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[paladin yst]

Very confusing when they word the rewards table in a way that ppl thought top 5/20 gets rewards, as u can see theres many players turning up now confused, who thought they win something like me. Ill never joing such foolish tournament ever again if i know theres only 1 winner

[Lucky 7]

KKillian, on 04 May 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

ALL of the guys up there are pretty awesome, is why I would love to see a elimination bracket, People wanna see some real cutthroat gameplay? Pit these guys up against each other exclusivly.

I'm quite sure I know a certain Agro from DHB who would like that :-).

paladin yst, on 04 May 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

Very confusing when they word the rewards table in a way that ppl thought top 5/20 gets rewards, as u can see theres many players turning up now confused, who thought they win something like me. Ill never joing such foolish tournament ever again if i know theres only 1 winner

I thought there is only one winner. I joined anyway.. just to prove myself that I can be in the top 10 mediums.
Fun fact.. I ended up 7th. .

[ArmageddonKnight]

If 'honor' on the battlefield is so important to u then why do continue to use this borked hardpoint system that allows hotboats and fast/light mechs with large weapons outside of their varients physicalcapability, and even poparts with high alpha's, all of which slaughter the average 'normal' or 'balanced' loadouts in the majority of situations where the 'counter tactics' are not possible ?

Shooting som1 in the back ..honorable ?
Ganging up on 1 .. honorable ?
Shooting at som1 whilst not allowing 1 to shoot back ..honorable ?


Think u need to rephrase your OP Becouse 'honor' is not present in this style of gameplay/battle.

nit picking aside, it will be good once offical closed and or moderated tournaments are in place. Atleast ur tryng to keep things fair, which in this style of tournement is next to impossible. .but still, GJ non the less.

[KKillian]

Roadbeer, on 04 May 2013 - 07:36 AM, said:

The part I found amusing, and the part that many people seem to have missed was this...



Which is to say, whether you think the people on the top cheated or not, that the data shows if if they were cheating, it wasn't in their top 10 matches. Meaning, even if they spent the whole week organizing syncs, it was when they weren't synced that they played better, proving the old saying, "Cheating isn't worth it".

Amen x1000

[Ozric]

Roadbeer, on 04 May 2013 - 07:36 AM, said:

The part I found amusing, and the part that many people seem to have missed was this...



Which is to say, whether you think the people on the top cheated or not, that the data shows if if they were cheating, it wasn't in their top 10 matches. Meaning, even if they spent the whole week organizing syncs, it was when they weren't synced that they played better, proving the old saying, "Cheating isn't worth it".

I didn't read it that way at all. I read it as 'we can't prove sync drops (and then in the next paragraph), but we can prove spontaneous collusion,' or to put it another way, 'if your going to game the rules to win, were going to game the rules right back to stop you getting away with it.'

Periphery justice perhaps, but it's still a BETA tournament, and it's important to set a good precedent before the real leaderboards go up. I'm glad they are doing something about it anyway. And I love the concept of spontaneous collusion, genius.

[KKillian]

Lucky 7, on 04 May 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

I'm quite sure I know a certain Agro from DHB who would like that :-).

I thought there is only one winner. I joined anyway.. just to prove myself that I can be in the top 10 mediums.
Fun fact.. I ended up 7th. .

Yea their reward system is garbage, respect is great and all but any other type of competition usually the 2nd and 3rd also get minor prizes aside from the fact this is a MASSIVE tournament and could totally see top20 of each getting at least cbills or a cheesy "i was part of soanso tourny" cockpit or banner item. Only guess I have is one of the shotcallers up top had a dad that hammered "SECOND PLACE IS FIRST TO LOSE BOY" into his head at a young age. Up the prizes, Hook up the kids for putting in the time, you guys get amazing numbers to play with from these people because of these things show em a little appreciation for participating.

[Byk]

BananaNutMuffins, on 03 May 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

It was a giant let down when you see top players in your bracket or other brackets drop on your team or even groups of people you know cause they are either focusing you or going to do what they can to steal your kills. It was extremely frustrating having a certain "hobo" come by and steal every kill you worked hard to core out without any contribution other than the killing blow over and over again.

That's hilarious. First of all, the person in question does not steal any kills. Every kill in this game is fair game. Also, by the sheer amount of damage the person you're referring to does, you can instantly throw out the idea that he is just waiting to steal kills from people. There's no way he would have been able to do as well as he did by just waiting to "steal" other people's kills. The way the person you're talking about plays, he deserves every kill he gets. Just because you were shooting at someone, doesn't mean that someone else who was also shooting at that same person doesn't deserve the kill.

