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[BlackSquirrel]

Grognard hates how **** is different..or maybe not different we can never know as he never actually brought examples, facts etc to the table and then reinforced them to make a constructive argument.

[Solidussnake]

hammerreborn, on 04 April 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

Ok let me preface this by saying I was a major head designer for Earthseige 1, 2, and Starseige and I have to say, this game, while it has some bugs, is way better than that other guys supposedly created games.

Then I hate you for ruining my childhood by giving me the second greatest robot game ever.

[anonymous175]

I won't say they're screwing but they're not pushing the envelope by any means.

It's a safer bet to see what others are doing and try to "do it better". At this point what could have been awesome as a combined arms games is already being done in other games so that's not even a USP even if they were to do it.

The Battletech universe is such a rich resource to tap into, it's definitely shortchanging the product by giving people what they can expect and have seen before just in mech flavoring but not doing anything that's unique with the IP, like making use of the lore to get people immersed.

Attention being a limited resource, they got their work cut out for them. Best of luck though.

[sokitumi]

Moromillas, on 04 April 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

So basically, you think Piranha is screwing you because, there are bugs in the game, you think it's too much like WoT, and they sell things. Did I miss anything? This is absurd, they're not screwing anyone.

PGI's only screwing themselves with their bad decisions. And most of the white knights in this thread are either 1) completely dillusional and/or 2) completely a'ok with another MW title with such a tiny community of grognard only "mech pros" that PGI goes banckrupt.

What a cluster...

Edited by sokitumi, 04 April 2013 - 05:04 PM.

[Rattlehead NZ]

hammerreborn, on 04 April 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

Ok let me preface this by saying I was a major head designer for Earthseige 1, 2, and Starseige and I have to say, this game, while it has some bugs, is way better than that other guys supposedly created games.

Those were cool games. And for the people who don't know, It was the Earthseige 1 release that made MW2 release date extend to 2 more years as ES looked much better aka full textured 3D and not just wireframe. I should remember because i was old enough to have to wait for it lol.

[Syllogy]

sokitumi, on 04 April 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

PGI's only screwing themselves with their bad decisions. And most of the white knights in this thread are either 1) completely dillusional and/or 2) completely a'ok with another MW title with such a tiny community of grognard only "mech pros" that PGI goes banckrupt.

What a cluster...

It sounds like you have access to the population numbers. Please, share them, and your sources.

[Magic Murder Bag]

If more of these threads keep popping up, I think I'm going to get tanked by drinking too much Merlot while reading 'em........

[Lonestar1771]

Man the PGI defense force is out in... erm.... force, today.

[MischiefSC]

ArchAngelWC, on 04 April 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

Well I dont know...anyone who has played battletech in any online variation since 1998...and mean MC, MC2,MW3/4, Totaltech/Megamek, MBPT 3025, MWLL, etc etc...you know all those games you didn't play because your mom probably hadn't given birth to you yet..

You know what having played BT since 1998 gets you? By the way, I've played it in TT since the 80s, I've worked in the game industry and in software development in addition to being able to eat with a spoon....

It gets you having played the game before and having been involved in that community at that time. That's what it gets you. It gets you no authority, influence, control, propriety, ownership or power involved in MWO or any Battletech title. Buy a license from Microsoft if you want that.

The only thing you have right now is an opinion. It has exactly the same worth, value and impact on MWO or anything else as the opinion of everyone else. Kim Jong Uns opinion on MWO is every bit as valid, worthwhile and important to MWO as yours is.

You don't have basis for argument from authority. You don't like how MWO is being handled. We get it. Okay, that has merit the same as any other opinion. Don't play it. I certainly have complaints about some of it. I did about MW4, MW3, all of the digital titles for that matter. So what?

Vote with your feet or your dollars. Coming to a forum and attempting to imply that your opinion has magical super powers that only your opinion can have is just... silly. If this were Hogwarts you and your opinion would be put into House Sparklypoo. Google it, it's funny and worth a read.

If you have an opinion on something express that opinion on its own merits. If the opinion can not stand on its own merit than the opinion is going to get dismissed accordingly. Attempting to borrow an authority or credibility that nobody who isn't either an original FASA developer, involved in Microsofts ownership of the IP or a legal license holder has just damages the basis of your complaints.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

ArchAngelWC, on 04 April 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

Well I dont know...anyone who has played battletech in any online variation since 1998...and mean MC, MC2,MW3/4, Totaltech/Megamek, MBPT 3025, MWLL, etc etc...you know all those games you didn't play because your mom probably hadn't given birth to you yet..

If that was directed specifically towards me, then you're dead wrong.

I've been around the block a few times with MechWarrior titles. The reason people are posting negative towards your post is because you come off as incredibly arrogant, entitled and negative. Expect to feel a little heat if you throw gas onto a fire.

