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[Greyfyl]

They are going to fix missiles right after they put collisions in and address ecm.

[Vassago Rain]

Well, yes. They took SRMs away, so there's no way to brawl, and if you try, you can't knock anyone out, anyway. Thus, AC20, gauss, and PPC ridgehumping.

[Yokaiko]

Vassago Rain, on 13 April 2013 - 08:30 AM, said:

Well, yes. They took SRMs away, so there's no way to brawl, and if you try, you can't knock anyone out, anyway. Thus, AC20, gauss, and PPC ridgehumping.

Funny I've been seeing brawls all day. You can't two volley everything with missiles anymore, but you can certainly still brawl

[neviu]

Sam Slade, on 13 April 2013 - 08:12 AM, said:

psst.. don't name your parts after a video game model... it's tomb raider creepy

But on PPCs, they are great until you chuck six on a stalker and load up on coolant.. then they are dull weapons that kiddies will use to grief(see above) which is why I'm renameing them Snivel Boats; the home of snotty nosed twerps.

[Teralitha]

3rdworld, on 13 April 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

Those have been the best weapons for quite some time.

It just takes the general population longer to catch on.

Game balance, how does it work?

No, it took double heat sinks to be brought into the game to let them do it.

[Juree Riggd]

Thontor, on 13 April 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

lol. they didn't take SRMs away, they just put them where they shouldve been for their tonnage. If i can still do over 1,000 damage in a match with my 3 ASRM6 CN9-A, SRMs are still naasty.

Especially if you know how to aim with them.

[Teralitha]

Dead Eye 01, on 13 April 2013 - 08:11 AM, said:

Can't please everybody, just the way the world works.

PPC were never bad by design. It was the netcode that made them bad. But it was DHS that made them really good.

[Ngamok]

Yokaiko, on 13 April 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

Yes, for the first time ever in this game PPCs are actually threatening.

Because they sort of were in the TT and the AC/20 was feared.

[Teralitha]

Vassago Rain, on 13 April 2013 - 08:30 AM, said:

Well, yes. They took SRMs away, so there's no way to brawl, and if you try, you can't knock anyone out, anyway. Thus, AC20, gauss, and PPC ridgehumping.

You had to have SRM's to brawl? Your a silly person.

[Ngamok]

Thontor, on 13 April 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

lol. they didn't take SRMs away, they just put them where they shouldve been for their tonnage. If i can still do over 1,000 damage in a match with my 3 ASRM6 CN9-A, SRMs are still naasty.

Exactly. They might not have that punch they used to, but if anyone survives long enough SRMs are still good.

[RockWolf]

PPCs were great pre-heat buff. PGI ****** up by making them more heat efficient than Large lasers. The Ers needed a buff, but not the standard ones.

I loved it when jump jets and ppcs weren't easy to use. I was one of the few running the ctf-3d build the way that is now the standard.

Edited by RockWolf, 13 April 2013 - 08:50 AM.

[Toe Cutter]

Yokaiko, on 13 April 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

Yes, for the first time ever in this game PPCs are actually threatening.

You must mean the first time you can boat them. I leveled my Awesome's and Cat's with duel PPC builds and they were very effective. If you need 4 or 6 PPC's to be a threat with them then that is your issue, not a justification for making PPC's easy mode.

IMHO, AC's and Gauss are fine, PPC's need a role back to what they were, missiles should be ticked up to TT levels (1 point of damage for LRM's, 2 for SRMS), SRMS should also deal splash damage to the shooter to deter Cat's from face humping you. Lasers are mostly fine but pulse variants still appear lacking.

All in all, I think they are close to a very good game, I just wish their changes were on the more subtle side.

[DocBach]

LRM's overpowered = ECM to block them

ECM overpowered = PPCs buffed with more damage and less heat to counter them

LRMs nerfed = PPCs overpowered

Instead of just fixing the unbalanced items by balancing them, we were given counters to them -- the shift of power is now in the PPC's favor.

[JudgeDeathCZ]

OP is right but it is only bcuz snipers now should not fear LRMs.I fired off 50 ALRMs supported by TAG(in one volley STK-3H) on standing 6PPC Stalker and I took away 4% of his armour...yet it was my first and last game with LRMs after missile nerf.When everyone will do the same I rly wanna see where PGI take data for additional nerf or buff missiles.

[Bagheera]

Thontor, on 13 April 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

<Game Features> were bad, people complained, they thought <Game Features> should be good. <Game Developers> made <Game Features> good, now people complain about the result. I don't get it. Make up your minds!

ftfy

Same as it ever was.

Vassago Rain, on 13 April 2013 - 08:30 AM, said:

Well, yes. They took SRMs away, so there's no way to brawl, and if you try, you can't knock anyone out, anyway. Thus, AC20, gauss, and PPC ridgehumping.

Funny, I was just in a match with someone running your favorite D-DC build and two of his kills were with his triple-ASRM6 battery.

And the AC-20 is supposed to be fearsome, no clue why you are complaining about that. Please stop. AC20 is exactly what it should be right now.

They were out of hand with broken splash. They are still usable, if mildly lackluster at the moment. If they do get re-tuned I hope it is in only the most minor of ways. This is from a TBT user. You think the D-DC was hurt by reduced missile damage? lol

Edited by Bagheera, 13 April 2013 - 09:08 AM.

[IceSerpent]

Thontor, on 13 April 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

PPCs were bad, people complained, they thought PPCs should be good. PGI made PPCs good, now people complain about the result. I don't get it. Make up your minds!

They didn't make PPCs good, they made missiles bad.

[Kanajashi]

I havent noticed that, Ive been running a 9xML swayback or a 6xLL stalker all weekend. Live and die by the laser

[Evax]

LRMs are fine...It is the team work need to use them that is broken....PUGs can't help you identify targets out in the open. Naturally everyone goes back to using direct fire weapons that allow them to be self-reliant. 4-man groups with a Lurmer have done just fine.

I might not be opposed to a slight heat bump for the ppc and erppc, but only a smidgen.

[IceSerpent]

Thontor, on 13 April 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

both the same tonnage, same number of crits, close to the same range.

sure you need artemis, tag, ammo with the LRM15,

but you need at least the same tonnage in heat sinks with the ERPPCs since they generate 2.75x the amount of heat per shot.

LRMs seem fine to me.

I was actually talking about SRMs and SSRMs. LRMs are extremely bad due to the fact that they are very easy to avoid, and they have been this way for quite a while. Prior to the latest missile nerf SRMs were high damage / very short effective range and SSRMs were high damage / longer effective range / hard-countered by ECM. Other weapons (i.e. AC20, ML, LL, etc.) had longer range at a cost of less damage. After the nerf, that high damage advantage is practically gone, so brawling configs (most of which included those missiles) became less popular and most battles are now fought at longer ranges - if you are packing AC20s or LLs anyway, there's no real reason to get up close and personal.

[Chavette]

Lock this topic! Hands off!! Ain't nobody touchin' my pink jumpa!!