[Soy]

Byk, on 04 May 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

That's hilarious. First of all, the person in question does not steal any kills. Every kill in this game is fair game. Also, by the sheer amount of damage the person you're referring to does, you can instantly throw out the idea that he is just waiting to steal kills from people. There's no way he would have been able to do as well as he did by just waiting to "steal" other people's kills. The way the person you're talking about plays, he deserves every kill he gets. Just because you were shooting at someone, doesn't mean that someone else who was also shooting at that same person doesn't deserve the kill.

That's hilarious.

Banana's twice the player the dude you're referring to is. You read? Twice. ******* two times.

Edited by Soy, 04 May 2013 - 09:03 AM.

[Appogee]

+1 respect to PGI for investigating and trying to make the results fair.

[vettie]

paladin yst, on 03 May 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

PLEASE INVESTIGATE the clarity of the tournament rewards next time, wasted my 7 epic days grinding 7 kills 1k dmg fest spent about 20 hrs+ to get rank 17 heavy in realm to realised ONLY 1 hula girl per class, complete idiocy....

I have seen so many post from you complaining about the rewards.

Send an email to support. They will answer you. People on the forums cant help you with 'how' you read the payout system. SUPPORT CAN HELP YOU. Tell them Vettie sent you to them. Tell them they can charge MY ACCOUNT to buy you a damn Hula Girl - what 5$? if that much...Tell them they can PM me to verify.

Also, 7 EPIC days? really? - Do you know the meaning of EPIC?
MOSES parting the waters was EPIC - you playing in a free online tournament is not epic.

Edited by vettie, 04 May 2013 - 09:40 AM.

[Soy]

I never said twice the person, I said twice the player.

[Peter von Danzig]

Lucky 7, on 04 May 2013 - 06:26 AM, said:

And the witch hunt begins.

Btw. If someone disconnects and runs into your group how do you know that he is DC?
Do you not shoot at someone coming at you?

Lucky, I do agree that killing a dced person is legit. I do agree that letting your teammate killing a dced person just to win a tournament is legit too. Letting one person farm dced people by syndropping is not legit. And *this person* did that in an obvious way by shooting the arms, the torsos and the legs just for one reason: Damage. While his team mates are sitting around doing nothing.

I also agree that crying for the ban hammer is sometimes pathetic, but this time. Jesus, let us have some fun and refrain from cheating. This game can be so much more fun if you accept the challange.

Just one word to the cheating person: Guys, you suck big time Even with cheating you didn't make it into the top ten. this is just:

LOL

Edited by Peter von Danzig, 04 May 2013 - 10:03 AM.

[Mason Grimm]

KKillian, on 04 May 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

ALL of the guys up there are pretty awesome, is why I would love to see a elimination bracket, People wanna see some real cutthroat gameplay? Pit these guys up against each other exclusivly.

All comments on cheating aside; I agree.

Watching someone able to grind 20 hours of play and EVENTUALLY get a good score in that 20 hours means nothing to me. No offense to Koreanese or anyone else but in my eyes I'm looking at nothing more than guys who have the time, patience and moderate amount of ability to grind grind grind in the hopes that in any of those 20 hours they get a magic set of circumstances and the moons align properly for them to get a decent match. After all, you get infinite number of chances over the course of the tournament right?

Wanna be the best of the best? Fight 1v1 against the others in your ELO bracket and let us see who the best is. THOSE are the people that should be rewarded for their efforts because THAT is when it really matters. Grindfests simply show who doesn't have a life that weekend and who has the patience (and coffee or Jolt Cola) to stay awake long enough to capture the points.

Sorry, but it is how I see it.

When, or IF, MWO ever supports tournament style play like this THEN you will see who the king of the castle is. (and probably side betting with MC packages or RL money just like Vegas does it LOL)

[Butane9000]

BananaNutMuffins, on 03 May 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

It was a giant let down when you see top players in your bracket or other brackets drop on your team or even groups of people you know cause they are either focusing you or going to do what they can to steal your kills. It was extremely frustrating having a certain "hobo" come by and steal every kill you worked hard to core out without any contribution other than the killing blow over and over again. To be honest this tournament started out being fun but turned into the hardest most frustrating grind Ive ever done. Having people 100% focus you bec they saw your name on the leaderboards or build there mech in a way only to counter you and tell you that in chat was frustrating. The whole farming a dced mech at the end of the game gets you banned thing is stupid that would mean every top player of the tourny would get dropped all of us are happy to get rewarded a win and a free kill from the games mishaps of problems but those games need to be pin pointed bec it couldof still been a bad game regardless of the free kill. I lost count how many times I unintentially dced/crashed during this weeks tourny, it happens, its part of the game. I would rather have a person spend the few seconds to ask to kill the dced mech than to have a mad frenzy trying to get the last touch on it (ive been tked standing by a dced mech just bec of the fight for it). I dont see why that would be a bannable offense. What I can see is if the said dced person wasnt dced but intentially letting the said person farm thats bs and should be a total ban/disqualification. Map cherry picking should also be a bannable offense and if the said person was sync dropping and having friendlys intentionally help them wound a mech and let the tourny player have the kill thats also bs and should get you banned but it would be very hard to prove and would be the samething as KSing which happend non stop everygame.

