it down then.

Anyway as for the who cares about their intentions. People have payed based on the opposite of this development. So their intentions are meaningless compared to the expectations already in the bank.

[Tarman]

jakucha, on 21 March 2013 - 01:53 AM, said:

I never said I wanted third person in the game. I've said a few times I don't want it, but as well a twitter post made by an anonymous PGI employee doesn't actually confirm we're getting it.

We're not saying this is a fact. We are saying that this is a poor poor statement to make whether it is true or false.

A ) This is a true statement. That kills this game dead for many of the people who paid into this game in the first place. It leads to the inevitable slow poptarting death that all previous MP incarnations of this game suffered from. It leads to badmouthing of the company's reputation as a group that doesn't deliver what's on the box they sell.

B ) This is a false statement across the board. That shows PGI's public relations department does not know how to do basic PR. It also shows a disregard for their playerbase if the public face of the company is in the habit of trolling their own community. This also is bad for the company's overall reputation if they have no control over their PR department.

C ) This is a false statement in that 3PV will only be part of some training mode. That shows that PGI has no control over their messaging and has poor internal communication. The least damaging of the three options since it doesn't affect the game proper, but still bad in the context of community relations and faith in their ability to deliver.

Note carefully how none of these options is a good thing.

Edited for inadvertent smiley appearance.

Edited by Tarman, 21 March 2013 - 02:16 AM.

[Wingbreaker]

Thirdstar, on 21 March 2013 - 02:10 AM, said:

So what is the intention of the Dev in regards to 3rd person?

Also I've heard Galaxy called a LOT of things but that's not one of them. He's actually one of 'you'.

Again, Us vs Them. You certainly are persecuted, aren't you?

I don't know what the intention of the devs in regards to 3rd person are, but I would say that an examination of their actions suggests no intention to "bait and switch" or some such sinister machinations. On the contrary, we have seen multiple times that their reaction to the community's desires have been to adjust to what we want. Further, that we have evidence of their attempts to expand the game at a basic level for those who are new to it without FORCING the changes upon everyone.

So when the forums decide that they were doing it all along, and THEY KNEW BETTER, I have to ask, "What proof do you have?" I see plenty of evidence to suggest that the case is otherwise. Why is this a foregone conclusion that PGI wants to **** you over?

PGI wouldn't have been able to make the game without the community pitching in. You really need to stretch to assume that they aren't directly aware of this when they've said as much. The hilarity of the thread, really, is that often we see people trying to turn their words on them.

But really, they just seem to have forgotten how to english.

M4rtyr, on 21 March 2013 - 02:14 AM, said:

Who cares about the devs intentions... no its not been confirmed or anything but its not been denied either and this 'rumor' was posted publicly from a MWO official account. So until told otherwise this is the new official stance. Hell Paul was reading this thread for a while earlier too. If it was totally baseless he might have shut it down then.

Anyway as for the who cares about their intentions. People have payed based on the opposite of this development. So their intentions are meaningless compared to the expectations already in the bank.

lol, logic.

Krellek, on 21 March 2013 - 02:12 AM, said:

How can we understand intentions when no intentions were laid out?

The 'theme' of this thread if you will, is one of gross error yet again from the PR standpoint.

We have zero to go off of with the exception that PGI said NO to p2w then let slip a possible MC ammo integration WITHOUT going into details.

I have no doubt PGI would follow suit with their change of 'consumables' (cbills + GXP = the MC equiv), but that was NEVER THE POINT.

Keep your mouth shut until you're ready to LAY EVERYTHING OUT.

No intentions were laid out, yet I've seen Paul's posts linked in this thread several times.

Again, which are they? Incompetents or master conspirators?

[Writer]

Krellek, on 21 March 2013 - 02:12 AM, said:

How can we understand intentions when no intentions were laid out?

The 'theme' of this thread if you will, is one of gross error yet again from the PR standpoint.

We have zero to go off of with the exception that PGI said NO to p2w then let slip a possible MC ammo integration WITHOUT going into details.

I have no doubt PGI would follow suit with their change of 'consumables' (cbills + GXP = the MC equiv), but that was NEVER THE POINT.

For all the Command Chair posts, PGI does jack to actually communicate with the community. We all have a number of crucial questions on our minds, and PGI is dodging them at every opportunity.

1) When will the game actually receive the critical features we were promised last year? "Soon" is not an answer.

2) Why was the 5 million from the founders program used to pay for MW:T instead of MWO and more employees? Fans donated in good faith that their money was going to support MWO.

3) Where is the concept art, and why has there been no advertising for MWO? Why is there no booth presence at PAX or GDC?

4) Why is PGI so terrible at posting information on their website? Throughought MWO's history there have been a number of cases where announcements and content have been revealed through third party sources before PGI's own page.

5) Have the goals established in the PC Gamer interview been abandoned?

6) Why is there so little information on Community Warfare? Everyone is freaking out that it'll just be a copy of World of Tanks, and in desperate need of contrary information stating otherwise.

p.s. The immense contradictions coming out over Consumables and rumors of Golden Ammo have undermined what was left of PGI's credibility. Why the sudden change in attitude?

Edited by Rhenis, 21 March 2013 - 02:23 AM.

