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[Kommisar]

Yup. In my several hours of Spider ownership I can say the big choice is to Jump or not to Jump. Right now, I made a compromise choice. 3 JJs with the ERPPC. My other build is to load up 7 JJs and throw on the medium pulse lasers. I couldn't bring myself to go completely jumpless, however.

I did try two rounds with the ER Large Laser. In my big mechs, I'm a surgeon with all the Large Lasers. I could still hit while moving fast, but it was very hard to keep the beam on full duration. So, I was rarely getting full damage. Plus, the longer duration made it more dangerous if I was running with friends (in fast mechs) that were running around. My read is the best way to employ the ER large laser is to stay at range. The farther the better.

[Shuyen]

Let me know how that works. Like I said...I think a SDR with ECM will make a crazy behind the lines stealth sniper. The ERPPC will probably be better for that than the laser. That continuous beam will just lead them right back to you if they are looking.

[Kamelkaze]

scruffy416, on 18 April 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

Wow, 2 ERLL? Care to share the loadout? I couldn't manage two without a lot of sacrifices I didn't want to make.

Thats my loadout!

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...48800967010f9fc

Modules:
Advanced sensor range
Target info gathering
360 target retention

Edited by Kamelkaze, 19 April 2013 - 05:20 AM.

[Shuyen]

Kamelkaze, on 19 April 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

Thats my loadout!

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...48800967010f9fc

Modules:
Advanced sensor range
Target info gathering
360 target retention

Ahhh! So a smaller engine and slower speed. Do you essentially just avoid contact with other lights like crazy, and hide and snipe?

I just got an XL250 in mine, purely for the extra space. The stock speed is plenty fast for me, I just wanted the room to mount up something with range. The ML's are gone, replaced with an ERLL, a bit of extra armor and another ton of JJ's, from what I had it at. To recap:

SDR-5D
Endo, Ferro, Standard HS
XL250 engine
ECM
TAG
ERLL
6 JJ
1t armor over stock (or maybe 1.5t, can't remember)

I can definitely sneak/flank with impunity, especially on the two big maps. If my team isn't on the ball enough to use my TAG spotting, I just start hitting exposed mechs with the ERLL. As soon as I see a light start coming my way, I bail and reposition. This SDR does NOT survive for very long against the killers that populate the light ranks...the uber built Ravens or the SSRM Commandos. So far, I can't really see an SDR build that will. So I am trying to find ways to play it completely differently.

Edited by Shuyen, 19 April 2013 - 03:30 PM.

[Megaduce Flare]

Just shortly after the Heavy Metal update, I (along with my horrible FPS) was in a match on Tourmaline, & one of my downed teammates was wondering just how I outfitted my Spider (I'm sure he was also wondering why I couldn't hit the broadside of a dropship, but was polite enough not to say anything).

I think his comment was along the lines of "3 Medium Lasers and ECM? Do you have any armor on that thing?"

So, person whose name I can't remember (sorry), here's my Spider 5D "Speedy".

My apologies if someone has already posed a loadout exactly like this. I haven't read this entire thread yet, and there are only so many ways you can outfit this chassis.

And in case Smurfy is on the fritz:

Spoiler

Endo Steel
Standard Armor
H: 12
CT-F: 26
CT-R: 14
L/RT-F: 18
L/RT-R: 10
RA: 20
LA: 8
RL & LL: 28
Double Heat Sinks
XL 250
Jump Jets x8
ECM
AMS w/1 ton of ammo
Medium Laser x 3

This has worked for me fairly well. Sure the XL means side-torso death is now in play, but Lights are glass cannons no matter what you do, & I felt the trade off for (slightly) more speed, armor, & equipment was worth it. I'm sure in hands more skilled than mine (or at least someone with a decent frame rate) this configuration can be very effective.

[Delchev]

Guys, why are all of you getting XL250, when XL255 weighs exactly the same?

[Kamelkaze]

Shuyen, on 19 April 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

Ahhh! So a smaller engine and slower speed. Do you essentially just avoid contact with other lights like crazy, and hide and snipe?

