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[Shumabot]

Takony, on 25 March 2013 - 07:31 AM, said:

AC/40 Jagers are not a real surprise: all missiles are nerfed hard, including the SRM-s that were used extensively for brawling (HBK-SP, CN9-A, Splatcats, 3xSRM6/4 Atlai, C4 SRM Cats, Trebuchet, SRM Stalker, SRM Awesomes, etc), and given the way lasers work in this game (have to hold them on target to deal full damage, not exactly bursty), so if one wants to be effective in PVP, one looks for the highest pinpoint burst damage possible in the current meta-game.
The obvious choices are the largest ballistics or PPC-s, so now the battlefield is swarmed by AC20 and PPC/Gauss mechs. LBX-10 still underwhelming.

Many mechs also have only energy and missile hardpoints, which at this moment until the missiles are tuned again, limits their efficiency, unless they can field a LOT of lasers, while keeping cool.

Damage over time (UAC-5, lasers) is risky/riskier, since it increases the exposure of the mech and/or the time while one could avoid/spread damage by hiding/torso-twisting.

Unimaginative? Well, as long as burst damage is king, you will build your mechs around the same working weapon configurations, yes, while trying to discover more viable builds.

So yes, we have to adapt and reconfigure the loadouts again, as always, until the meta-game changes again.

It'd be nice if the designers took the idea that burst damage is legitimately superior to sustained damage into account when balancing weapons. It'd be nice if they took anything into account when balancing weapons. That the SRM was doing 12x its posted damage which was already more than it should have been for six months with no designer looking at it speaks to the fact that they don't. We're just going to have to live with it.

[armyof1]

Haven't tried AC40-Jager yet, might when I get a DD so I have the XL260 I can use for it. Right now I'm liking my AC30-Jager, 2ML and XL300, I think it's more versatile and still packs a good punch. Don't have to worry as much about ammo with the AC10, so I can fire more longer range shots with it.

[Zero Neutral]

liku, on 25 March 2013 - 06:05 AM, said:

Yes, sometime this is a pack of 8 of them sync dropping in the tunnel!

• Like rats, they like closed and cramped place like tunnel.
  
• Like rats, tey pack and swarm.
  
• Their bit is venomous and you'll die quick it you dont treat the wound properly.

The only solution, like against all nuisible, is to destroy them


So this is a non-ranting post (and off course useless) but i wanted to point that similarity.

I was out of the game for some time, and i discivered this..and then i realised they were not Medium but assault Heavy class

And i'm learning to deal with them, it's fun!


I ran against 6 of them in the tunnel (they really like Frozen Colony.... but on Alpine... they feel like popcorn )

the best i came up, was to fight, torso twisting like a mad man, full stalker armor plus XL engine helped a bit , i almost cored 2 before going... and instead of fleeing, i wanted to deal the more damage i could and make them FF the most, giving my team an oportunity to cleanse what was left outside....

finished with 4 assist (post-mortal off course) but it was great


I have to learn for their hitbox and armor stats, but i love them more than the splashcat (too fragile )


see you in the battlefield!




Come share your pestcontrol strategies

--- edit ---
put some sentence with bigger letter, corrected some mistakes.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOkkk....????

Making text larger does not a better point make.

[Zero Neutral]

PaintedWolf, on 25 March 2013 - 06:06 AM, said:

The next OP build, looks like we need another "hot fix"--- but first we need a 46 second video showing a bug.

Five people liked this? People think that this is OP? This is a normal build... with no bug... w.e

[LordBraxton]

liku, on 25 March 2013 - 06:57 AM, said:

I can't wait to see it!


thanks, corrected
I disagree, while i can sport 6 LPL alpha two time without coolan or do 18 shots in less than 20 sec rollingat 63.9kph and such a lovely heat efficiency
The note about the XL saved me was ironical
Nearly coring a mech is good for the team, if i know i will die too soon and will only at best finish one, i prefere to badly wound 4 while exposing my self less and assuring my team the kill ( 4 assists !! )


thanks, corrected

Unluckyly, many of the one i encountered werent using XL (alas, i soon as i blew one of their side torso.... that wasn't enough [not the tire] ) And why so few people put the ammo in the legs these days...


By the way this is again not a tread to whine about them, i love them... but with 60 Alpha... i really really should do better cooking £

XL in stalker and boating LPL

not sure if serious

Edited by LordBraxton, 25 March 2013 - 08:36 AM.

[armyof1]

Zero Neutral, on 25 March 2013 - 08:35 AM, said:

Five people liked this? People think that this is OP? This is a normal build... with no bug... w.e

Dude I think it's a joke

[Royalewithcheese]

The answer is still to shoot the ears, except it's the elephant ears and not the kitty ears this time around.

[Mazzyplz]

ac40 jager is indeed the newest cheese, pgi spent months in france to come up with this brand new kind of "fromage".

someone said take them on at range, lol?
they're as good at long range as they're facehugging you.

catapults had some shortcomings, jager is a lot smaller so you can't hit it so well at range, headshooting now it's next to impossible and their armor is really tough, need balancing.

[Teralitha]

Basically what I got from this topic was.....

The catapult K2 now has a twin?

Devs dont ya think ya need to be adding mechs for tonnages that we dont already have first?

45
55
75
90
95

Fill those gaps first, then add more of what we already have.

[Royalewithcheese]

Mazzyplz, on 25 March 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

catapults had some shortcomings, jager is a lot smaller so you can't hit it so well at range, headshooting now it's next to impossible and their armor is really tough, need balancing.

