Point to the spot on the doll where the bad, playground-straifing, money-grubbing, company touched you.
You rant on and on about how the GD forum was a cesspool, yet this is one of your typical trolling posts. You derail more converstions than just about anyone in these forums, yet have the audacity to complain about how bad the forums are.
As for the topic at hand.....the GD forum were eliminated because they were an embarrasment to the people at PGI who by their own actions have shown themselves to have huge internet egos...kinda like roadbeer actually now that I think about it. The GD will not be coming back, we all know this.
I suggest we just make the comstar focus group the new GD. Make the forum nazis work for their pay (so to speak of course)!
While I would like PGI to not be so slow in getting something done, I've played enough F2P games to know that no other developer actually does what PGI does. It listens.
I suggest we just make the comstar focus group the new GD. Make the forum nazis work for their pay (so to speak of course)!
LULZ,
Since you can't create topics here, you'd be forced to remain *gasp* in a single thread on the topic...
Yeah, go ahead an make CFG your new GD, I'm 100% behind your suggestion.
I have to disagree with this. Syllogy is updating his "content" tracker post at least every other day with new information. Much better than a lot of other games I've been a part of.
Where is the Syllogy thread located these days? I can't find it, maybe I am an ***** or maybe having 70+ subforums is a bit too much. One of the few really useful threads on these boards.
Where is the Syllogy thread located these days? I can't find it, maybe I am an ***** or maybe having 70+ subforums is a bit too much. One of the few really useful threads on these boards.
Play some other F2P games. Find a bug. Report it. See how long it takes.
Some I've waited years, and still no bug fix.
PGI fixes it within 2 weeks to a month.
Map bugs were fixed for a long while. Then some changes to the map, and we have them again. They're more or less new causes, so they're really new bugs.
When's the last time you fell through the map while alive?
When's the last time flamers cleared your heat to zero?
When's the last time someone instantly killed the entire team?
When's the last time you saw an Atlas running 190 kph?
When's the last time you saw a mech run god mode?
When's the last time you made over 3,000,000 cbills in a match?
When's the last time you spent MC for a cockpit item that grew old and died in 7 days?
Before the April 2nd patch, when's the last time you had a map bug? Be honest.
When's the last time you experienced this bug?
Or this bug?
How about this one?
Remember I mentioned this bug before?
Took PGI the next patch to fix it. But this following one
Took DICE 4 months.
When's the last time you saw someone do this?
Or this one? Which I confess I'm not happy about its fix (now if missiles are fired from under water they do no damage at all).
There was a time when anything that touched the water automatically did zero damage, allowing for light mechs to be completely invincible.
All of the above is fixed. Usually within weeks of someone reporting it.
Got a bug that you're suffering? Want them to do something about it? Report it. Send in video and your specs. The more info they get, the less time they can spend with one hand below the desk and the more time they can spend fixing it.
Don't sit on your rear complaining on the forums where they'll never see it. Nothing gets done by complaining to the people who can't fix it. The forum mods? Got nothing to do with how the game works, nor are they paid to relay more than "Trends." Tell the guys at support who can pass it on to the people that can fix it. Or don't whine. Also, do you have an up to date computer? This game is going to get a bit harder to run on older systems as they steadily enhance the graphics threshold from medium (nothing above medium runs and if you watch the closed beta videos I have you'll see the huge difference) to high in the upcoming months.
The settings high and very high have not worked since a little before October. As they steadily re-enable stuff, it will get worse until the also upcoming higher-end optimizations. (The reason they forced medium settings as the cap with medium quality coming up for high and very high is quite simple; the game was poorly optimized for high end systems and they prioritized low end systems first. I'm certain you noticed there is no tessellation, anti-aliasing is off, texture quality is 1024x1024 at best where my closed beta pre-october patch had textures up to 4096x4096. Even if you have a high end system, the load will change quite a bit over the next few months as they continue to enable the features.)
You rant on and on about how the GD forum was a cesspool, yet this is one of your typical trolling posts. You derail more converstions than just about anyone in these forums, yet have the audacity to complain about how bad the forums are.
Give RoadBeer a break.
One. He is jsut being who he has always been. No change.
Two. He is actually helping our cause. He is showing how breaking up the forums not only creates rage but does nothing to stop the trolls.
So by showing that trolls will continue to troll the only reason they can point to to keep stomping on our heads with their Official IGP Stormtrooper boots is that they just do not want to hear us.
Let them make that argument in public.
Good job. Keep on pointing out that the Moderators are useless against you.
I think you missed the point.
It's the hyperbolic rhetoric that I troll, not the topics themselves.
If you can't have a conversation without resorting to allusions of totalitarian censorship, accusations of malfeasance avoid absolutes like "always" and "never", and fall back on ad hominem when it's not going your way, your argumentative skills are poor at best.
