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[Riffleman]

When the devs first started making this game, they promised every mech would have a VIABLE roll to fill on the battlefield, in particular mediums, the workhorse of the battletech world. Cheap and tough, with weight restrictions in the works a good medium mech would be a great boon. Unfortunatley they have all but abandoned their original vision for elo rating, a scale that does not take into account mech weights, as I said it wouldnt when it was first proposed. There is nothing a medium mech does that a good light or heavy dosent do better.

Mediums in general are a hinderance to your team, because anyone who claims they do good in their medium would do better in a light or heavy almost all the time. I cannot think of one specific roll they fill, besides the gimic poptarters, or overengined lightly armed scout killers. Mabye in the future, when masc is working, and lights are hitting 200kph, they will ease off on these engine restrictions which really were put in place at first to cull the stupidly powerful lag shielded swaybacks and such. Letting mediums reach an average of 100+ again would at least keep them viable. As is, why take say a hunchback g, when you could take an equally speedy jager sporting two ac 20s. If you are talking about the average 12 points more on the center torso to the jagers squishy xl side torsos, that dosent do much to comfort you when you lose the hunch torso anyway and end up a 5 or 10 damage dealer regardless.

[Dredhawk]

Blha blha blha blha and blha!!!!!!!!Who cares Medium play fine.....

[Karr285]

I seem to recall there will be weight restrictions in a future game mode

http://mwomercs.com/...pdated-april-3/

down the page

Min/Max tonnage limit (not based on weight class)

Edited by Karr285, 04 April 2013 - 07:09 PM.

[Tennex]

smaller profile size please. (one that makes sense)

maybe a torso/turn rate boost

thats the only change they need to make IMO. i've seen some dedicated medium players do very well


they nerfed the **** out of the swayback lol. both engine restriction and small laser nerf.its a bit sad. i was actually happy to see viable mediums. makes a lot more sense than assaultwarrior online. the armsrace they said would nont be in this game

Edited by Tennex, 04 April 2013 - 09:26 PM.

[Riffleman]

Karr285, on 04 April 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

I seem to recall there will be weight restrictions in a future game mode

they abandoned that for elo, it cannot take into account player skills, organized teams, AND be able to match tonnage. It would take 10 minutes to match.

[Demoned]

when i go out in my 4SP, i dare teams to focus fire on me

[Davers]

What stinks is how Heavy mechs just have better hard points. They are more symmetrical. Compare Catapults to Hunchbacks. Every Catapult could lose half it's mech and still have half a mech left. Hunchbacks lose RT and they are basically neutered. And the 4SP would be more effective as a Jenner-D.

[Belorion]

I do fine with mediums.

[Rocdocta]

i drive mediums because they are fun and its what i want to use. I dont get into the whole optimisation idea. It is a game after all...

[Sam Slade]

Just make them a little smaller. At a glance a medium can be mistaken for a Jager... not good.

The light mechs we have a accuratlly small and it helps them stay alive. Our mediums deserve the same thing... a slight buff to mobility(not speed) would also be a great aid in balance.

[Lord Psycho]

Yet Garth and Phil still enjoy rolling and steamrolling people in their favorite mediums.....

[valkyrie]

Dredhawk, on 04 April 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

Blha blha blha blha and blha!!!!!!!!Who cares Medium play fine.....

"Hey look everyone I didn't read the OP but since he's clearly talking about an issue with the game design, I'm going to mock him! Am I cool yet? XD"

The issue isn't that Mediums play poorly. It's that they fail to fill the niche between Lights and Heavies, which is then further exacerbated by the fact that the enemy team is far more likely to get another Heavy with a similar ELO score rather than a class-matched Medium. They were fine in MM Phase 2, because at least the enemy got another 'Mech like yours rather than yet another Cataphract or Jager like they get now.

You'd know this, but that would require a tiny bit of critical thought, so naturally it slid right past you.

Lord Psycho, on 04 April 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

Yet Garth and Phil still enjoy rolling and steamrolling people in their favorite mediums.....

