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[WolvesX]

It needs a serious buff, PLEASE PGI listen, a serious serious buff please!

In fact, even if it got 50% more armor, without more wight, I think it might me UP...

[FaelanCaimbeul]

Make it exactly like the book and learn to pilot the thing.

/end thread

[FaelanCaimbeul]

Just for sake of argument, the Awesome has 16 tons of armor, more than any other 80 tonner in the 3050 tech readout. By comparison, it's one of the top 5 armored assault mechs in the book, more than the Stalker even. It's also faster. Part of the problem here is not enough heat sinks. Go double sinks and see what happens.

[Gamgee]

Well it's good to hear some of the mech variants are being looked into.

[aniviron]

FaelanCaimbeul, on 04 June 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

Just for sake of argument, the Awesome has 16 tons of armor, more than any other 80 tonner in the 3050 tech readout. By comparison, it's one of the top 5 armored assault mechs in the book, more than the Stalker even. It's also faster. Part of the problem here is not enough heat sinks. Go double sinks and see what happens.

"More armor" means nothing when customizing is so easy. In this game, the stalker weighs more, so every single stalker you fight has more armor. The faster thing is also moot in anything except the 9M for the same reasons.

[AntiCitizenJuan]

Been playing with a STD325, 1 ERPPC, 2 PPC, 3 SSRMs.

Long range direct fire support has been working out pretty well.

Edited by AntiCitizenJuan, 04 June 2013 - 10:13 PM.

[Corvus Antaka]

Im not convinced. could well be a poor tonnage matching issue. mech quirks such as improved heat dissapation could be a viable solution though.

[Vodrin Thales]

FaelanCaimbeul, on 04 June 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

Just for sake of argument, the Awesome has 16 tons of armor, more than any other 80 tonner in the 3050 tech readout. By comparison, it's one of the top 5 armored assault mechs in the book, more than the Stalker even. It's also faster. Part of the problem here is not enough heat sinks. Go double sinks and see what happens.

No its really not. The mech needs a much smaller CT hit box. That is all. Give it a CT similar to the Stalker and it becomes a very powerful mech (probably a bit too powerful).

[Adridos]

FaelanCaimbeul, on 04 June 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

Just for sake of argument, the Awesome has 16 tons of armor, more than any other 80 tonner in the 3050 tech readout. By comparison, it's one of the top 5 armored assault mechs in the book, more than the Stalker even. It's also faster. Part of the problem here is not enough heat sinks. Go double sinks and see what happens.

The problem here is excessive customisation. With it, there's not point to Awesome, really.

[Roughneck45]

Adridos, on 05 June 2013 - 06:44 AM, said:

The problem here is excessive customisation. With it, there's not point to Awesome, really.

Pretty much. Just a smaller gun bag than the Stalker, with worse hitboxes.

Id love for them to shrink it down a little bit so the side torsos are not the same as the ct, making XL engines a more obvious choice for them.

Or, if they do go with special mech perks, make it the PPC king.

[Tombstoner]

WolvesX, on 04 June 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

It needs a serious buff, PLEASE PGI listen, a serious serious buff please!

In fact, even if it got 50% more armor, without more wight, I think it might me UP...

Never gona happen.

The issue is the ability to hit the CT consistently. This is because the game is missing a critical design element called convergence. without some form of player controlled damage distribution the frequency of CT hits is always going to be high. Thus art decisions become part of mech survivability. this game is not designed to handle that level of detail. The game was designed to have a multi dimensional aiming systems. it was removed with nothing put in its place,as it is its just one dimensional mouse over and click.

Fix that and all mech performance is readjusted. the mech is at a permanent disadvantage because max armor is based on TT rules once again. meaning it's always under armored vs. anything heaver. its also out gunned by everything heaver or specialized lighter mechs that carry 2 ac-20's or 6erppc stalkers. your just gona die.

The awesome is best used to flank and hunt smaller targets because it is 80 tones and can hold a 300 ish engine thus it moves like a fast heavy mech or a medium speed medium. about 64 kph. it has more armor then smaller targets and can out gun many of them at long range.

Basically to address your concerns and every other issues about other mechs is the game needs a reboot to account for so many many things... goals right now i expect are to complete beta and release game. fix bugs and optimist code. bring money making to sustainable levels, test server... then and only then can a reboot be atempted.

Its really more of a extra heavy heavy mech.

[AntiCitizenJuan]

aniviron, on 04 June 2013 - 10:10 PM, said:

"More armor" means nothing when customizing is so easy. In this game, the stalker weighs more, so every single stalker you fight has more armor. The faster thing is also moot in anything except the 9M for the same reasons.

