20 replies to this topic

[Atayu]

I Enjoy the PVP environment of games like MWO is going to be. I think it would be great though If in year or so when the clans raid the IS, they put them in as a PVE environment. Make it so you earn a new kind of credits in those missions, these credits could go towards prototype and clan gear. This would keep then unbalanced clan mechs out of the PVP environment and add a hole new branch of game play. It could be done like mercenary was except to have more then just you in your unit other players fill those spots. Different missions and numbers of mechs allowed per mission could vary by time of day and what factions you are aligned with.
I really do not think this will happen but it would be great to see a mass online game make a strong PVP and PVE environment that can overlap on each other, in play and in story line.

[Team Leader]

That's a good idea, but it would seem kind of pointless to work hard for clan tech only to use it against AI clan units. Maybe those clan credits could go to some online PvP weapons And mechs but it would be hard to keep it balanced. But I like the missions idea.

[Atayu]

Team Leader, on 04 June 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

That's a good idea, but it would seem kind of pointless to work hard for clan tech only to use it against AI clan units. Maybe those clan credits could go to some online PvP weapons And mechs but it would be hard to keep it balanced. But I like the missions idea.

I was talking about clan and prototype modules , ECM's and weapons That you can mount in your IS mechs. You would be able to use them in PVP just the Clan mech chassis would not be available for players.

[DireWolf307]

I think that's a great idea. After awhile they could become playable, though, but at start it makes perfect sense to make them PvE.

[Davers]

I dunno. The only way a computer can come close to equalling a real person is by cheating. After fighting real people to fight some dumb bot (that is supposed to be totally better than you) would be a real let down.

[Gladewolf]

Davers, on 04 June 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

I dunno. The only way a computer can come close to equalling a real person is by cheating. After fighting real people to fight some dumb bot (that is supposed to be totally better than you) would be a real let down.

-Fighting Mechs that can carry almost twice your damage per ton in weaponry and move as fast or faster than you with better targeting and armor might be considered "cheating"

-The battles could even be "judged" by Devs to determine who gets "captured" to become some of our first clan(freebirth) warriors even...While others could earn enough parts to either modify to clan tech or perhaps capture a depot or some such.

[Joanna Conners]

Davers, on 04 June 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

I dunno. The only way a computer can come close to equalling a real person is by cheating. After fighting real people to fight some dumb bot (that is supposed to be totally better than you) would be a real let down.

I agree. I don't want to see the Clans run by AI. I want them to be playable. I truly, sincerely want some of the most bad-*** players to be Clanners so that the sight of them on the battlefield makes your heart skip a beat.

[Atayu]

Demona, on 07 June 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

I agree. I don't want to see the Clans run by AI. I want them to be playable. I truly, sincerely want some of the most bad-*** players to be Clanners so that the sight of them on the battlefield makes your heart skip a beat.

The problem I have with this is skilled players that are already better then the masses will be the guys earning these when they first come out. Then you have a Superior player in a superior mech so 1 of them can take a heard of regular guys no problem. This will drastically unbalance the game. I guess they could make it you can only drive a clan mech if you have a 25 percent or worse win rate. Then you could use one to compete with skilled players even though you are horrible at the game.

[Joanna Conners]

Atayu, on 07 June 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

The problem I have with this is skilled players that are already better then the masses will be the guys earning these when they first come out. Then you have a Superior player in a superior mech so 1 of them can take a heard of regular guys no problem. This will drastically unbalance the game. I guess they could make it you can only drive a clan mech if you have a 25 percent or worse win rate. Then you could use one to compete with skilled players even though you are horrible at the game.

Except for the skilled players still in the IS. I don't want the game to be "balanced". I want it to be MechWarrior.

[Ashla Mason]

Gladewolf, on 04 June 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

-Fighting Mechs that can carry almost twice your damage per ton in weaponry and move as fast or faster than you with better targeting and armor might be considered "cheating"

Cry some more. Clan weaponry isn't insermountable, and I have heard people talk about "intelligent AI" in video games since the mid 90's, and it always turns out to be the same old stupid program that I figure out how to manipulate inside of 20 minutes.

Besides that, the last thing I'd ever want to see is people grinding missions with clans in order to "gear up" for fights with other players. Christ, If I wanted that I'd be lined up for guild wars or still playing warcraft.

[Keizer]

just let clans play aganst clans if your not part of one you wouldnt have to play against them

[Joanna Conners]

Keizer, on 07 June 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

just let clans play aganst clans if your not part of one you wouldnt have to play against them

That would be fun how... ?

[Ramien]

Atayu, on 07 June 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

The problem I have with this is skilled players that are already better then the masses will be the guys earning these when they first come out. Then you have a Superior player in a superior mech so 1 of them can take a heard of regular guys no problem. This will drastically unbalance the game. I guess they could make it you can only drive a clan mech if you have a 25 percent or worse win rate. Then you could use one to compete with skilled players even though you are horrible at the game.

If more skilled players decide they want to play Clans, hopefully there will be something to make it challenging for those players without allowing either side to steamroll the other - something like having Clanners normally be outnumbered in combat. The exact numbers would have to be considered carefully, of course, but it should be possible to get a rough estimate of what would make a fair fight...