[Mazzyplz]

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On the contrary, we have seen multiple times that their reaction to the community's desires have been to adjust to what we want.

after we had to drill "what we want" into their heads with a jackhammer

[Gaan Cathal]

Wingbreaker, on 21 March 2013 - 02:17 AM, said:

But really, they just seem to have forgotten how to english.

You're right! How could we possible have got "3POV will be in" from that?

I mean it can completely be 'coming soon' if it's not happening can't it?

That's a logically sound reading isn't it?

That the thing that isn't happening is 'coming soon'.

Or. The thing that is 'coming soon' is ergo happening.

That thing is 3POV.

So 3POV is happening.

So there's a thread about 3POV happening now. Because they've said (see above) 3POV is happening.

There is not another interpretation of that permitted by the English language and rules of reasonable discourse.

[Krellek]

Wingbreaker, on 21 March 2013 - 02:18 AM, said:

No intentions were laid out, yet I've seen Paul's posts linked in this thread several times.

Again, which are they? Incompetents or master conspirators?

Exactly, although history shows the former is far more likely.

There is a reason PR firms gross millions world wide.

[Mechrophilia]

3rd person view allows players to see over hills and around corners. I don't like that.

[Wingbreaker]

Mazzyplz, on 21 March 2013 - 02:22 AM, said:

after we had to drill "what we want" into their heads with a jackhammer

I would suggest that those threads had actual discussion and were being moderated to remove the ridiculous noise, while this one is not. Again, as I said, this is a lynch mob. There is little to no actual discussion of the issues at hand, you are merely attempting to prove yourself by saying you knew better.

So what do you say when you sit down and actually think about it, hm? What evidence do you have that they're trying to **** you over? This is a business and PGI is beholden to certain parties. One of these parties is the community. Another is the pocketbook.

If their intention is to include 3PV in the future, and they have stated this, but have also stated that they are examining (EG: They are not comfortable with it yet) it for the far future why are we lynching them for our experiences in (for example) MW4? This is the slippery slope that we've been over a few times before, and just like before it's nothing more than a fallacy.

Edited by Wingbreaker, 21 March 2013 - 02:32 AM.

[EarlGrey83]

If they´d really put 1.person in the game I´d get so emotional to not unlock its checkbox under options and stay in 3.person!

[M4rtyr]

Whats there to discuss, most of the active community during this period is very much against 3rd person because it simply doesn't fit this type of game.

It's not a discussion its a protest to the devs against this possibility.

[Mazzyplz]

Wingbreaker, on 21 March 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

I would suggest that those threads had actual discussion and were being moderated to remove the ridiculous noise, while this one is not. Again, as I said, this is a lynch mob. There is little to no actual discussion of the issues at hand, you are merely attempting to prove yourself by saying you knew better.

So what do you say when you sit down and actually think about it, hm? What evidence do you have that they're trying to **** you over? This is a business and PGI is beholden to certain parties. One of these parties is the community. Another is the pocketbook.

If their intention is to include 3PV in the future, and they have stated this, but have also stated that they are examining (EG: They are not comfortable with it yet) it for the far future why are we lynching them for our experiences in (for example) MW4? This is the slippery slope that we've been over a few times before, and just like before it's nothing more than a fallacy.

it's quite simple; this is a direct quote:

"MechWarrior Online is being designed to put you the player in the seat of the pilot. It is 100% first person view only. Being the pilot is one of our key design pillars and 3rd person breaks that pillar on multiple levels as seen in many of the other 3rd Person discussions."
-paul inouye

he said right after that they would "investigate" the possibility of 3rd person (check the quote yourself) for the FAR FUTURE (like you said), not "SOON" like that tweet would lead you to believe.

[Wingbreaker]

Mazzyplz, on 21 March 2013 - 02:35 AM, said:

it's quite simple; this is a direct quote:

"MechWarrior Online is being designed to put you the player in the seat of the pilot. It is 100% first person view only. Being the pilot is one of our key design pillars and 3rd person breaks that pillar on multiple levels as seen in many of the other 3rd Person discussions."
-paul inouye

he said right after that they would "investigate" the possibility of 3rd person (check the quote yourself) for the FAR FUTURE (like you said), not "SOON" like that tweet would lead you to believe.

You must be new to the gaming industry. Have you never heard of Valve Time?

Edit: ****, I'm at 666 posts. NO MOAR POSTS.

Edited by Wingbreaker, 21 March 2013 - 02:38 AM.

[Budor]

Although i voted "no" in the original poll i am not to concerned. This is one of those things that if done right isnt to much of an advantage (disable free-look) but might pull in new players.

[Ilwrath]

Mechrophilia, on 21 March 2013 - 02:27 AM, said:

3rd person view allows players to see over hills and around corners. I don't like that.

The worst thing about it is that it will force everybody to use it or you got a disadvantage compared to those that use it.

Add WoT auto aim and you will have lights farting around, focusing 100% on the driving, while they land hit after hit.

Edited by Ilwrath, 21 March 2013 - 02:37 AM.

[Mazzyplz]

Wingbreaker, on 21 March 2013 - 02:36 AM, said:

You must be new to the gaming industry. Have you never heard of Valve Time?

indeed. i was born just yesterday, in the evening in fact

Edited by Mazzyplz, 21 March 2013 - 02:37 AM.