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[PANZERBUNNY]

Olivia Maybach, on 22 March 2013 - 08:55 AM, said:

Source?

Playing the game in various forms since I was 8?

Even with this game, the early days of LRMS dictated combat and its flow. When brawling took charge, things became fairly stupid.

LRMS promote more use of tactics for BOTH sides instead of promoting a speedy rush into the enemy, circle each other, explode, start another match.

LRMS are the artillery of Btech.(Apart from the actual big guns.)

Artillery dictated approachs and the flow of battle during WW2 and other conflicts. Apply the same principles. Take arty away from the Germans and Russians and it degerates into running at each other guns blazing. It keeps the game "honest" in how it plays out.

LRMS were stupid crazy, They are being fixed. I just hope they aren't neutered.

[Sabazial]

Mycrus, on 22 March 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

non-founder, i didn't spend my life savings on my $120 gold badge...

i can and i will spend more to support games that i love...

If you'd actually listened to what i was saying i meant the initial founders purchase and money spent afterwards. Just because you're happy to throw continual funds at games doesn't mean everyone else is happy to. I missed the founder program btw but have spent money on the game.

The point i was putting across is a lot of the posts threatening to stop paying are people that have probably spent as much or close to the amount they'd have spent anyway so PGI won't care if they threaten to stop spending. People that constantly throw hundreds of dollars at games are in the minority.

Also add the fact that PGI are doing full U-turns on promises they made at the start of MW:O and even the most loyal of people are going to stop spending. But linking everything you've spent cash on like it makes you better than others only shows you have disposable income, so why post it like it's some kind of achievement?

[Grus]

Thirdstar, on 22 March 2013 - 08:08 AM, said:

People like Syllogy scare me. That kind of blind Fanboy worship is what religions are made of.

THE MW IP MUST.....NOT.......FAIL!
I WILL GIVE MY ALL TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T.

Scary man, scary.

thank you for your opinion, and welcome to the 7th target list. Have a nice day.

[Mycrus]

Belphegore, on 22 March 2013 - 09:16 AM, said:

If you'd actually listened to what i was saying i meant the initial founders purchase and money spent afterwards. Just because you're happy to throw continual funds at games doesn't mean everyone else is happy to. I missed the founder program btw but have spent money on the game. The point i was putting across is a lot of the posts threatening to stop paying are people that have probably spent as much or close to the amount they'd have spent anyway so PGI won't care if they threaten to stop spending. People that constantly throw hundreds of dollars at games are in the minority. Also add the fact that PGI are doing full U-turns on promises they made at the start of MW:O and even the most loyal of people are going to stop spending. But linking everything you've spent cash on like it makes you better than others only shows you have disposable income, so why post it like it's some kind of achievement?

don't take it personally, i'm just a troll looking at a boy and asking him to love me...

Edited by Mycrus, 22 March 2013 - 09:23 AM.

[R Hauer]

Well for all you dissilusioned bittervets out there who feel singularly disappointed by PGI's design choices so far there may in fact be a player like myself to offset you. I started playing in January, don't care about ECM, don't give a crap about consumables, could take or leave 3rd person, don't have a litany of betrayals to call up in every thread. I just enjoy the game, and have spent about 40$ so far. Not founders type money, but I plan to spend more and hey, you just said you arent arent going to buy any more MC anyway. So maybe you should pass the torch to the new guard and embrace your new pubbie overlords.

[Sabazial]

@Mycrus, i don't understand how you guys aren't beyond pissed though, after buying into a game they sold to you then having them reneg on everything they promised wouldn't make it into the game?

[PANZERBUNNY]

Belphegore, on 22 March 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

@Mycrus, i don't understand how you guys aren't beyond pissed though, after buying into a game they sold to you then having them reneg on everything they promised wouldn't make it into the game?

^^^^

And people saying they will "take up the forch" are either apatehtic flops who take what's given to them OR will eventually become jaded enough if they decide to pay close attention to what's happening with the game....and start getting frustrated.

Not caring about consumables or 3rd person means you are giving them a green light to push taboo features even further.


NOW, when CW happens, if you had to protect certain planets with "consumable factories" to even enable the access to replenish them when used.....that I find interesting and would change my stance.

Protect your territory or lose "luxury" features.

Seems like a bold thing to do. Fate favours the bold though so I think it would be great.

Edited by PANZERBUNNY, 22 March 2013 - 09:30 AM.