Of course, I half expect the first few appearances of the Clans to not be a fair fight, just to match the existing canon. It would definitely help set up some in game hostility between the factions, as we've already seen with the people saying that Clan players just want the better tech to cover for their skill, but it could also discourage those of us who choose to stay with the IS, since it would be stacking the odds against us heavily at that point. It would still beat sticking to canon and losing worlds to the Clan by fiat, though. At least with stacked odds, there's still a chance, albeit a slim one.

[Ashla Mason]

Ramien, on 07 June 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

If more skilled players decide they want to play Clans, hopefully there will be something to make it challenging for those players without allowing either side to steamroll the other - something like having Clanners normally be outnumbered in combat. The exact numbers would have to be considered carefully, of course, but it should be possible to get a rough estimate of what would make a fair fight...

Of course, I half expect the first few appearances of the Clans to not be a fair fight, just to match the existing canon. It would definitely help set up some in game hostility between the factions, as we've already seen with the people saying that Clan players just want the better tech to cover for their skill, but it could also discourage those of us who choose to stay with the IS, since it would be stacking the odds against us heavily at that point. It would still beat sticking to canon and losing worlds to the Clan by fiat, though. At least with stacked odds, there's still a chance, albeit a slim one.

I'm of the mind that 2 stars against a company is a pretty good match up as long as you get a good mix of mechs on both sides.

I think one of the things that posters are forgetting, is that the inner sphere's forces (though technologically inferior) have a better grasp of team work then the clans; Things like recon, indirect fire and other sorts of shenanigans are fairly unknown to them and could be used against them.

In essence: fight smarter not harder.

[Aethon]

Atayu, on 04 June 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

I Enjoy the PVP environment of games like MWO is going to be. I think it would be great though If in year or so when the clans raid the IS, they put them in as a PVE environment. Make it so you earn a new kind of credits in those missions, these credits could go towards prototype and clan gear. This would keep then unbalanced clan mechs out of the PVP environment and add a hole new branch of game play. It could be done like mercenary was except to have more then just you in your unit other players fill those spots. Different missions and numbers of mechs allowed per mission could vary by time of day and what factions you are aligned with.
I really do not think this will happen but it would be great to see a mass online game make a strong PVP and PVE environment that can overlap on each other, in play and in story line.

Furthermore, stop claiming things are unbalanced in a game you've never played. Clan mechs aren't even in the closed beta yet.

Edited by Aethon, 07 June 2012 - 09:20 PM.

[DeltaZeroOneNine]

Ashla Mason, on 07 June 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

I'm of the mind that 2 stars against a company is a pretty good match up as long as you get a good mix of mechs on both sides.

I think one of the things that posters are forgetting, is that the inner sphere's forces (though technologically inferior) have a better grasp of team work then the clans; Things like recon, indirect fire and other sorts of shenanigans are fairly unknown to them and could be used against them.

In essence: fight smarter not harder.

In essence: fight smarter not harder.
TEAM WORK IS KEY TO VICTORY!!!!
No Plan Survives contact with the Enemy.
Adapt to the situation or fail in a blaze of shame...

[Smiffy]

I completely agree with you man, although I have to note whenever I post something llike this I get nothing but flack from people who just want to murder everything with clan tech, or seem to think that I dont want to have clan tech in the game at all.

[Ashla Mason]

Smiffy, on 07 June 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

I completely agree with you man, although I have to note whenever I post something llike this I get nothing but flack from people who just want to murder everything with clan tech, or seem to think that I dont want to have clan tech in the game at all.

That might have something to do with the mewling and whining that goes on about how OP the clans are when the truth is that there tech isn't THAT much more powerful. To hear people talk about them You'd think it was the equivelant of an AC-130 being pitted against a roman legion.

If the Devs are indeed serious about maintaining a comparable timeline to that of the setting then the clan invasion is going to happen and they will most likely go on a rampage through the IS players until they figure out what there advantages are over the clans (and yes, the clans have weaknesses).

Edited by Ashla Mason, 08 June 2012 - 07:49 AM.

[DoomsdayJesus]

Ashla Mason, on 08 June 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

That might have something to do with the mewling and whining that goes on about how OP the clans are when the truth is that there tech isn't THAT much more powerful. To hear people talk about them You'd think it was the equivelant of an AC-130 being pitted against a roman legion.

If the Devs are indeed serious about maintaining a comparable timeline to that of the setting then the clan invasion is going to happen and they will most likely go on a rampage through the IS players until they figure out what there advantages are over the clans (and yes, the clans have weaknesses).

Problem is the Clan weakness was always solo fighting without good team tactics. There is nothing i can think of that will keep players with access to clan tech from using team speak or some other form of communication to maximize their strengths while mitigating their weakness.

So saying "Clans have a weakness" which in the cannon they do, but doesnt carry over to the game is pointless.

[Ashla Mason]

DoomsdayJesus, on 08 June 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

Problem is the Clan weakness was always solo fighting without good team tactics. There is nothing i can think of that will keep players with access to clan tech from using team speak or some other form of communication to maximize their strengths while mitigating their weakness.

So saying "Clans have a weakness" which in the cannon they do, but doesnt carry over to the game is pointless.

I'd be willing to bet my left nut that the clans currency system is going to be based heavily off of Zell, so players engaging in mob mentality may win lots of fights but will have serious problems getting the parts and equipment for their mechs (to say nothing of NEW mechs) in comparison to those who do.

Further, as a clan player, I'd be fine with the developers disabling certain options for clan players that are counter intuitive to Zellbrigen (like indirect fire), giving a numbers advantage to IS pilots...