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[BoydofZINJ]

So far all the competitions is a matter of luck, skill, and RNG.

However, what competition does not have luck, skill, and RNG? Poker competitions do too... no matter how great a poker player is... someone having all spades versus someone having three twos has RNG and bad luck - but the bluff and skill factor can make the all spades fold to three two player.

I believe the biggest problem these competitions have is this:
TIME.

What if I had no job and no school and nothing to do this week? I would potentially have more games and as a result more RNG and luck to get a better score. Likewise, let us pretend YOU had work, a new child, and school this week. Your very first child was born and work gave you something to do that if you dont do... you get fired... and you have a final that is due and the university dont care about your personal life.. You may not have enough time to play as many matches as someone who had more time. As a result, equal skill players tend not to be higher in scores - because they can not play enough times to get that lucky game where they kill 6 mechs, get 2 assist and they do 1200+ damage and the rest of the team gets less than 350 damage - but the player still lived, and wins...

Time is the one thing you can not plan for. Some people have more of it ... some less... and the devs dont care... people with more time will TEND TO win more than the people who do not have as much time.

[BellatorMonk]

Koreanese, on 29 April 2013 - 10:58 AM, said:

lol monk is going around telling top leaderboard players cheat to win because he cant play as good. so I suppose if you didn't make the try out for the baseball team, you could accuse everyone else for steroid abuse

Whoa hold the phone there...where I have I said any particular top leader boarder has cheated? All I keep seeing at this point from you is a constant denial that you cheat which is beginning to make me wonder why you keep responding. All I have said is the system is broken and there are people trying to cheat the system which is invaliding any healthy competition.

Maybe you should stop putting words in my mouth and attacking me.

Edited by BellatorMonk, 29 April 2013 - 11:36 AM.

[Xenroth]

I say some people are very suspicious with their score especially some light pilots

Edited by Xenroth, 29 April 2013 - 11:42 AM.

[Koreanese]

Boydsan, on 29 April 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

So far all the competitions is a matter of luck, skill, and RNG.

However, what competition does not have luck, skill, and RNG? Poker competitions do too... no matter how great a poker player is... someone having all spades versus someone having three twos has RNG and bad luck - but the bluff and skill factor can make the all spades fold to three two player.

I believe the biggest problem these competitions have is this:
TIME.

What if I had no job and no school and nothing to do this week? I would potentially have more games and as a result more RNG and luck to get a better score. Likewise, let us pretend YOU had work, a new child, and school this week. Your very first child was born and work gave you something to do that if you dont do... you get fired... and you have a final that is due and the university dont care about your personal life.. You may not have enough time to play as many matches as someone who had more time. As a result, equal skill players tend not to be higher in scores - because they can not play enough times to get that lucky game where they kill 6 mechs, get 2 assist and they do 1200+ damage and the rest of the team gets less than 350 damage - but the player still lived, and wins...

Time is the one thing you can not plan for. Some people have more of it ... some less... and the devs dont care... people with more time will TEND TO win more than the people who do not have as much time.

this is quite true lol. im tired and sleepy

[Soy]

At least I forced you to play for 24 hours. ^^

[Koreanese]

i hate you soy, go sell your 3D now!

[Soy]

To be honest I was running 4 3Ds kitted w/ modules, any hud bugs, crashes, deaths, boom next mech... at one point all 4 were 'in match' and that is when I took a quick shower ^_-

ps - I went to sleep and was hoping you'd stay playing for the last 3 hours oblivious to my exit, someone needed to push you to the limit

Edited by Soy, 29 April 2013 - 11:51 AM.

[Ozric]

Soy, on 29 April 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

To be honest I was running 4 3Ds kitted w/ modules, any hud bugs, crashes, deaths, boom next mech... at one point all 4 were 'in match' and that is when I took a quick shower ^_-

ps - I went to sleep and was hoping you'd stay playing for the last 3 hours oblivious to my exit, someone needed to push you to the limit

I'm only liking your post because in my head I'm playing Vice City right now.

[kilgor]

Scoring the top in 2 cateories did seem kind of fishy, but I got to see how their CTF-3D was played. On River City Nights, the Cataphract was out there in the midst of the fighting and did top damage and I was fighting in my Atlas D-DC. Later, I dropped into Alpine Peaks on my CPLT-C1 and there was the good ol CTF-3D already there waiting. So, to see if they played intelligently, I would draw people from the other team out and the 3D blasted them and when they started focusing too much on them, I would go to work. But, since I primarily chain fire and have a diverse weapons loadout, I ended with a score in the 300s while the 3D did over 700.

As for trying to reduce your ELO, that is quite dumb, because you end up with bad players on both sides so most of your matches go like crap. I guess my ELO tends to suck because I don't boat and I tend to end up alone because I'm not going to follow everyone if what they're doing isn't tactically sound.

