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[Hellcat420]

since you have given the omnimechs main advantage to every mech in the game(essentally making every mech in mwo an omnimech), what boost are you going to give omnimechs?

[Vrekgar]

Hellcat420, on 18 April 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

since you have given the omnimechs main advantage to every mech in the game(essentally making every mech in mwo an omnimech), what boost are you going to give omnimechs?

No they haven't. If all mechs now were omnis you could slap ANY weapon from ANY type into ANY slot.

[One Medic Army]

If an atlas was an omnimech it could fit a PPC or an LRM20 in it's right torso, rather than just any ballistic.

[Hellcat420]

does it take a refit kit or lots of money for refit or time to swap weapons? cause non omnimechs require these things to switch weapons. that is what made omnimechs superior, they could quickly swap weapons between battles, where non omnimechs took money/time/refit kit/ and in some instances a mech factory to switch weapons.

Edited by Hellcat420, 18 April 2013 - 06:15 PM.

[Lucian Nostra]

Nope, we have funky mechs atm. Your restricted on slots but feel free to swap out weapons and engines all day erryday free of charge as long as you own them.

[Tennex]

omni slot should be limited

to a couple of components

or maybe to a few hardpoints.

Edited by Tennex, 18 April 2013 - 06:17 PM.

[jay35]

Tennex, on 18 April 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

omni slot should be limited

to a couple of components

or maybe to a few hardpoints.

That doesn't sound very omni at all. That sounds bi or tri.

Hellcat420, on 18 April 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

since you have given the omnimechs main advantage to every mech in the game(essentally making every mech in mwo an omnimech), what boost are you going to give omnimechs?

Heck, I wouldn't care if Clan weaponry was available to all mechs in order to keep balance and keep IS mechs useful. If Clan equipment is available to all, that takes a lot of the balance challenge out of the way.

Either way, just being able to own and level and customize and pilot the Clan mechs would be enough fun all its own.

[CheeseThief]

I wouldn't mind Omnimechs being given mutliple 'saved' designs that the player can choose from in the map loading screen.

If I drop with my omnimech and get river city then I can use my close range Varient A, where as if I drop on Alpine I can grab my long range Varient B.


[sarcasm]Thats not borderline overpowered in the slightest[/sarcasm] but it would certainly be in character for omnitech.

Edited by CheeseThief, 18 April 2013 - 06:22 PM.

[Viper69]

jay35, on 18 April 2013 - 06:20 PM, said:

That sounds bi or tri.

Dont ask dont tell.

[Hellcat420]

the other omnimech advantage is moot since this game does not take repair time into account=(

[TheMadTypist]

They could:

Have "Pod space" instead of hardpoints, where specific critical slots are the only ones you can fill with weapons, but have no type limitations (space limitations rather than type and numeric limitations),

Have hardpoints of blank type, permitting the use of all three families of weapon within those slots.

have loadouts that functionally work the same way, but allow "saved" loadouts from owned components to be hotswapped before a match.

Have no limitations whatsoever, as in MW2 and MW3.

In any case, unless the function of Omni is actually pretty advantageous they probably won't include the downside of omni either- nonswappable engines and static armor values.

[Tennex]

i'm more interested in how they implement the pilot mastery system. its in need of a rehaul imo.

omni mechs are kind of dumb. and ruin the uniqueness of any mech. since other mechs of similar weight can mount the same things.

i definately would not mind if MWO found some way to keep them distinct by somehow limiting how omni it is.

Edited by Tennex, 18 April 2013 - 06:35 PM.

[jay35]

I have 40 IS mechs in my stable so far. I'd like them to remain viable, and their viability has zero impact on whether I pick up Clan mechs as well. I already have every intention of acquiring just as many Clan mechs if not more. But it would be nice if my IS mechs were still worth using after those Clan mechs arrive.

[Hellcat420]

quoted wrong post

Edited by Hellcat420, 18 April 2013 - 06:48 PM.

[FupDup]

Hellcat420, on 18 April 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

so you want this game to be generic robot fps like hawken?

I never knew that Hawken had the Clans and IS.

