100+ Ton Super-Assault Mech?
#61
Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:06 PM
looking at the weapons not that great however outgunned by alot of top assaults at 100tons needs 3 people and the leg arrangement looks really slow
#62
Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:07 PM
MagnusEffect, on 05 June 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:
I know about that aspect of it, but those are specific "events". My problem is the whole Jihad itself. It's like the Wobbies suddenly learned how to engage cheatmode and built an army out of thin air large enough to take on everyone at once. YES, I KNOW all about the justifications they used in the books to explain how they built these armies and I DON'T CARE.
To put it simply, the whole Jihad arc stinks of a rushed job that was done simply to help explain away all the plot holes in Dark Age.
They did capture Terra. Terra had MASSIVE mech manufacturing capability. ie. The initiate. They were cranking that cheap effective mech off the lines like mad.
They also splintered ComStar and gained access to all sorts of goodies I'm sure.....and they started nuking people. That evened the playing field.
I have no problem with the WoB and their phantom warship assets which they had been gathering for decades covertly.
Edited by PANZERBUNNY, 05 June 2012 - 07:08 PM.
#63
Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:10 PM
Sporkosophy, on 05 June 2012 - 07:01 PM, said:
J:FR mentions that less than thirty were built, all of which were fielded and destroyed during the fighting on Terra.
MagnusEffect, on 05 June 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:
To put it simply, the whole Jihad arc stinks of a rushed job that was done simply to help explain away all the plot holes in Dark Age.
Less than 54 Divisions is not an army large enough to take on everyone at once, and is actually pathetic compared to what the Word of Blake could have fielded. Have you also noticed the implication that they, you know, lost?
I really don't care if people want to dislike the Jihad storyline, but some of the complaints I hear about it are quite silly...
Edited by Arctic Fox, 05 June 2012 - 07:11 PM.
#64
Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:12 PM
Arctic Fox, on 05 June 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:
I really don't care if people want to dislike the Jihad storyline, but some of the complaints I hear about it are quite silly...
Yea, the hate gets old after awhile; plus we all know they're really the RoTS/still around in hyperspace/etc.
#66
Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:17 PM
Zyzyx66, on 05 June 2012 - 06:44 PM, said:
These are assumedly 12-metre (that's a three-storey building) high weapons platforms right? So comparing a kitted out 'mech with, say, an Abrams Main Battle Tank, shouldn't they weigh CONSIDERABLY more? An Abrams MBT weighs around 65-70 tons, and falls far short of a 'mech in size.
Are they constructed out of super-lightweight material, or is it just an abstraction that I shouldn't read so much into?
Don't think too deep into it, battletech were never really hardcore sci fi since it has to work for a game first and foremost.
As a result, it's measurement units and concept are not going to hold up to scrutiny by anyone remotely versed with the basic physics involved. (the whole concept of large bipedal warmachines never made sense if you start applying basic military and physics)
But that's fine because the lore's relevance with real material is secondary to it's primary function as a background for the game, so as long as we think in terms of the lore's setting and as long as it's consistent within that setting, we can let it by.
#67
Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:19 PM
screw ball, on 05 June 2012 - 07:06 PM, said:
looking at the weapons not that great however outgunned by alot of top assaults at 100tons needs 3 people and the leg arrangement looks really slow
It is slow actually. Painfully slow I might add. According to sarna the max speed is around 28 km/h and on top of that it really doesn't pack much in the way of weapons, at least nowhere near enough to make up for all its drawbacks
#69
Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:19 PM
PANZERBUNNY, on 05 June 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:
They did capture Terra. Terra had MASSIVE mech manufacturing capability. ie. The initiate. They were cranking that cheap effective mech off the lines like mad.
They also splintered ComStar and gained access to all sorts of goodies I'm sure.....and they started nuking people. That evened the playing field.
I have no problem with the WoB and their phantom warship assets which they had been gathering for decades covertly.
I swear to god, panzer, I've seen you on the forums here before and I think you are a troll.
I already said it; I KNOW ALL OF THIS. I read it all. The circumstances as to why Terra fell were stupid and contrived. It never should have fallen in the first place. Then... after it fell, everyone was like "oh noes, the crazies control the cradle of humanity and all its resources... well lets NOT do anything about that. No... lets wait around for awhile so they have time to reinforce their position and utilize said resources".
Yeah... like i said, the whole story arc was ******* retarded and (EDIT: in regards to the Jihad, specifically) manufactured to legitimize Dark Age.
But I waste my time here. There is no unringing that bell with some of you people.
*putting headphones on*
Edited by MagnusEffect, 05 June 2012 - 07:54 PM.
#71
Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:28 PM
MagnusEffect, on 05 June 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:
I swear to god, panzer, I've seen you on the forums here before and I think you are a troll.
Yeah.. like i said. I KNOW ALL OF THIS. I read it all. The circumstances as to why Terra fell were stupid and contrived. It never should have fallen in the first place. Then... after it fell, everyone was like "oh noes, the crazies control the cradle of humanity and all its resources... well lets NOT do anything about that. No... lets wait around for awhile so they have time to reinforce their position and utilize said resources". Yeah... like i said, the whole story arc was ******* retarded and manufactured specifically to legitimize Dark Age.
That's some pretty impressive time travel on WizKids' part considering that the Word of Blake's capture of Terra was written about in 1996...
#72
Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:31 PM
#75
Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:35 PM
Skadi, on 05 June 2012 - 07:31 PM, said:
You are indeed wrong.
The Timber Wolf weights a mere 75 tons.
The Mad Cat Mk. II is 90, so you're getting a little closer there.
#78
Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:44 PM
Nikguy, on 05 June 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:
Innersphere Yes, Clans.... NOTHING before August and then only hints and rumors from the periphery Check the TRO 3039 (IS) and the TRO 3050 (the Clans)
Cheers
#79
Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:45 PM
Arctic Fox, on 05 June 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:
That's some pretty impressive time travel on WizKids' part considering that the Word of Blake's capture of Terra was written about in 1996...
Okay.. I thought I was done here, but I admit.. you make a good point there. I realize that the fall of Terra wasn't really written with the Jihad as it turned out in mind. The part where I referred to Dark Age was more directed at the jihad in general. That said, the circumstances behind Terra's fall were still very weak sauce.
Edited by MagnusEffect, 05 June 2012 - 07:47 PM.
#80
Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:46 PM
NO mech over a 100 tons please, that was a click abomination the col mech.
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