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[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Zynk, on 29 March 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

You will have the following options as a player:

• Play against 1st and 3rd person players.
  
• Play against 3rd person players only.
  
• Play against 1st person players only.

I'm one of the NO 3rd person people because IMO my only options to play will be choices 1 & 2 and if as I fear that will happen it will make sad & mad because I will have to find another game to play.


It comes down to perception why should I gimp myself when 3rd person gives me an advantage. It is that type of attitude which will kill the 1st person and make the game unplayable for people like me.

and me but we're all minorities.
BUT they ask that minority how it should be implimented.
thats just off to me. We get no say in whether or not it gets put in the game BECAUSE we are the minority, BUT at the same time they ask the minority they dont want chiming in on IF this game should have 3pv, HOW they should implement it.

[Gremlich Johns]

I have one question:

When Community Warfare comes out, will it only be in 1st Person View?

[Valentyn]

Gremlich Johns, on 29 March 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

I have one question:

When Community Warfare comes out, will it only be in 1st Person View?

Of course not.

They might claim it will be now, then they'll allow 3rd and 1st person views to all play together. Going back on their word, and claiming it was only their position at the time.

Edited by Valentyn, 29 March 2013 - 02:39 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Gremlich Johns, on 29 March 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

I have one question:

When Community Warfare comes out, will it only be in 1st Person View?

and will we have to pay to play it?

[Alois Hammer]

Gremlich Johns, on 29 March 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

I have one question:

When Community Warfare comes out, will it only be in 1st Person View?

Maybe, for just long enough that they can claim they stuck to "their view at the time" that 1pv and 3pv would never play together. Then the effect of splitting the player base (which, you know, they said was a bad idea when it was suggested about pre-mades/PUGs) will become clear, and to stop that fiasco they'll lump'em all together.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Alois Hammer, on 29 March 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

Maybe, for just long enough that they can claim they stuck to "their view at the time" that 1pv and 3pv would never play together. Then the effect of splitting the player base (which, you know, they said was a bad idea when it was suggested about pre-mades/PUGs) will become clear, and to stop that fiasco they'll lump'em all together.

look at the OP. they failed that test in that post even when the OP said thered be the "option" to play 1pv and 3rd pv mixed

[Cur]

3rd person will be good as it will shut up alot of people bitching that they want it.

As a raven pilot who may have been interested in this feature for making navigating easier when weaving through buildings on river city..... i'll pass and stick to 1st person thanks! even if you provide free barf bags!

It also seems to handicap you quite serverly with the UI and whenever you approach another object (mechs, building, hill) it's going to zoom in the camera so you can look for nicks in your mechs paintjob to complain to the mechbay crew too later.


3rd/1st person FW could be worked out easily, force 1match 1st another 3rd, but this would just screw the 1st person players as they would not know how to play with a handicapped UI and forced motion sickness. But hey, PGI's been so good on going back on what they say, chances are 3rd person will have the exact same functionality as 1st without any handicaps in no time!

[Heeden]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 29 March 2013 - 08:51 AM, said:

Yeah and the ONLY way to fix this is to introduce 3rd person, not tile the up/down of the torsos so you can shoot then yourself (and you know, shoot down hills and make gaining the high ground a BENEFIT in this game instead of a liability).
OR stand with a group so they can shoot the ******, OR stand by a wall so he CANT get behind you. But those are already in game and Im guessing youve discounted using in game tactics as per sig.

I meant the leg-humping light would benefit just as much, if not more, than the larger mech it is harassing. The tactics you mention are equally valid for any view-point.

MWHawke, on 29 March 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

- HOW do these ideas make the game less intimidating?

• Camera is locked horizontally to the torso. This is not a peek around corners mode.
  
• Camera is locked vertically to the torso, you can only look up and down as far as your torso can.
  
• When approaching cover (to rocks/building etc), the camera pulls IN so FoV is greatly reduced when standing close to something.

- If you are talking about locking the view and giving an up-close view, then the intimidated players will still be unable to see their legs to help them torso twist or whatever justification is given for 3PV.

If you can see the hips you can still see your direction of travel. The limitation should be good for mixed-views as it will encourage the player to switch in to 1.p.v. more often but it may be too much for 3.p.v. only.

Zynk, on 29 March 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

You will have the following options as a player:

• Play against 1st and 3rd person players.
  
• Play against 3rd person players only.
  
• Play against 1st person players only.

I'm one of the NO 3rd person people because IMO my only options to play will be choices 1 & 2 and if as I fear that will happen it will make sad & mad because I will have to find another game to play.


It comes down to perception why should I gimp myself when 3rd person gives me an advantage. It is that type of attitude which will kill the 1st person and make the game unplayable for people like me.