[White Bear 84]

Purplefluffybunny, on 29 April 2013 - 06:25 AM, said:

I think there is another important question that needs to be asked about this tournament. Having just watched Koreanease's video on aiming, I notedx all those mechs he has, all those lovely paint jobs and his MC balance. It begs the question, how many of those players finishing in the top ten are players that play for free and have not used MC in anyway what so ever?

I think t his is a very important question as it is really the first data set where this issue can be more properly addressed.

What does the tournament have to do with MC and or paintjobs? And what issue is there?

Think you find ALL players play for FREE..

[Artgathan]

1300 damage in a Jenner? Impressive.

At 30 damage an alpha, that would take roughly 43 alphas to do. That's some solid marksmanship. Firing alone, that's 3 minutes of sheer weapons fire. Adding in cooling time, that's 9 minutes of engagement time. Assuming that a pilot has only 90% accuracy, 10 minutes is needed to put out those numbers. 80% and a pilot needs 11 minutes. That's a long time to be fighting on Caustic, where heat efficiency is reduced.

[Shazarad]

I don't care for Koranese or his tactics. I would respect what skill he has, if he hadn't made excuses every time he died. Or disconnecting almost immediately after saying said excuses.

I have utterly destroyed his little 3D poptart numerous times in my Wang and I spit on his mech when I do so.

I don't believe someone of his sportsmanship should be winning all these top places as often as he does. A good light pilot with good sportsmanship would be Wispsy. That's a guy I'd play a game against any day.

[Koreanese]

well thanks i remember you killing me. that was nice. people kill me all the time. but i do grats you for killing a trip ppc 3D from face close brawl.

[Lord Psycho]

if your firend are in the same match as you but on the other side..they can just sit there and take the damage or play really badly for you to win.....


better yet you could just snipe your friends to death if you know how they play..I got a cool 500+ in a hunchbakc today and it was a 4P

Edited by Lord Psycho, 29 April 2013 - 06:42 PM.

[Soy]

Shazarad, on 29 April 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

I don't care for Koranese or his tactics. I would respect what skill he has, if he hadn't made excuses every time he died. Or disconnecting almost immediately after saying said excuses.

I have utterly destroyed his little 3D poptart numerous times in my Wang and I spit on his mech when I do so.

I don't believe someone of his sportsmanship should be winning all these top places as often as he does. A good light pilot with good sportsmanship would be Wispsy. That's a guy I'd play a game against any day.

Here's a guy metaphorically spitting on another person's video game avatar over the internet, discussing the merits of sportsmanship.

Funny you mention Wispy - who is a legit player, a gentleman, and a scholar - since you could also say something similar about him, how he starts off every round with "your lives / i claim them" which in a way sounds like he wants to enslave everyone he encounters in game.

In other words, shut the **** up. I haven't run into one guy who was out of line during this tournament yet. If you aren't D/Cing and moving into another mech you're basically increasing the time sink and/or lowering your grind efficiency.

[Shazarad]

Soy, on 29 April 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

Here's a guy metaphorically spitting on another person's video game avatar over the internet, discussing the merits of sportsmanship.

Funny you mention Wispy - who is a legit player, a gentleman, and a scholar - since you could also say something similar about him, how he starts off every round with "your lives / i claim them" which in a way sounds like he wants to enslave everyone he encounters in game.

In other words, shut the **** up. I haven't run into one guy who was out of line during this tournament yet. If you aren't D/Cing and moving into another mech you're basically increasing the time sink and/or lowering your grind efficiency.

Haha, you haven't talked with Wispsy at length then have you?

[Yokaiko]

Shazarad, on 29 April 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

Haha, you haven't talked with Wispsy at length then have you?

I giggled at the gentlemen and a scholar.

[Captain Ahab]

Hey Koreanese, can you let one of us mere mortals win the medium bracket just one day out of this week? I played for nearly 8 hours today and I'm giving up after crawling to a distant 2nd place.

[Koreanese]

sorry, im giving up heavies for a while and going for mediums.i want to show people i can play the game without poptarting. im winning the medium with 4P

[Tangelis]

How do you score so high? No risk no reward attitude you absolutely need to play very aggressive and when you do this one of two things happens. You get 700++ damage and a few kills. Every now and then especially if you can drop more than 500 times you will get that game with lots of kills/assists and over 1000 damage, and you will win and survive as well netting you the most points. Those games don't happen often, but when they do..... Sadly when playing aggressive to score high anyone usually ends up taking a dirt nap early and got nowhere fast. Top 5 games is a good system simply because it allows anybody to have a chance but it does still cater to those who can devote hours and hours to it. IMO if PGI really wants to award player skill vs luck...make the top 5 consecutive games. I bet those scoreboards would be very different.