You put yourselves into traps, and in the interest of making you post better, I exploit that, and I do it in such a way that if the MODs were forced to moderate me, then they'd have to moderate your position too. The difference is, I don't believe I'm being censored when they do it, I accept the fact that I might have gone too far.
I think you missed the point.
It's the hyperbolic rhetoric that I troll, not the topics themselves.
If you can't have a conversation without resorting to allusions of totalitarian censorship, accusations of malfeasance avoid absolutes like "always" and "never", and fall back on ad hominem when it's not going your way, your argumentative skills are poor at best.
You put yourselves into traps, and in the interest of making you post better, I exploit that, and I do it in such a way that if the MODs were forced to moderate me, then they'd have to moderate your position too. The difference is, I don't believe I'm being censored when they do it, I accept the fact that I might have gone too far.
I eat hyperbole and ad hominem for breakfast.
It is understood that the members of the community at times "go too far".
And censorship is censorship.
Moderated forums are by definition censored. They do have that right, they are not a government and this is not a First Amendment issue.
Now if we want to look at the actions of IGP in this forum and discuss if they are being smart or stupid that is something I am all for. I fully believe that the actions they have taken were incredibly misguided at best.
Removing GD with no real discussion.
Pretending to listen to what we said.
and the worst thing they did was that Referendum. That seemed to me to be the penultimate statement of "F.-.U" to the community.
I do not think that was their intention. I think that they thought it would work. To me though it just made me think that they believe that the vast majority of us are stupid. They may be right.
It is understood that the members of the community at times "go too far".
And censorship is censorship.
Moderated forums are by definition censored. They do have that right, they are not a government and this is not a First Amendment issue.
Now if we want to look at the actions of IGP in this forum and discuss if they are being smart or stupid that is something I am all for. I fully believe that the actions they have taken were incredibly misguided at best.
Removing GD with no real discussion.
Pretending to listen to what we said.
and the worst thing they did was that Referendum. That seemed to me to be the penultimate statement of "F.-.U" to the community.
I do not think that was their intention. I think that they thought it would work. To me though it just made me think that they believe that vast majority of us are stupid. They may be right.
Krzysztof z Bagien, on 01 May 2013 - 07:20 AM, said:
So what is the purpose of the forums again?
Suggestions, general feedback, debates, etc. Whining happens but let's be honest, people whine, and then they get attacked for being poor players or for having a dinosaur of a computer. Therefore, what is the point?
Far as actual specific technical issues, the forum can try to help you with it but usually can't. Nor can the forum help you fix a bug that happens only for one person or a specific brand of video card without knowing what it is.
This isn't a console game. It's not the same bug for everyone.
The revisit of the map/hud bugs? They're related to conflicts in the new map script. Lower levels of RAM experience them more than higher levels (samples of this are from my group, people with 4 and 8 gigs encounter the bugs all the time. I have 16 gigs, and I'll get them once every 3 to 7 hours, with increasing frequency if I don't relog the game. The few with 32 gigs of ram say they have never had a hud bug with the past two patches. It's true these are bugs in almost everyone's faces.
There are, however, some bugs that happen to specific people but they complain... without ever actually reporting it. So the actual staff just sees the general "fix your bugs" but nothing about what bug it is. How can PGI help you? They can't if they don't know about it.
Also, bug fixes not specific to your computer take time. Some make it within the deadline of the next patch. Some fail to make it in time and "will be implemented in the following patch."
Edit: (usually not turned to usually can't)
April 2nd, lots of the lance system got commented out of the script because it wasn't ready (caused hud bugs since some of it was poorly written and had some checksum and other errors that gradually pile up if you don't relog the game every so often). Problem is that it caused catastrophic script failures reducing frame rates and causing considerable crashes. Re-enabling the scripts for the lance system in the April 16th patch has reduced the bugs that they were trying to avoid by commenting out the lance system, and now they're working on it. Clearly they didn't see it would have made the bugs worse when they did so.
I agree. Roadbeer has made some very constructive posts IMO. Although him and I disagree, in PMs (and I don't think he will mind me saying this) he has always been polite, to the point and willing to listen and actually give well thought out counter arguments, his thought and time.
Purplefluffybunny, on 01 May 2013 - 09:36 AM, said:
I agree. Roadbeer has made some very constructive posts IMO. Although him and I disagree, in PMs (and I don't think he will mind me saying this) he has always been polite, to the point and willing to listen and actually give well thought out counter arguments, his thought and time.
Yup. I had a few PMs with him.
I think that a majority of people on this forum would be more human one on one.
Also I think that if IGP could learn to communicate effectively they would have a much easier time at moderating the forums.
So far though it seems that like like to just double down on stupid.
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Also I think that if IGP could learn to communicate effectively they would have a much easier time at moderating the forums.[...]
You do not know the half of it. The past two days have been so disheartening for me that I am going to go out and get a 4 pack to drown my sorrows. Yes, I am a light weight as 8 units is more than enough for me! See what you are doing to me forums!