I just got an XL250 in mine, purely for the extra space. The stock speed is plenty fast for me, I just wanted the room to mount up something with range. The ML's are gone, replaced with an ERLL, a bit of extra armor and another ton of JJ's, from what I had it at. To recap:

SDR-5D
Endo, Ferro, Standard HS
XL250 engine
ECM
TAG
ERLL
6 JJ
1t armor over stock (or maybe 1.5t, can't remember)

I can definitely sneak/flank with impunity, especially on the two big maps. If my team isn't on the ball enough to use my TAG spotting, I just start hitting exposed mechs with the ERLL. As soon as I see a light start coming my way, I bail and reposition. This SDR does NOT survive for very long against the killers that populate the light ranks...the uber built Ravens or the SSRM Commandos. So far, I can't really see an SDR build that will. So I am trying to find ways to play it completely differently.

Sometimes i have to leave the cover and going into medium range and sometimes i get chased from other lights. This can´t be prevented. But the speed isn´t that important as everyone is thinking. I killed a lot of common build Raven 3L with 2 streak and 3 medlaser or Jenner with 6 medlaser or with streaks. The advantage of the second ERLL is that you dont need that much hits do kill another mech, so you can use cover! Besides this, i don´t want harassing the heavys or the assault mech, i want to kill them!

About the speed: Yesterday for example i got nearly 900 damage with a rvn 4x with 2 ER PPC with a 170 XL Engine and 79 kph topspeed.

Edited by Kamelkaze, 20 April 2013 - 07:28 AM.

[FunkyFritter]

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e790c823c8e683c

This is the best build I've found. It has a nice niche over the 3L in that it can stay back and provide ECM support for the team while still dealing damage. 3 jets is plenty for maneuvering and the small lasers give it respectable punch at all ranges.

[Delchev]

Kamelkaze, on 20 April 2013 - 07:27 AM, said:

Sometimes i have to leave the cover and going into medium range and sometimes i get chased from other lights. This can´t be prevented. But the speed isn´t that important as everyone is thinking. I killed a lot of common build Raven 3L with 2 streak and 3 medlaser or Jenner with 6 medlaser or with streaks. The advantage of the second ERLL is that you dont need that much hits do kill another mech, so you can use cover! Besides this, i don´t want harassing the heavys or the assault mech, i want to kill them!

About the speed: Yesterday for example i got nearly 900 damage with a rvn 4x with 2 ER PPC with a 170 XL Engine and 79 kph topspeed.

I don't know what are you doing with your Raven 4x, but you can fit 2xERPPC and max engine XL245 in it quite easily and it will have nearly the same heat efficiency (28 vs 31).
XL170 build:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...814851ee18a36cf


XL245 build -- speed 113 kph without speed tweak:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a8b5ae42647a6cb

[Kamelkaze]

Thats the 4x build:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...019ec058a599db2

[Delchev]

Kamelkaze, on 20 April 2013 - 12:15 PM, said:

Thats the 4x build:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...019ec058a599db2

As I suspected.

Just check how much better you can make the same build with XL 245. 1% difference in heat efficiency.
The only difference is BAP. I think 45% faster mech is so much better then having BAP.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a8b5ae42647a6cb

[Megaduce Flare]

Delchev, on 20 April 2013 - 07:05 AM, said:

Guys, why are all of you getting XL250, when XL255 weighs exactly the same?

For me, I already had the 250 XL left over from my 7M Trebuchet when I was done with it. I do plan to eventually get a 255 XL, but I figure if I'm going to spend that much money, I might as well get the Stalker it comes with. Your mileage may vary.

[Huge]

MourningZero, on 16 April 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

5D with 2 large lasers in the arm is an absolute beast. You can run 152kph circles around things while accurately aiming your point and click 18 damage beam. Has enough flexibility in the arm to fire directly behind you with skills mastered.

2 large lasers, ecm, dhs, endo, ferro, done. I leave off the JJs, since the predictability on landing tends to get more parts blown off than the flight time ever helps.

Most games, if they go longer than 3 minutes, will see the spider as 1st or 2nd in damage well above the other assault and heavy lancemates. You just bob and weave and constantly apply those large lasers to everything you can see. Some games, if you are the last man standing, can become very interesting:

This goes against everything inside me that screams 'MUST GO FAST' but if you drop down to 215 you can still run at 127 kph and lash out at 450m which is pretty damn good. Nice for adding dmg when you see targets and got the spare heat. Plus 18 per alpha is a damn good back attack. Do it once and scram or just scalpel mechs from a distance while they are distracted. I even got the ECM and a few JJ just for the sake of having the option and it runs decently cool.