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[hammerreborn]

Ninja Thor, on 01 April 2013 - 07:02 AM, said:

Why in the world does PGI release info like this? In snippits across other websites and youtube videos? I know writing is hard but would it kill you to release a command chair post saying we will be doing X, Y, and Z in the next few months? Instead we have to dig around for info on the game and then when someone finds something a nuke goes off on the forums. All of this could have been avoided.

There should be an April Roadmap this week.

[Bishop Steiner]

@xendojo

No, it doesn't. Both videos are from before the weekend. They didn't just go and get interviewed to counter this weekends nonsense. On the other hand, Bryan did categorically reject it being monetized in the feared manner on the twitter feed posted on the Russ interview topic thread. That should probably be pinned to the OP.

So perhaps, some of us are not referring JUST to the video.

[hammerreborn]

Bishop Steiner, on 01 April 2013 - 05:44 AM, said:

@Vassago

The rage was justified THIS time. At least as far as the insane monetization Russ may or " may not" have been talking about. And there have been a handful of other times (ecm, lrms that have GPS, coolantgate, etc), but what justified nerd rage has fueled the venom the other 360 days of the year since in inception?

See here's the thing. It's one thing to be angry about something that was terribly written, but the ragers look foolish when you can't even get the person talking correct.

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The lone wolf play style is what players currently have in the game today; the NPC factions will be free-to-play; the Merc Corps, on the other hand, will be monetized. "We're looking at possibly charging a one-time setup fee," Ekman said. "This is just to make sure there's not a flood of one-player corps.

"We really want people who participate in this to be as engaged as possible. And we'll probably require them to have a premium time account, as a kind of dedication level." That premium time account can be purchased in quantities ranging from daily to monthly to bi-annually, with the 30-day pack costing $10.

This isn't directed completely at you Bishop, you just happened to be the first person to mention russ. You've been more than sensible enough in both threads.

And the rage has been justified once, and only once. And that was coolant gate (the p2w part, not the "OMG THEY SAID NEVER" because the latter are people that can't understand context).

And the big difference between that and this is that all the details were laid out for us, while this is a crap article that doesn't clarify who "people who participate" are, which any person worth their salt and not looking for tons of clicks for $$$ would have clarifed. Because lone wolves are as much participators as merc groups.

Edited by hammerreborn, 01 April 2013 - 07:39 AM.

[Xendojo]

@ Bishop Steiner:

Still...we need official word on the possible monetization of CW. Whether or not it was intended is beside the point. The possibility now exists, at least in our minds if nowhere else. And a rejection of an idea from PGI holds absolutely no weight with me.

Premium account required to be a member of a merc unit is just ridiculous. One time start up fee....not so much but still a bad call IMO.

[Xendojo]

hammerreborn, on 01 April 2013 - 07:44 AM, said:

LOL BYE THEN

um...what? What are you going on about? Know what? I don't care.

Point in fact, if IGP says "jump", PGI jumps. So a theoretical rejection of an idea from PGI is a non-point.

Edited by Xendojo, 01 April 2013 - 07:50 AM.

[Roadbeer]

Ok, this doesn't sound terrible for the Houses, but I'll wait for more detail.

Having said that...

Bryan, I'm going to assume that you have Word, maybe Adobe on a computer SOMEWHERE at PGI, I mean I know for a fact you and least have textpad.

Here is my suggestion, if you give an interview .. or in this case 27 (your words, not ours), you have to assume that one of those interviews is going to be released at a time that probably isn't optimal for you to respond. So anyway, you have the breakdown for (insert hotbutton topic here) already typed up, then AFTER you give the interview and BEFORE it's potentially released, you POST what you've already previously written (in Word, Adobe, whatever) on the forums so that way, we don't "overreact" to a misquote or a context issue. When you do this, you get to enjoy your weekend and not have trolls bombing you on Twitter while you're trying to eat breakfast.

Forcing your CUSTOMERS to pick apart a 10 paragraph interview (which you KNOW we're going to do) and speculating on what it means (see previous) leads EXACTLY to the firestorm that was created. I mean come on... this isn't your first rodeo, and this isn't even the first time that's happened with THIS game. Giving us information "straight from the horses mouth" allows us to debate the MERITS of the system, not the CONTEXT.This paragraph x10 if you're discussing ANYTHING that has to do with charging your players.

I have to admit, this is the first time I've ever seen a community go after the reporter to get their comment on your "out of context" comment, but this goes to something that should have become apparent during 3PVgate... STAY OFF TWITTER UNLESS IT'S AN ABSOLUTE AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THE WORD OUT.

Your recent contempt towards your community (3PV thread, Twitter posts) only fuels this drama. This isn't "Real housewives of Mechwarrior" and you seem to go out of your way to create drama (yes, it's going to happen anyway, we don't need your help).

WE WANT TO GIVE YOU MONEY, STOP F'ING WITH US.

Edited by Roadbeer, 01 April 2013 - 07:57 AM.

[hammerreborn]

Xendojo, on 01 April 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

um...what? What are you going on about? Know what? I don't care.