Banana.... formatting...

[Byk]

Soy, on 04 May 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

I never said twice the person, I said twice the player.

I disagree. Again, the tournament, which has been the fairest scoring-wise so far, proves otherwise. What other way of scoring their skill levels would be suitable other than a 1v1 fight? As far as I know, Hobo won that after Banana shot him with friendly fire for "stealing" a kill

[Soy]

Mason, I would equate that long grind when you're locked in a ladder battle to fishing.

Seriously when you were in the throes of a long dry spell looking for that last 5th round to finish out your day, it was literally like fishing. You've lost focus for the most part, tired, bored out of your mind, possibly hungry and or sobering up at that point.

And then you snag a big bass and everything goes to defcon 5!!

Byk - well that's just like your opinion man

Edited by Soy, 04 May 2013 - 10:15 AM.

[Mason Grimm]

Soy, on 04 May 2013 - 10:13 AM, said:

Mason, I would equate that long grind when you're locked in a ladder battle to fishing.

Seriously when you were in the throes of a long dry spell looking for that last 5th round to finish out your day, it was literally like fishing. You've lost focus for the most part, tired, bored out of your mind, possibly hungry and or sobering up at that point.

And then you snag a big bass and everything goes to defcon 5!!

Byk - well that's just like your opinion man

Okay, but I fail to see the point behind this response other than validate what I just stated...

"You've lost focus for the most part, tired, bored out of your mind, etc. etc. etc."... (meaning you aren't playing at your best) "and then you snag a big bass and everything goes to defcon 5" (meaning you got lucky and all of a sudden you are in a match where you have a decent chance of scoring some points).

Again, this isn't skill this is luck of the draw in a grindfest of 20 hours or more with some of these guys.

AMENDMENT: Allow me to clarify... This isn't to say they aren't skilled players. You DO have to be moderately competent to be able to pull off a good match, no matter how many times you drop but what I am saying is that this isn't a TEST of skill. This is a test of stamina in which the results are based upon luck more than actual skill. This is a marathon. Some miles (matches) are good and some miles (matches) are more slow paced.

Wanna be the best? Fight the best.

Save the fleecing of DC'd mechs and kill stealing for the kiddie table.

Edited by Mason Grimm, 04 May 2013 - 10:28 AM.

[vettie]

Mason Grimm, on 04 May 2013 - 10:22 AM, said:

Okay, but I fail to see the point behind this response other than validate what I just stated...

"You've lost focus for the most part, tired, bored out of your mind, etc. etc. etc."... (meaning you aren't playing at your best) "and then you snag a big bass and everything goes to defcon 5" (meaning you got lucky and all of a sudden you are in a match where you have a decent chance of scoring some points).

Again, this isn't skill this is luck of the draw in a grindfest of 20 hours or more with some of these guys.

AMENDMENT: Allow me to clarify... This isn't to say they aren't skilled players. You DO have to be moderately competent to be able to pull off a good match, no matter how many times you drop but what I am saying is that this isn't a TEST of skill. This is a test of stamina in which the results are based upon luck more than actual skill. This is a marathon. Some miles (matches) are good and some miles (matches) are more slow paced.

Wanna be the best? Fight the best.

Save the fleecing of DC'd mechs and kill stealing for the kiddie table.

Whether you enjoy pro-wrestling entertainment or not (yes we all know it is staged), one of the wrestlers had a saying that is SOOO true

'If you want to BE the MAN, you've got to BEAT the man' - fake or not THAT statement is TRUE.

So put em in a Solaris Round Robin and let em 'beat the man'...w00t!

Edited by vettie, 04 May 2013 - 10:32 AM.

[Soy]

Mason, that's why I told Koreanese his name is incorrect.

It should actually be Kenyanese!

and yes that prvs post was to validate, or i should say merely corroborate... but you do have to stay focused and motivated, which is a challenge in and of itself

Edited by Soy, 04 May 2013 - 10:36 AM.

[Hauser]

Mason Grimm, on 04 May 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

Wanna be the best of the best? Fight 1v1 against the others in your ELO bracket and let us see who the best is. THOSE are the people that should be rewarded for their efforts because THAT is when it really matters.

Being good at single combat is nice but it tests only a limited set of your skills.