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[hashinshin]

And I thought it was just lag or other until a mech with its leg broken moving maybe 15kph got slammed dead center with a PPC... for 0 damage.

Now I know it isn't just lag (and I long suspected that because my gauss rifle builds have no such problems) and the PPC is in fact just shooting for 0 damage very often. Not even a red cursor for hit confirmed.

[Marvyn Dodgers]

What range were you at? PPC damage drops off after you are within minimum range.

Edited by Marvyn Dodgers, 28 March 2013 - 03:29 PM.

[hashinshin]

Marvyn Dodgers, on 28 March 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

What range were you at? PPC damage drops off after you are within minimum range.

all ranges.

And a PPC fired at 10m will STILL trigger the red cusor, even if it's only doing 1 damage.

[Chavette]

I have it alot. The opposite also happens: per visual the ppc misses, but the damage gets done on him.

It will probably stay this way untill ballistic state rewind.

Edited by Chavette, 28 March 2013 - 03:33 PM.

[hashinshin]

Chavette, on 28 March 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

I have it alot. The opposite also happens: per visual the ppc misses, but the damage gets done on him.

It will probably stay this way untill ballistic state rewind.

yes but I've never seen stationary targets take no damage from my gauss, only ever from the PPC. And the amount of times it happens with the PPC is staggering.
My Hyper-Kurita Cataphract with 3 PPCs used to get 600+ damage by throwing up on my keyboard. Now I'm getting 400 damage if I'm lucky, and I attribute that entirely to these no-damage PPC shots.

Edited by hashinshin, 28 March 2013 - 03:31 PM.

[Chavette]

The problem is probably related that the ppc isnt a single point, its 0.20-0.25m in diameter so and it seems like the damage doesnt get dealt if the side of the shot hits him, only the center. But the hit indicator goes red when side of the shot hits him, even if you did no damage.

[hashinshin]

Chavette, on 28 March 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

The problem is probably related that the ppc isnt a single point, its 0.20-0.25m in diameter so and it seems like the damage doesnt get dealt if the side of the shot hits him, only the center. But the hit indicator goes red when side of the shot hits him, even if you did no damage.

I don' t think you understand.

I've been spamming PPCs on every mech I've owned since the buff. As a connoisseur of PPCs I can tell you something very real has changed, and PPCs are hitting unmoving targets dead center for 0 damage (and obviously doing 0 damage at other points too.)

It doesn't happen enough to notice it UNLESS you're playing as much as I am with PPCs and you see as many shots as I do slam in to targets that in no way could've missed and take 0 damage.

Yet the second I pop back in to my 2x gauss Jagermech-S instead of my 3x PPC Cataphract-1x all of the sudden no more issues. Both have the weapons in their arms. Both shoot at about the same projectile speed. Both are used for long range sniping.

There are two possible things that have changed.

A. I've started to use arm lock on my Cataphract so as to avoid the arm ballistics bug, but I really doubt that can be an issue.
B. PPC hit detection got bugged out by some other systems change and now it's on the fritz.

Edited by hashinshin, 28 March 2013 - 03:41 PM.

[Chavette]

Yeah, thats three bugs total we've collected this far, on one weapon...

[Vividos]

hashinshin, on 28 March 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

all ranges.

And a PPC fired at 10m will STILL trigger the red cusor, even if it's only doing 1 damage.

...except PPCs dont do 1 damage at 10m...they do 0 damage.
derp

edit: and the same thing DOES happen with ballstics. AND missles. cant tell you how many point blank shots with my srms have hit dead center and do no damage, no red reticule. it all started after they fixed lasers. go figure. (the say ballistics / missles were untouched but it was the same patch that borked them)

Edited by Vividos, 28 March 2013 - 03:49 PM.

[Edwyndham]

Happens to me a lot. It's VERY noticeable if you have it on a light/med mech (I have a ER PPC in a cicada, for example) and you're circle fighting another light, but I've also hit slow-moving assaults and had it do no damage. They even light up in the thermals but take no damage.

[hashinshin]

Vividos, on 28 March 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:

...except PPCs dont do 1 damage at 10m...they do 0 damage.
derp

PPCs do less damage from 90m to 0m. They do 1/2 damage at 45m.

How many ways can I say you're wrong except that "you're wrong!"

Oh right I Can say "derp."

Edited by hashinshin, 28 March 2013 - 03:50 PM.

[Vividos]

hashinshin, on 28 March 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

PPCs do less damage from 90m to 0m. They do 1/2 damage at 45m.

How many ways can I say you're wrong except that "you're wrong!"

Oh right I Can say "derp."

can you show me a video of someone dying from a ppc shot at 10m?

[hashinshin]

Vividos, on 28 March 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

can you show me a video of someone dying from a ppc shot at 10m?

not likely.

[raygun]

Vividos, on 28 March 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

can you show me a video of someone dying from a ppc shot at 10m?

i have died from a point blank ppc shot.

[Vite Ramen]

I've teamkilled a near-death friend (we were about to win anyway) while shooting him point-blank with a regular PPC. Didn't think it would damage him ;_;

[Carrioncrows]

PPC's and ERPPC's are this way for me

It's really hit and miss.

Some times i fee like I am rocking a full 10 dmg but most of the time I fee like I am hitting the guy for 2-5 dmg a ppc or seeing the visable result and not seeing the damage register. That happens to me a lot.

[hashinshin]

Carrioncrows, on 28 March 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

PPC's and ERPPC's are this way for me

It's really hit and miss.

Some times i fee like I am rocking a full 10 dmg but most of the time I fee like I am hitting the guy for 2-5 dmg a ppc or seeing the visable result and not seeing the damage register. That happens to me a lot.

the correct way to see if your hit registered is to check for if your cursor goes red, and then looking at your target's armor to see if any segments are flashing.

[Sephlock]

http://www.stlyrics....andthebeast.htm



Tale as old as time
True as it can be
Barely even used
Enemies amused
Unexpectedly

Just a little change
Small, to say the least
Still underpowered
Neither strong nor cool
Glitchy PPC

Ever just the same
Ever a surprise
Ever as before
Ever just as sure
As the sun will rise
Tale as old as time
Tune as old as song
Bittersweet and strange
Finding you can change
Learning you were wrong

Certain as the sun
Rising in the East
Tale as old as time
Song as old as rhyme
Glitchy PPC
Tale as old as time
Song as old as rhyme
Glitchy PPC.

---

Sorry, but as soon as I read this, I immediately thought of how long strange "no damage, or less damage than one would expect"* thing has been happening with PPCs, and then the (oh so applicable) lines "Tale as old as time, Song as old as rhyme" popped into my head...


*YES, EVEN ACCOUNTING FOR THE DAMN MIN RANGE, STOP BRINGING THAT UP.

Edited by Sephlock, 28 March 2013 - 04:11 PM.

[Aethon]

A couple times this week, I have been hit by a multi-PPC alpha strike, without taking any damage. One of them hit me directly below my cockpit, and in both cases, the damage indicator for my mech never even blinked.

[NRP]

PPCs (both types) are inconsistent, damage wise, in my experience. Sometimes they're great. Other times, it seems like they hardly do anything.