[zverofaust]

Ignatz22, on 22 March 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

Sir;

I disagree, and if that is what Marketing is telling the Developers, then they truly aren't listening. How many Founders want CLAN MECHS?? How many core players are anxiously awaiting the Orion, the Highlander, and other mechs down the line? Look at all the Jaegermechs purchased the day of they were introduced, and the CBills spent outfitting them!

Yeah? All of those are easily afforded by the massive wallets of most of you.

Just answer me this: How many C-Bills do you have?

[Mycrus]

Grus, on 22 March 2013 - 09:17 AM, said:

thank you for your opinion, and welcome to the 7th target list. Have a nice day.

am i on the list now?

oh, wait... we are actually having a mature conversation on ngng TS3

R Hauer, on 22 March 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

Well for all you dissilusioned bittervets out there who feel singularly disappointed by PGI's design choices so far there may in fact be a player like myself to offset you. I started playing in January, don't care about ECM, don't give a crap about consumables, could take or leave 3rd person, don't have a litany of betrayals to call up in every thread. I just enjoy the game, and have spent about 40$ so far. Not founders type money, but I plan to spend more and hey, you just said you arent arent going to buy any more MC anyway. So maybe you should pass the torch to the new guard and embrace your new pubbie overlords.

i'll lolcatz so you can understand...

MAH TEARS R NOT 4 3PV OR DAT ISH...

IM UPSET BOUT ALL TEH DOUBLE TALK DAT IZ GOIN ON...

[Sabazial]

Well judging by Bryan's posts, 3rd person is here to stay whether we agree or not, lets just hope it stops there and after this they finish community warfare etc.

[Whompity]

PANZERBUNNY, on 22 March 2013 - 09:16 AM, said:

Playing the game in various forms since I was 8?

I'm sorry, lots of people here have; that's a push, and it's anecdotal, to boot. I've played lots of TT as well.

LRMs were not as powerful in TT as they are in MWO, even now, IMHO. They were inaccurate and got badly hampered by cover, which frankly, was more plentiful on most boards than in MWO. They did not "home" at all. The big discussion was "geez, how can missiles be this bad when RL rocket tech is actually BETTER?"

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Artillery dictated approachs and the flow of battle during WW2 and other conflicts. Apply the same principles. Take arty away from the Germans and Russians and it degerates into running at each other guns blazing. It keeps the game "honest" in how it plays out.

I'm not sure how that applies to this fictional universe... To agree with you I'd have to equate LRM's to artillery, which I think they're a pretty poor analogy of. Maybe artillery up to the 1800's, that's about it. (Smoothbore cannons placed relatively close to the action).

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LRMS were stupid crazy, They are being fixed. I just hope they aren't neutered.

On that we agree.

Edited by Olivia Maybach, 22 March 2013 - 09:34 AM.

[Kelito]

Ok, so I have read 85% of the posts and here is what I see/think/believe...Bear with me here

ALL of the players have something they don't like about the game, me included, there are some things that should change/be fixed.
ALL of the players are feeling like they are being duped and that they have spent real money for something and they now have nothing.

Ok...Remember that this is business! Big business actually. PGI/IGP, I love typing that, are only beholden to their investors, period! They are going to tell everyone what they can to keep them coming back and playing/paying for stuff. You ignore this fact to your own peril...

No changes are made without massive outcry... and by a community of players that stick together to show both their disappointment and their adulation. Without that, PGI/IGP will continue to tell YOU one thing while working on what their investors want, which is money plain and simple.

We, the players, keep coming back and play, on the off chance that PGI/IGP is going to do what they tell us they are going to do...So far, they have not, but we, the players are a gullible bunch, we believe in the game and how it COULD be, and we keep coming back and spending money, no matter how small, to keep the game fun for us. THEY, lay back and say to them selves, what can we spin this week to keep them coming back?

Hate on it all you want, but this is the basis of all big business, keep them spending money on our product without giving them what they want or giving them something that is cheaper and makes us more money. Keep the investors happy first, then if we can sneak something in, then they will keep coming back.

I keep coming back. I really enjoy THIS game, at least right now. I want to see it succeed as much as the next fanatic, and I am guilty of spending real money on this game, and being disappointed when PGI/IGP, see I told you I like typing that, goes back on what they said to us. But the truth is, I am a gamer, of sorts, and I will keep coming back and playing because the game CAN be great. We just have to take what is happening in context. Remember, we do not pay their salaries, the investors do, and the person signing the check is WAY more important that the person on the other side of the keyboard.

Ok, let the boyish night poundings begin...

Edited by Kelito, 22 March 2013 - 09:36 AM.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Again, turning on their word on features that many people had as a "breaking point."