Edited by mwhighlander, 04 April 2013 - 05:17 PM.

[Roadbeer]

This is serious business, it deserves a poll.

[Malora Sidewinder]

[Davers]

nitra, on 04 April 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

Unfortunately the imagination and creativity is ripped out of the cookie cutter business plans of today.

Instead we are left with archaic tired and stale methods of money extraction from customers.

each one of us is viewed as a ore pit and all the corporate entity is concerned for is how quickly they can strip mine us all.

This contrasts terribly with how things should be done . Cater to your customers desires needs and wants .

their should already be a stock only league . with gadgets and gizmos as rewards.

they should already be a solaris, and it should be equipped with a spectator mode. and it should be one of the games main points for advertising .

this in turns allows for the community to grow it gives pgi tools to nurture and grow the fan base .

There should be a subscription model for those who rather pay subscription rather than be ***** by free to play content..

unfortunately this will probably never be realized as they would rather put time and effort into creating undesired game play modes.

and their appears to be no desire to let the players participate in creation of in game content such as paint camo and skins. which would be a draw factor for those types who enjoy creating such things even monetizing this would be a boost to their bottom line .

but alas its not easy so its not even giving a proper plan of action, it is just laughed as yeah that would be nice .

one year we will see a return to allowing your fan base to actually participate and organically grow the fan base .

but until then we are left with bare minimum efforts to acquire the maximum reward in the shortest time business strategies that has just about wrecked every industry in this country.

Zeno Scarborough, on 04 April 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

I won't say they're screwing but they're not pushing the envelope by any means.

It's a safer bet to see what others are doing and try to "do it better". At this point what could have been awesome as a combined arms games is already being done in other games so that's not even a USP even if they were to do it.

The Battletech universe is such a rich resource to tap into, it's definitely shortchanging the product by giving people what they can expect and have seen before just in mech flavoring but not doing anything that's unique with the IP, like making use of the lore to get people immersed.

Attention being a limited resource, they got their work cut out for them. Best of luck though.

Please remember that we have MWO because no one would back MW5. Even with it's dedicated community, it was considered a bad investment. I know lots of people want PGI to basically let them recreate the old leagues and such. But PGI wants to be in control of the content. It's their game, they don't want to lose customers because of arguments arising from player run leagues.

[Syllogy]

[Malora Sidewinder]

ArchAngelWC, on 04 April 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

Well I dont know...anyone who has played battletech in any online variation since 1998...and mean MC, MC2,MW3/4, Totaltech/Megamek, MBPT 3025, MWLL, etc etc...you know all those games you didn't play because your mom probably hadn't given birth to you yet..

[Vassago Rain]

Malora Sidewinder, on 04 April 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

I think this guy is too young to be one. Maybe if you accused him of being a hipster.

[sokitumi]

mwhighlander, on 04 April 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

If that was directed specifically towards me, then you're dead wrong.

I've been around the block a few times with MechWarrior titles. The reason people are posting negative towards your post is because you come off as incredibly arrogant, entitled and negative. Expect to feel a little heat if you throw gas onto a fire.

I'd say he's entitled just fine to have an opinion. As I am, as you are. Plz retire the "entitled baby" dismissals. It's pretty much the same "arrogant, entitled and negative" posture you just accused of the OP of taking......

When a very large number of long time fans see MWo progression in a similar light and call it like they see it... it's probably not the long time fans' fault.

[Royalewithcheese]

wait so is pgi dumbing the game down for the masses or making something only grognards will like its hard to keep track of these things

[anonymous175]

Davers, on 04 April 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

Please remember that we have MWO because no one would back MW5. Even with it's dedicated community, it was considered a bad investment. I know lots of people want PGI to basically let them recreate the old leagues and such. But PGI wants to be in control of the content. It's their game, they don't want to lose customers because of arguments arising from player run leagues.

I always gave them credit for being insane enough to take on this property because no major publisher in their right mind would front them the money if they wanted to make a good ROI.

And since they're private, they're free to run this ship however they want to.

But they're not at Relic/Warhammer level yet in terms of modernizing what should be a product meant to be buried 20 years ago. So they don't get a bye yet just for taking on our beloved Mechwarrior.

Y'all ****** need to remain vigilant and keep them on their toes, otherwise if you don't care in the first place, you'd just be sitting on the sidelines waiting for Star Citizen, amirite?

[Godswrath]

ArchAngelWC, on 04 April 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

Well I dont know...anyone who has played battletech in any online variation since 1998...and mean MC, MC2,MW3/4, Totaltech/Megamek, MBPT 3025, MWLL, etc etc...you know all those games you didn't play because your mom probably hadn't given birth to you yet..

I know you weren't directing that at me but I exploded onto the scene way back in '82 LOL....exploded...get it.....yuk yuk!