Why wait for official word about "monetizationgate" if "any rejection from PGI holds no weight". If you're that stupid just leave. And if you can't figure out why I'm laughing at you you need to go back to school.

[Matt Minus]

Xendojo, on 01 April 2013 - 07:42 AM, said:

@ Bishop Steiner:

Still...we need official word on the possible monetization of CW. Whether or not it was intended is beside the point. The possibility now exists, at least in our minds if nowhere else. And a rejection of an idea from PGI holds absolutely no weight with me.

Premium account required to be a member of a merc unit is just ridiculous. One time start up fee....not so much but still a bad call IMO.

We get it, you don't ever want to pay for anything. That in and of itself is ridiculous. Tell us again about DotA and how MWO can make a killing with vanity items.

[Purplefluffybunny]

Niko Snow, on 31 March 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

Pinning for great justice.

And what is that meant to mean, eh?

Hopefully PGI now have a better insight in to the limits of how much 'monetizing' they can do.

[Xendojo]

Matt Minus, on 01 April 2013 - 07:49 AM, said:

We get it, you don't ever want to pay for anything. That in and of itself is ridiculous. Tell us again about DotA and how MWO can make a killing with vanity items.

Note the orange founders tag. I have no trouble paying for a game i enjoy, but any kind of "subscription" mechanic i do reject. And having to buy premium time to participate in CW is exactly that.

@Hammerreborn: you tried to tell me Bryan addressed this in this video....you were wrong. Obviously so.

PGI can reject ideas till they are blue in the face, does absolutely nothing. If IGP says it happens then it happens.

Edited by Xendojo, 01 April 2013 - 08:54 AM.

[Purplefluffybunny]

Chavette, on 31 March 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

1, A snipped of info came out, and it caused rage, rightfully so.

2, It comes out its not exactly like that, and the real design wont be half as bad.

3, Everyone starts calling the ragers from point 1 names because they were wrong, and got riled up over nothing/incorrect info.


Whats funny: They raged about their current info, and knew everything about the full version. So why are you giving them trouble for it? Nobody knew it wasn't the complete design!

Had to get this out, thanks.

As someone else stated nothing in this video really contradicts what we said in the other thread and that 'Polygon' interview. We have known about the loose structure of CW and the 3 different tiers for a while; it is in a document on this very site.

[Bishop Steiner]

@Hammerreborn....

Well, here is the thing..... My rage was specifically at the polygon interview of Russ Bullock, hence the mod creates Russ Bullock interview thread. When Bryan did reply via Twitter, while I still feel there was a better way to reply, as details came out, I wan and am willing to put my rage on the back burner.

If things happen as Bryan mentioned (on the Twitter feed) where a REASONABLE one time start up for a merc Corp, and maybe the Corp leader maintaining premium time, I don't have an issue with, as that helps ensure resources aren't being devoted to a defunct merc corp, or that we end up with a million 1 manmerc corps.
If they were to go counter to what Bryan tweeted, and charge for every corp member, I would have a massive issue with that.

At the end of the day, I am in wait and see mode. The protest was made, voices heard, and now we wait.

[hammerreborn]

Bishop Steiner, on 01 April 2013 - 08:03 AM, said:

@Hammerreborn....

Well, here is the thing..... My rage was specifically at the polygon interview of Russ Bullock, hence the mod creates Russ Bullock interview thread. When Bryan did reply via Twitter, while I still feel there was a better way to reply, as details came out, I wan and am willing to put my rage on the back burner.

If things happen as Bryan mentioned (on the Twitter feed) where a REASONABLE one time start up for a merc Corp, and maybe the Corp leader maintaining premium time, I don't have an issue with, as that helps ensure resources aren't being devoted to a defunct merc corp, or that we end up with a million 1 manmerc corps.
If they were to go counter to what Bryan tweeted, and charge for every corp member, I would have a massive issue with that.

At the end of the day, I am in wait and see mode. The protest was made, voices heard, and now we wait.

Except Bryan was the one being quoted, not Russ.....

Edited by hammerreborn, 01 April 2013 - 08:05 AM.

[Roadbeer]

Matt Minus, on 01 April 2013 - 07:49 AM, said:

We get it, you don't ever want to pay for anything. That in and of itself is ridiculous. Tell us again about DotA and how MWO can make a killing with vanity items.

<------ Denotes we've given money to the project. In fact, if you have one of those, you were one of the FIRST to give money to the project.

Oh, you don't have one of those, do you?

Edited by Roadbeer, 01 April 2013 - 08:06 AM.

[Purplefluffybunny]

Bishop Steiner, on 01 April 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

On the other hand, Bryan did categorically reject it being monetized in the feared manner on the twitter feed posted on the Russ interview topic thread.

He did not do this. Some of us 'fear' a one time fee to even gain entry to the community warfare system (by that i mean a merc). That's the option that baited the least annoyance from a lot of us.

Bishop Steiner, on 01 April 2013 - 08:03 AM, said:

I don't have an issue with, as that helps ensure resources aren't being devoted to a defunct merc corp, or that we end up with a million 1 manmerc corps.