Maybe it will be a module slot that acts as an extra sensor pod, enable the 3rd person view?

If it's just a "click this button to look at your cool camo and over hills to pop tart"....

*Groans*

[Mycrus]

Belphegore, on 22 March 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

@Mycrus, i don't understand how you guys aren't beyond pissed though, after buying into a game they sold to you then having them reneg on everything they promised wouldn't make it into the game?

i have no issues with 3PV, coolant flush, etc. etc. etc. ECM...

i have no founder's regret... i played the game since september -- never have i played a single game for that long a time (well except back in the 80s... http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Starflight)... i got my money's worth and then some more...

what i am is upset that they DOUBLE TALK...

this is a fundamental TRUST issue...

Edited by Mycrus, 22 March 2013 - 09:37 AM.

[Dustein]

Gallowglas, on 22 March 2013 - 07:56 AM, said:

Isn't that essentially the same philosophical stance as asking for a refund because they introduced a map or game mode (which is optional, mind you) that you didn't like?

Incorrect.

Using your example: it would be the same philosophical stance as asking for a refund because a company I have funded has breached there own mission statement.

[Vassago Rain]

Sifright, on 22 March 2013 - 09:14 AM, said:

you would think so but by all account dem whales will keep on giving regardless look at the dude earlier in the thread.

Some people really are that fanatical about battletech :|

That's not a whale, but a crazy person. Whales are more like Joseph, who simply asks for something REALLY BASIC, like actual objectives, and then they'll keep giving loads o money. Tradtionally, stabbing your whales in the back like this leads to seriously serious bad things, and this thread is just the first of those.

I don't know, man. I never made a game in my life, but if I did, I'd be milking my whales, and using their money to make the game better, so I can get even more people into it. I'd want it to be a good game, enjoyable by all, but I'd take special care to meet the whales' little needs, because money's money, and I can't imagine it'd be that hard to stick to your promises.

Right? Guess not.

Belphegore, on 22 March 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

Well judging by Bryan's posts, 3rd person is here to stay whether we agree or not, lets just hope it stops there and after this they finish community warfare etc.

They won't. We were supposed to have community warfare in january, dropship before conquest, conquest was supposed to have actual bases and cool stuff, like control towers, defenses, and so on, and we'd be getting the clans right now.

But we're not, and no one has any reason to take them at their word anymore.

[Slater01]

Mycrus, on 22 March 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

incoming rant post... my 1st

http://mwomercs.com/...095-3rd-person/

because of the above - i don't trust PGI anymore.

and since i don't trust PGI anymore -- i'm not going support PGI anymore...

i've spent $120 + $100 + change on MC...

i was thinking of adding some cash to get the new goodies (X5, etc. etc.) - but now i'm holding my wallet.

i don't have issue with [insert gripe here about ECM/consumables/3PV/etc.] -- i've enjoyed the game and spent a lot of time on it... (43 mechs and counting)...

i do have issues with DOUBLE TALK -- and until this ends, PGI will not see a penny from me..

and btw IGP - i was about to go legendary founder for MW:T, but i just don't TRUST you anymore..

Peace,
Mycrus
Luddite-in-Chief

ps. TRUST IS CONSUMABLE...

EDIT: country grammer

I just don't get it.
I don't see where PGI has double talked. Every since the idea first came up, the idea is still the same. I remember the podcast with Russ (Oct 2012), and what he said back then is what has taken shape now. So your rant is lost on me.

[Mycrus]

Vassago Rain, on 22 March 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

I never made a game in my life, but if I did, I'd be milking my whales, and using their money to make the game better, so I can get even more people into it. I'd want it to be a good game, enjoyable by all, but I'd take special care to meet the whales' little needs, because money's money, and I can't imagine it'd be that hard to stick to your promises. Right?

Oh Vass, you can milk me anytime and in as many ways as you want...

[Kelito]

Vassago Rain, on 22 March 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

I don't know, man. I never made a game in my life, but if I did, I'd be milking my whales, and using their money to make the game better, so I can get even more people into it. I'd want it to be a good game, enjoyable by all, but I'd take special care to meet the whales' little needs, because money's money, and I can't imagine it'd be that hard to stick to your promises.

Right? Guess not.

Because their promises to you are contrary to their promises to their investors/backers...

[Sabazial]

Vassago Rain, on 22 March 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

They won't. We were supposed to have community warfare in january, dropship before conquest, conquest was supposed to have actual bases and cool stuff, like control towers, defenses, and so on, and we'd be getting the clans right now.

But we're not, and no one has any reason to take them at their word anymore.

Sad but true.