Hellcat420, on 18 April 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

so you want this game to be generic robot fps like hawkin? i think you miss the point. only omnimechs can switch weapons at will. non omnimechs have to go through great expense/time/ and maybe trip to a mech factory to switch weapons from their default. that is why there are variants of every mech to begin with, because you cant just switch weapons at will on them.

Tell that to the Mechlab.

Edited by FupDup, 18 April 2013 - 06:49 PM.

[Hellcat420]

Tennex, on 18 April 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

i'm more interested in how they implement the pilot mastery system. its in need of a rehaul imo.

omni mechs are kind of dumb. and ruin the uniqueness of any mech. since other mechs of similar weight can mount the same things.

i definately would not mind if MWO found some way to keep them distinct by somehow limiting how omni it is.

so you want this game to be generic robot fps like hawkin? i think you miss the point. only omnimechs can switch weapons at will. non omnimechs have to go through great expense/time/ and maybe trip to a mech factory to switch weapons from their default. that is why there are variants of every mech to begin with, because you cant just switch weapons at will on them.

[IceSerpent]

Hellcat420, on 18 April 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

does it take a refit kit or lots of money for refit or time to swap weapons? cause non omnimechs require these things to switch weapons. that is what made omnimechs superior, they could quickly swap weapons between battles, where non omnimechs took money/time/refit kit/ and in some instances a mech factory to switch weapons.

It doesn't (only requires you to have the other weapon pod at hand), but omni comes with its own restrictions (can't change engines for example).

[Hellcat420]

IceSerpent, on 18 April 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

It doesn't (only requires you to have the other weapon pod at hand), but omni comes with its own restrictions (can't change engines for example).

yes i know, my point was that non omnimechs cant just change weapons at will because its supposed to take a refit kit, time, lot of money, and depending on weapon swap a mech factory to change weapons.

[TheMadTypist]

Hellcat420, on 18 April 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

so you want this game to be generic robot fps like hawken?

Um... what?

There's kinda a major disconnect between wanting everything to be equally viable, and creating a generic robot fps. He doesn't even specifically say clan 'mechs need less power, just that there still be a reason to field IS tech. IS getting a numerical advantage is one option. IS getting a greater reward is another.

You're getting too caught up in the specifics here- just because the function of Omni battlemechs will be different in this title doesn't make it a lesser game. Hell, every mechwarrior title thus far has included this much if not more customization on every type of battlemech.

While I applaud the idea of seeking to capture the flavor of the clans, keeping their machines distinct, extraordinary levels of customization compared to other titles has always been a big draw of the mechwarrior brand. Even back when hawken's machines were at their most customizable, they still had nothing in comparison to the currently available mechlab. Insisting that current designs should be limited into obsolescence "because the canon says so" might make the game more in line with the established canon, but it would also be a blow that would both make the game itself less enjoyable, and make the game less distinctly mechwarrior, as well. This is a BT based game, not a BT translation.

[Hellcat420]

TheMadTypist, on 18 April 2013 - 07:06 PM, said:

Um... what?

There's kinda a major disconnect between wanting everything to be equally viable, and creating a generic robot fps. He doesn't even specifically say clan 'mechs need less power, just that there still be a reason to field IS tech. IS getting a numerical advantage is one option. IS getting a greater reward is another.

You're getting too caught up in the specifics here- just because the function of Omni battlemechs will be different in this title doesn't make it a lesser game. Hell, every mechwarrior title thus far has included this much if not more customization on every type of battlemech.

While I applaud the idea of seeking to capture the flavor of the clans, keeping their machines distinct, extraordinary levels of customization compared to other titles has always been a big draw of the mechwarrior brand. Even back when hawken's machines were at their most customizable, they still had nothing in comparison to the currently available mechlab. Insisting that current designs should be limited into obsolescence "because the canon says so" might make the game more in line with the established canon, but it would also be a blow that would both make the game itself less enjoyable, and make the game less distinctly mechwarrior, as well. This is a BT based game, not a BT translation.

other than the mech names this game is really nothing like mechwarrior. maybe some of us would like a real mechwarrior game at some point. i am gettin sick of these generic robot shooters with the mechwarrior name slapped on them.