Many other ways we can get around issues such as you suggest above.

Edited by Purplefluffybunny, 01 April 2013 - 08:16 AM.

[Mystere]

Gee. Like PGI, I go away for a short vacation only to return and discover that the inmates have taken over the asylum. It's either that or the haters have gone full blown hating. It's probably either of those or the " world is ending in December 2012" crowd have all started to come out of the muck they have been hiding in in bewilderment. Or are they really all one and the same?

Chavette, on 31 March 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

1, A snipped of info came out, and it caused rage, rightfully so.

2, It comes out its not exactly like that, and the real design wont be half as bad.

3, Everyone starts calling the ragers from point 1 names because they were wrong, and got riled up over nothing/incorrect info.


Whats funny: They raged about their current info, and didnt know everything about the full version. So why are you giving them trouble for it? Nobody knew it wasn't the complete design!

Had to get this out, thanks.

Honestly, the raging lunatics (and you know who you are ) deserve whatever they get from whoever wants to dish it out.

You see, that's the problem when people go half-a$$ed with their "doom and gloom" the "sky is falling" "foaming in the mouth" rage. You just don't go full bore with your hate/rage/lunacy/whatever without sufficient, and accurate, information. It just makes you look [something unmentionable and totally inappropriate].

And again I close by saying:

Humans will seek to destroy those which they fear or do not comprehend.

Edited by Mystere, 01 April 2013 - 08:29 AM.

[Purplefluffybunny]

Mystere, on 01 April 2013 - 09:17 AM, said:

Also, instead of raging like a lunatic, which seems to be what you are suggesting consumers do, why not be the educated consumer instead and vote with your wallet.

When all that exists on the high street is a Starbucks, what choice do I have when I really want a coffee?

The only other option for an online mechwarrior game was killed off by PGI. You see that is the thing, you need to understand the context of why people are quick to get irate with PGI. PGI have not exactly played the affable new kid in the playground; they have been quick colonize and stake a claim to the entire the sand pit . In other words, quick to colonize what were, on the whole, more community controlled spaces and games to do with battletech and mechwarrior.

As more and more spin offs of the mechwarriorIP come out of PGI's and associate's production floors, I imagine other community projects out there will be asked to stop, if they are deemed by PGI as a 'barrier' to 'growth'.

Make a little more senses to you now?

Edited by Purplefluffybunny, 01 April 2013 - 10:52 AM.

[Xendojo]

Thontor, on 01 April 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

Bryan already cleared this up on Twitter.

Dividing the CW players between subbed and not-subbed is "definitely not going to happen"

"Definitely NOT paytoplay with friends"

PGI is "not going to divide the playerbase of CW over premium / non premium accounts"

Merc corp members do not have to have a premium account to stay in a merc corps

"No sub needed to play as a merc unit"

PGI is still deciding if a "player should have a prem acct" to receive "CW MC rewards"

If they do "give out MC rewards, in no way would a player be excluded from participation"

PGI is examining "premium merc accounts getting MC + C-Bill rewards and free accounts getting only C-Bills"

http://twitter.com/bryanekman

Well that's nice. Thanks Thontor that needed to be posted here.
Would still like a command chair post though.


PGI is still deciding if a "player should have a prem acct" to receive "CW MC rewards"

This one is sticky, seeing as you can buy premium with MC, and get MC with premium. So you have to buy into the loop one time, but return business? Will have to reserve my opinion until further information is made available.

Edited by Xendojo, 01 April 2013 - 09:51 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

@hammerreborn

You are correct, I apparently glossed that over. (see folks, that's a little thing called admitting when u r wrong instead of trying to bluff and bs out of it. More people on here should try it.)

Still kinda figure calling it he Russ interview helps differentiate, but polygon would be more accurate. Anyhow now it Bryan commenting on what Bryan said. Gothcha. Kinda adds more credence to his other interview and tweets. And still arm, much to do about nothing until we get an official statement.

[hammerreborn]

Bishop Steiner, on 01 April 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

@hammerreborn

You are correct, I apparently glossed that over. (see folks, that's a little thing called admitting when u r wrong instead of trying to bluff and bs out of it. More people on here should try it.)

Still kinda figure calling it he Russ interview helps differentiate, but polygon would be more accurate. Anyhow now it Bryan commenting on what Bryan said. Gothcha. Kinda adds more credence to his other interview and tweets. And still arm, much to do about nothing until we get an official statement.

Yup, that's why I said no offense directed at you. I just like clarifying things because like when people say there are more 3Ls than D-DCs so ECM is fine, while I may agree with the overall sentiment the information is still presented wrong. And as we clearly see from the forums lately any even minor rumor becomes all the internet rage.

And Bryan clarifying his own words is a lot better than some people implying that one hand isn't talking to the other. And hopefully you don't see those stupid "make bryan do all the interview" image macros that appeared in the other thread.

Edited by hammerreborn, 01 April 2013 - 10:01 AM.