Haha you totally had me going until this part

[armyof1]

Mazzyplz, on 25 March 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

ac40 jager is indeed the newest cheese, pgi spent months in france to come up with this brand new kind of "fromage".

someone said take them on at range, lol?
they're as good at long range as they're facehugging you.

catapults had some shortcomings, jager is a lot smaller so you can't hit it so well at range, headshooting now it's next to impossible and their armor is really tough, need balancing.

I hope this is a joke because it's not hard at all to hit the Jager, whether CT or side torsos. The side torsos even have big fins sticking up so you can hit them from the sides!

Edited by armyof1, 25 March 2013 - 09:04 AM.

[Mazzyplz]

Royalewithcheese, on 25 March 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

Haha you totally had me going until this part

why? headshootin a cat is way easier? why make it harder for catapult pilots? are they not a lot wider too?

armor seems tougher too my srm6 can core most things given time (they're gimped beyond belief) except jagermechs, they just tank all srm like nothing; my guess is that they have 10 armor in the back only, but i don't think so either

to the guy above; yea they're easy to hit except at 1000m where they're smaller than a trebuchet, more slim than a cent.
and they can shoot back with a nasty sting.

good luck hitting in tourmaline where waist high rocks only expose their tiny guns

Edited by Mazzyplz, 25 March 2013 - 09:06 AM.

[Dishevel]

MadPanda, on 25 March 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

Wot? Reading a bit too much into my post, are we? Looks like you are bouncing your own aggressive feelings off my post. Calm down before you decide to post.

I am pointing out that your need to tell him he accomplished nothing by nearly coring 2 mechs while up against 12 AC/20s at close range is not nothing. It was rather good. For some reason though you felt the need to tell the OP how worthless his accomplishment was.

[hammerreborn]

Roadbuster, on 25 March 2013 - 07:29 AM, said:

NOOOOOO!
You said "s" word. Light mechs not like "s" word.
Light mechs not scout but brawl, brawl you know?

Honestly, I'd love if light mechs would do their job instead of playing "run around the Atlas".

On topic: I hate any type of boating. The sad thing is that you're not as effective (by far) if you run a loadout with a wider variation of weapons. Not to mention that it's alot harder to play with 5 different weapon systems compared to 1 or 2.

Kill the atlas faster for me and I can go elsewhere. I'm not about to run away from a LRM boat or an atlas exposing my back to long range weapons if I can stay in my circle of death eating him alive otherwise.

[armyof1]

Mazzyplz, on 25 March 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

to the guy above; yea they're easy to hit except at 1000m where they're smaller than a trebuchet, more slim than a cent.
and they can shoot back with a nasty sting

Ehm, I think you need to really have another look at their size man, no way are they smaller than a Treb. The only thing I can think of is that the Jager's arms are guns so they don't look as wide, but center mass sure is bigger than Trebs.

[FerretGR]

Mazzyplz, on 25 March 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

someone said take them on at range, lol?
they're as good at long range as they're facehugging you.

That's just not true. AC20 has a range of 270 and max range of 810. That means that if you're fighting under 270 you're getting the full impact, but if you're fighting at about 500 m or so they're as effective as AC10s, and if you can snipe them from 800 m out (something an ERPPC can easily do, for example), they're useless. Add to this their relatively low velocity, which makes them tricky to hit with at distances of 500 m or so, and you've got a weapon that's better handled at range.

[Royalewithcheese]

Mazzyplz, on 25 March 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

why? headshootin a cat is way easier? why make it harder for catapult pilots? are they not a lot wider too?

armor seems tougher too my srm6 can core most things given time (they're gimped beyond belief) except jagermechs, they just tank all srm like nothing; my guess is that they have 10 armor in the back only, but i don't think so either

SRMs got nerfed hardcore in the hotfix. They do 1.5 damage with minor splash now. Jagermechs still have a head the size of Nebraska, but they appear to have fixed the issue where missile splash damage was doing way too much damage to heads. This might be why you have observed Jagermechs being harder to kill with SRMs post-hotfix.

Mazzyplz, on 25 March 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

to the guy above; yea they're easy to hit except at 1000m where they're smaller than a trebuchet, more slim than a cent.
and they can shoot back with a nasty sting.

good luck hitting in tourmaline where waist high rocks only expose their tiny guns

Maybe the solution is to not engage them when they're in their optimal firing position?

[wonator]

PaintedWolf, on 25 March 2013 - 07:13 AM, said:

So I talked to one of the more prolific "Boating is OP" posters, and basically to fix the problem he/she suggested the following:

1- We have to get rid of double armor

2- Remove weapon convergence

3- Re-Adjust the Heat Scale

4- Nerf several weapons: SRMs, LRMs, MLs, PPCs and Gauss

5- Re-Make the Hardpoint system

6- Just for kicks, nerf ECM

Some very modest proposals.

Almost forgot: Change firing rates.

7- Add Urbanmech because anything else is already nerfed.

[Mazzyplz]

armyof1, on 25 March 2013 - 09:08 AM, said:

Ehm, I think you need to really have another look at their size man, no way are they smaller than a Treb. The only thing I can think of is that the Jager's arms are guns so they don't look as wide, but center mass sure is bigger than Trebs.

sure? maybe it's the lack of arms; we need a screenshot here

[Royalewithcheese]

Incidentally, I was worried I was wasting my Space Cell Phone Minutes on my Jagerbomb until I saw this thread full of rage at the AC40 Jagermechs. Thanks, forums!