>Garth and Phil
>good
Pick one. Garth pointed out that Phil is below him in Medium rankings, and Garth is...well, I've never actually seen Garth win a match.

Edited by valkyrie, 04 April 2013 - 07:37 PM.

[ItsAPotato]

Been running a HBK-4P since this weekend. Already have it mastered and finish most matches with ~500 damage, though I usually have a larger number of kills FOR the damage because the 4P dishes out pinpoint damage, so I don't need to do a lot for a kill. It's not durable enough to take much damage, but that's expected. Gotta let the big boys soak up the damage first. Lots of firepower in a very mobile platform.

Then there's the centurions. Personally I suck with them, but I consistently see centurions out there tanking WAY more damage than they should be able to for a mech their size (while running around with a 55 damage alpha WITH THEIR ARM MISSING).

The Cicada performs just as well as the Hunchback, just with more emphasis on secondary roles. I will acknowledge, though, that the Cicada is one of the toughest mechs to pilot well, but it can be done (I know, because I do it).

Last, the good ol' Treb. It's a Hunchback or a Centurion, only with jumpjets. Extremely deadly in coordinated groups (love me a good Treb pack).

Nothing wrong with mediums, but they are more difficult to pilot than any other class.

[Riffleman]

Belorion, on 04 April 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

I do fine with mediums.

you would do better in a similarly speedy heavy. And that is the whole point. Everyone would

[Belorion]

At this point I really like playing my Cent more than any other mech in the game...

[Byk]

Mediums are fine. I would still like to see drop weight limits though. That would let mediums really shine.

[ItsAPotato]

Riffleman, on 04 April 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

you would do better in a similarly speedy heavy. And that is the whole point. Everyone would

There is only one similarly speedy heavy, and frankly I can bring more effective firepower in a Hunchback than in a Dragon.

[BadKarma7]

Davers, on 04 April 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

What stinks is how Heavy mechs just have better hard points. They are more symmetrical. Compare Catapults to Hunchbacks. Every Catapult could lose half it's mech and still have half a mech left. Hunchbacks lose RT and they are basically neutered. And the 4SP would be more effective as a Jenner-D.

You first mistake is not dropping in a Centurion. Symmetry is overrated. Take half my 'mech, I'll pew pew with the other half - you just have to ask yourself, do you want to die from the missiles, or all those lasers?

I wouldn't mind being a bit smaller though. =)

[Tezcatli]

ItsAPotato, on 04 April 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

Been running a HBK-4P since this weekend. Already have it mastered and finish most matches with ~500 damage, though I usually have a larger number of kills FOR the damage because the 4P dishes out pinpoint damage, so I don't need to do a lot for a kill. It's not durable enough to take much damage, but that's expected. Gotta let the big boys soak up the damage first. Lots of firepower in a very mobile platform.

Then there's the centurions. Personally I suck with them, but I consistently see centurions out there tanking WAY more damage than they should be able to for a mech their size (while running around with a 55 damage alpha WITH THEIR ARM MISSING).

The Cicada performs just as well as the Hunchback, just with more emphasis on secondary roles. I will acknowledge, though, that the Cicada is one of the toughest mechs to pilot well, but it can be done (I know, because I do it).

Last, the good ol' Treb. It's a Hunchback or a Centurion, only with jumpjets. Extremely deadly in coordinated groups (love me a good Treb pack).

Nothing wrong with mediums, but they are more difficult to pilot than any other class.

Basically you're saying that you have to make up the deficit between a medium and a heavy, with more skill. I think that applies to everything. So if a greater skilled heavy comes across you, then you're boned.

Just because some people can overcome the disadvantage with skill. Doesn't mean there isn't a problem. I don't think they need a buff. But Elo alone isn't cutting it, we need total tonnage restrictions.

[OuttaAmmo NoWai]

I see people whining about how "useless" they think mediums are on a daily basis.

And on a daily basis I top the scoreboards with my Cent and Trenchbucket.

I really don't know what people are on about