Having played a 3F now, I see how they are better in almost every way, save most AWS variants having movable arms, although most dont have weapons on the left one.

Here's my 9M vs my 3F (which isnt even elited : /)

AWESOME AWS-9M 147 83 64 1.30 177 82 2.16 66,039 116,952 13:08:15
STALKER STK-3F 65 44 21 2.10 107 26 4.12 27,535 60,300 06:17:00

The real ********? The Stalker is gonna go 65 after speed tweak. 55 should be the fastest it goes. For real. It's straight cheese.

Edited by AntiCitizenJuan, 05 June 2013 - 09:03 AM.

[JackPoint]

I have to agree, the AWS is inferior in every way shape and form to the Cataphract and that's a bloody heavy chassis. If your new to MWO don't even consider on a drunken night holding a winning lottery ticket, buying an thinking your going to compete in an AWS.

Edited by Jackpoint, 05 June 2013 - 03:48 PM.

[Lightfoot]

In Testing Grounds I have made sort of a detailed mapping of Mech center torso sections and the Awesomes is immense compared to any other mech. The Awesome is also slow and easy to hit and unless you want your back section blown out by the first light or medium mech, you have 70-73 points of armor in the front, like a Cataphract.

The issue is this. On the other Assaults the center torso is limited to the front facing plate, anything angled to the side or off that front facing plane is a side torso. Thus the Atlas Center Torso is about the same size as the Centurion's. but on the Awesome, the center section thrusts forward by almost as much as it's width and the side panels are called center torso sections when they should be side torsos due to deflection.

The result is that in gameplay turning the Awesome does not shrink the Center Torso target area and to cover it you have to turn 115 degrees to your attacker. So that 73 points of armor doesn't count for very much due to the unliklyhood of anyone ever missing the CT section.

Now I think for a while the Awesome had a smaller center torso and somehow, by accident or design, it had it's original Center Torso restored. Just because for a few months, about when the PB came out, the Awesome was much tougher. I use the Awesome alot and something did change recently, whether HSR or hitboxes, I don't know, but obviously the Awesome needs to have it's center torso allocation limited to that front facing plate in the center torso like all the other Mechs like it do.

and..... I was just in a match with a typical result for Awesomes. My Awesome had taken no damage, none. A Highlander comes around the corner, takes two shots (3-4 seconds) my Awesome is destroyed. I was moving laterally at full speed, it made no difference because the Awesome's CT is just too big. It needs to be fixed so it fits MWO's gameplay.

Edited by Lightfoot, 05 June 2013 - 07:49 PM.

[Khell DarkWolf]

Honestly, I really only think more base speed and maybe cooling quirks could go a long way to helping the Awesome.

Bigger engines are nice to add more heat sinks, but that isn't the true solution. :|

For being 80 tons, it goes no faster then the stalker and atlas really before getting into heatsink issues.

[Lightfoot]

Center Torso section is the biggest in MWO and can be hit from the side. The side panels on the CT section count as the CT so turning your mech does not shrink the center torso. On all the other mechs I know of these are side torso elements. And how does the Atlas get a center torso the size of the Centurion's if the Awesome gets one the size of a barn door? Time for the Devs to do an Awesome State Rewind if you ask me.

[oldradagast]

Lightfoot, on 06 June 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

Center Torso section is the biggest in MWO and can be hit from the side. The side panels on the CT section count as the CT so turning your mech does not shrink the center torso. On all the other mechs I know of these are side torso elements. And how does the Atlas get a center torso the size of the Centurion's if the Awesome gets one the size of a barn door? Time for the Devs to do an Awesome State Rewind if you ask me.

Agreed, the hitboxes on the Awesome make no sense... I went up against one today in my Hunchback SP, and the poor "assault" mech was being torn apart... now, I'm not a very good pilot, and I doubt my opponent was either, but there's something wrong when it's that easy to tear an "assault" mech to pieces. I could never do that to a Stalker, Atlas, etc. in a medium.

Please, fix the hitboxes - that can't take that long, really.

[Lightfoot]

Fix the hit boxes. Please.

[Sephlock]

Make the arm hitboxes extend over the side torsos, making the Awesome into a sort of Super Zombie ?

[Lightfoot]

Sephlock, on 07 June 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

Make the arm hitboxes extend over the side torsos, making the Awesome into a sort of Super Zombie ?

I like that idea actually. The Awesome has the big shoulder-guards too. Make the CT and side torso hit boxes smaller and the arm hit boxes bigger by extending over the shoulders.

Also I notice the Awesome is really susceptable to LRM damage to the center torso while other mechs seem to have LRMs bounce off. This is somewhat due to LRM quirks, but also the size of the CT hitbox.