*signed*
Purplefluffybunny's liver
Edited by Purplefluffybunny, 01 May 2013 - 09:46 AM.
Communication has always been my real issue with PGI/IGP.
I made a post once, that lasted about 30 seconds in a thread that was deleted, because the thread took a horrible turn.
The information was topical at the time so, if you'll excuse the fact that the data in it is somewhat dated, allow me to repost my thoughts on the communication issue.
(This was actually a reply in a thread that PFB created)
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Ok, I think I was able to wrap my brain around that, I'm still on my first cup of coffee, so bare with me.
I do have to say, I respect and admire PGI for trying to bring this game to market, they love the genre and wanted to see BT/MW brought back into the world after a hiatus that's usually a death sentence. Sure they may not be the best in the field for the skill sets required, but they're trying and well... God bless them.
Having said that.
I think PGIs biggest problem, and I'm serious when I say this, their biggest problem, is communication.
1.) Being Coy: "Guys, this is going to be so cool, but we want to surprise you with it". Ok, we know you want to keep stuff close to your chest, and that you want us to be excited about it, because you're as passionate about the game as we are. The problem with that is, it gets too built up. If you tell us about something a month in advance, you'll have your "WOW" factor. But when you spend 6 months in blackout on the topic and allow endless speculation about it, when it actually comes out, if it isn't something completely revolutionary, your response is going to be "meh, I was holding my breath for this?". Instead of the Red Rider BB gun, you just gave us a bunny suit from an aunt that smells of mothballs.
2.) Phrasing: You're all pretty smart guys, so are we. Your forum denizens are just as savvy with words as you are. More than a few the poor choice of words have erupted into firestorms. Sacrosanct in regards to 1PV is a good example:
sac·ro·sanct : Adj: Regarded as too important or valuable to be interfered with.
When you say that, you have just boxed yourself in, and if (for whatever reason) you have to change your position, that word is going to get thrown in your face, and the "PGI lied, electrons died" crowd comes out. Another good example was in the Polygon interview where "probably require a premium account" was said. Now I know that there is the "misquoted" statement that followed it, so I'm not wanting to turn this thread into a topic about that. What I'm talking about is the choice of words. Probably... well, anything with a probability over 0 has a chance of happening. In modern conversation"probably" denotes "likely", though frequently in conversation it's followed by "not" or "so" to emphasize likelihood. In those situations, say what you mean, or don't say anything.
3.) Follow Through: When you say you're going to do something, do it. In this I can only reference the Tweets that followed the Polygon interview. I'm paraphrasing when I say it was Tweeted that "I was misquoted, I'll answer this later next week". You have just put out in the Universe that you intend to make a statement and within a certain time frame. When you do that, and don't follow through, it makes it seem like you're just being dismissive of our concerns. Which brings me to...
4.) Respect: I'm going to dovetail this with item 2. You choose incredibly poor words when you say things like "The forum isn't our core demographic","The forum is just a small portion of the community", "I'm not concerned about the forum". I'm paraphrasing those quotes of course but it can't be denied that those were the takeaway from the actual quotes. Sure, the forum may be a small portion of your overall player base, but we're obviously the most vocal of your player base. If you continue to whip a dog, sooner or later it's going to take a chunk of your flesh.
5.) Facts, Feedback and Honesty: I have to say, of all the games I've ever been a part of, I have the leas tinformation about future plans than I can remember with this one. Because your forum dwellers are passionate enough to visit the site daily and comment on various aspects of your product (sometimes ad nausium). Give us the tools we need to speak intelligently on the topic. Tell us how the system actually works and let us theorycraft out a solution when it stops working. You don't have to be technical, just give a thumbnail.
LRMs are a good example of how you're doing it right. We know the damage, flight speed, spread and splash damage. Anyone paying attention is able to give you various thoughts on where the system is going wrong and how to adjust it. The RVN-3L and ECM are examples of how you're doing it wrong. If you had come out and said "Hey guys, ECM is the cornerstone of Information Warfare, we're basing the rest of it around that. So it is working as intended, just wait until we implement the rest of it". That gives us something to point to. But when you just say"ECM is working as intended" you get the forum erupting with "OMGZ NERF ECM", "OMGZ the 3L is OP". That shows that your playerbase is ill informed about the core system and you have countless threads based off of innocent ignorance.
And if, God forbid, you have not idea what to do about the system just be honest and ask us, we'll give you hundreds of ideas, sure, not all may be practical or possible, but a lot may be. We are here to help you, not just troll you.
I'm sure I could give you more examples about how a little information would go a long way with us and foster a more constructive community. Haters gonna hate, and you're not going to stop that. People will complain about the taxes when they won the lottery. But if you give those of us who want to succeed the information we need, we can shout them down.
TL:DR
In short, we love you, stop fracking with us so we can throw gobs of money at you
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Roadbeer, on 30 April 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:
