Are We Missing An Mwo Heat Table?
#41
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:21 PM
5 heat: -1 movement points
8: +1 modifier to fire
10: -2 movement points
13: +2 modifier to fire
14: shutdown, avoid on 4+
15: -3 movement points
17: +3 modifier to fire
18: shutdown, avoid on 6+
19: ammo explosion, avoid on 4+
20: -4 movement points
22: shutdown, avoid on 8+
23: ammo explosion, avoid on 6+
24: +4 modifier to fire
25: -5 movement points
26: shutdown, avoid on 10+
28: ammo explosion, avoid on 8+
30: shutdown
As you can see there are four effects:
1. movement penalties
2. aiming penalties
3. shutdowns
4. ammo explosions
Of those, aiming penalties wouldn't be well received in MWO (although I think it could be done gracefully, with visual effects like fogging or heat shimmering), shutdowns and ammo explosions are already in, so that leaves movement penalties.
Not a bad idea to make a 'mech move slower the hotter it gets (first movement penalty is at 5 heat out of 30, or about 15%).
All in all, I think I'm in favour of the idea.
#42
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:22 PM
So the weapons shutdown/get damaged but the mech is still mobile.
Or both mech heat AND weapon heat.
A single weapon overheating would add to overall mech heat, loads of weapons overheating would then cause overall mech overheating.
As for effects, well the actual mech overheating ..u could have some kind of cokcpit effect where the excess heat effects the pilot..blured vision maybe ..or some such. Lowered speed is deffinatly a good one as IRL when things, egines in particular , overheat ..u can cause things to seize up.
#44
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:26 PM
aniviron, on 11 April 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:
The worst part is, this is all taking into account players using optimized mechs with DHS and 1.3+ heat eff. Those trial mechs are going to become walking suicide boxes.
This is a very good point... the way heat is dealt with would need a significant overhaul, or heat penalities would have to only kick in after a certain period of time (like, you'd only suffer the heat penalties if you kept your heat up above a certain threshold for 10 seconds or something).
#45
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:28 PM
Do you see the recharge time of a weapon as fair game, as an expression of heat - or is it simply a reload time?
#46
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:31 PM
#47
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:32 PM
You make a few concessions here or there, and all of a sudden every new piece doesn't fit quite right. Meaning more "minor" changes... and the cycles continues until it falls apart.
#48
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:33 PM
So it would not replace the cooldown bar. .it would be in addtion to.
maybe with an adittional toggle tab on each weapon to turn on auto weapon shutodwn at X % heat ..or turn it of so u can controll when u stop using a wepaon manualy.
Edited by ArmageddonKnight, 11 April 2013 - 12:34 PM.
#49
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:33 PM
stjobe, on 11 April 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:
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As you can see there are four effects:
1. movement penalties
2. aiming penalties
3. shutdowns
4. ammo explosions
Of those, aiming penalties wouldn't be well received in MWO (although I think it could be done gracefully, with visual effects like fogging or heat shimmering), shutdowns and ammo explosions are already in, so that leaves movement penalties.
Not a bad idea to make a 'mech move slower the hotter it gets (first movement penalty is at 5 heat out of 30, or about 15%).
All in all, I think I'm in favour of the idea.
MWO version:
1 - xx% speed reduction
2 - torso twist speed reduction, arm movement slowed, turning radius increased.
3 - shutdown
4 - BOOM!
#50
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:33 PM
Edited by Captain Stiffy, 11 April 2013 - 12:34 PM.
#51
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:33 PM
#52
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:33 PM
Davers, on 11 April 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:
It would require heat going back to normal TT values also. A mech with 30 heat sinks should be able to fire 3 PPC's while maintaining a zero heat balance.
#53
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:34 PM
Roland, on 11 April 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:
Agree.
#54
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:36 PM
Diablobo, on 11 April 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:
Not 'no fun'. Just not balanced. A good build that never overheated would totally outclass every other build. It would be the only viable build to ever run.
#55
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:36 PM
(Just some wild ideas).
- A coded limit on the maximum number of weapons that can be assigned into one weapon group.
- Remove the alpha strike ability.
- An XP and C-Bill reward for finishing a match *without* overheating. (I like this one!)
#56
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:37 PM
#58
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:39 PM
"OMG!!!! PGI putting in heat penalties so you HAVE to buy OP MC coolant flush to win. This game is soooooo P2W!!!!"
Okay, we good?
The more I think about this (and remember from TT) the more I'm in favor of this. The main advantage to the weight and ammo requirement of ballistics is the lack of heat. With the elevated number of weapon firing in MWO vs TT, the infinite firing capability if lasers out weighs the advantages of balistics somewhat. Heat penalties would make ACs and "a certain small caliber" weapon more valuable.
#59
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:42 PM
Vasces Diablo, on 11 April 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:
"OMG!!!! PGI putting in heat penalties so you HAVE to buy OP MC coolant flush to win. This game is soooooo P2W!!!!"
Okay, we good?
The more I think about this (and remember from TT) the more I'm in favor of this. The main advantage to the weight and ammo requirement of ballistics is the lack of heat. With the elevated number of weapon firing in MWO vs TT, the infinite firing capability if lasers out weighs the advantages of balistics somewhat. Heat penalties would make ACs and "a certain small caliber" weapon more valuable.
Eureka!
They still have to rework heat though.
edit: OH and YES it would make their c r a p module better... oh well.
Edited by Ugg, 11 April 2013 - 12:43 PM.
#60
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:42 PM
Davers, on 11 April 2013 - 12:36 PM, said:
Balance is out the window with the mechlab as it is. Do you mean to tell me that the goal of "balance" is to make a Cicada with MGs just as viable as the rest with lasers?
NO.
Let the kiddies have their lulz with the MGs and and Flamers while the rest of us that know how to design mechs blow them away.
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