Why would 1.p.v. gimp you if you are playing against other people with the same limitation?

If C-Bill and XP rewards were significantly higher for 1.p.v. only would you still feel compelled to play in 3.p.v. or mixed mode?

What if only 1.p.v. had a bearing on community warfare?

[MWHawke]

Heeden, on 29 March 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

If you can see the hips you can still see your direction of travel. The limitation should be good for mixed-views as it will encourage the player to switch in to 1.p.v. more often but it may be too much for 3.p.v. only.

They already can't tell the difference even WITH an indicator bar, auto-centering of body to leg and leg to body, and the mini map indicator. You are asking them to look at the HIP??!?

[Heeden]

MWHawke, on 29 March 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

They already can't tell the difference even WITH an indicator bar, auto-centering of body to leg and leg to body, and the mini map indicator. You are asking them to look at the HIP??!?

As the hip will probably be in or near the middle of the screen, coupled with the fact it's also moving to attract attention and generally has a distinct shape at different angles I'd say the hip is a far more obvious indicator than a faint yellow line or triangle positioned away from the action.

[Caleb Lee]

Coolant, on 28 March 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

IF all of the die-hard 1st Person players that have either posted or voted in all these notorious threads/polls played Mercs (if you didn't how can you say you have supported the community the last 10 years?), then why weren't the majority of players playing in 1st Person only servers? Why was there empty 1st Person only servers? Why were there at times a complete absence of 1st Person only servers? And, the main question: Why were the overwhelming majority of players in 3rd Person servers? There is your demographics...

Apparently you weren't playing in any real leagues like NBT where the good players were. Those were the ones modding and supporting the community at large for the most part, had metagame with strategy and so on...

If you wanted random 3rd person view cheese sniper matches with unlimited ammo, no heat then yeah. There are hacks (crutches) for FPS too but I've never used any.

[FaceRipt]

Jestun, on 29 March 2013 - 08:30 AM, said:

I wonder if this would still be happening if there wasn't another more arcadey 3rd person mech game being developed at the same time by a different company?

uggh, i know right Hawken what garbage, i played that before i found out MWO was in the works, i got bored pretty fast as it was too arcade and felt like i was trying to play a first person shooter rather than a game about mech combat. I was disturbed when the coolant flush showed, I was like copy hawken much. I love the challange and feel of MWO the way it is , and if pgi originally saw it that way, it was for the best there is a reason it's 1pv. We know it, pgi knows it, heck you even know it. If you want arcade the game already exists, leave this game alone with your 3pv. PGI STAY TRUE TO THE GAME AND YOURSELVES.

Edited by FaceRipt, 29 March 2013 - 10:03 PM.

[MWHawke]

Heeden, on 29 March 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

As the hip will probably be in or near the middle of the screen, coupled with the fact it's also moving to attract attention and generally has a distinct shape at different angles I'd say the hip is a far more obvious indicator than a faint yellow line or triangle positioned away from the action.

How can it be in the middle or near the middle of the screen? Screen is supposed to be locked on the upper body of the Mech.

[Death Mallet]

If you're moving ahead with 3rd person just do it.

Don't split the player base with your "play only this type of opponent" option.

90% of people will continue to play anyway, despite what they post on the forum. Just do it, take the (small) hit to the player base, and move on.

[Dalinor Frostreaver]

Go ahead and put it in the game, but for the love of all, do NOT segment the player base. That is just not a good idea.

[EvilCow]

Yes go ahead, all you have to lose is the irrelevant "core community" but think to all the vast masses just waiting for 3PV to give MWO a try.

[MWHawke]

It's funny how you WANT community feedback but can't take it like a man.

[Valentyn]

MWHawke, on 30 March 2013 - 12:20 AM, said:

It's funny how you WANT community feedback but can't take it like a man.

Quite true. I really enjoy the game, hell I became a legendary founder as soon as I saw I could. Just to support it.

I've also recently started getting friends to play the game, I mentioned 3rd person view to them, without even showing or telling them about previous MW titles using it. They all said it sounds bad, and that it will add an unfair advantage to people using it.

These chaps are barely out of Trial mechs and understand this.


I really hope PGI can find a way to make it work, but I do not like how they are going back on things they have previously stated.

Even yesterday on everyone's favourite desert map people were talking about using CoolShots because it's the only way to stay cool on it....

Edited by Valentyn, 30 March 2013 - 01:32 AM.

[Heeden]

MWHawke, on 29 March 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:

How can it be in the middle or near the middle of the screen? Screen is supposed to be locked on the upper body of the Mech.

The upper body of the mech is attached to the hip.

[Alois Hammer]

Maybe their latest press releases can shed some light, and 3PV will be like their mumblings about Merc Corps: 3PV available only as long as you maintain a Premium account.