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[Sprouticus]

Lightfoot, on 04 June 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

@Vasces Diablo

Third Person conveys a view advantage. They see over terrian and objects you can't so when you see them they already have their shot lined up on you. In the past it has been exploited to great effect and this is why there is great concern.

PGI has stated that they were experimenting with ways to eliminate the advantage (moving the camera, eliminating the HUD, etc). I am skeptical on whether their solution will actually work, but I am wit holding judgement until the 3rd person goes live.

Edited by Sprouticus, 04 June 2013 - 01:56 PM.

[Vasces Diablo]

Lonestar1771, on 04 June 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

Ethics.... NOT working as intended.

So Bryan, what's it like working for a scheming, dishonest, and thieving company like PGIGP?

Did they take money or some other asset from you with the explicit agreement that those funds were only available for there use upon the assured delivery of specific content by a specific date? No?

Just because they have done something you don't like (and they've done plenty I disagree with as well) doesn't mean that any of those labels apply. If you truely want to be taken seriously as a poster and community member, don't be unnecessarily aggressive and misrepresentative.

[Tibs]

really geting drama over a game ,hate to see how you handle real life issues. i say take there time couse for me harder you are on me slower i go, can't. imagine how they handle it

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Pando, on 04 June 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

4, the NGNG podcast said "we have 6 finished unannounced battlemechs" which would mean Victor is #1 and Quickdraw is #2, leaving 4 unannounced battlemechs remaining. For anyone saying "well hero mech or champion mech" that is a variant of a battlemech technically speaking.

CLANS, they are coming. 4 battlemechs unannounced, iconic

It's been stated here and else where before, and for htose who didn't read it here or there, I'll restate it: Clans have already been announced via devs on twitter as going live several months AFTER release. IE 2014, or around the holidays of 2013 at the SOONEST.

[Pando]

Sir Roland MXIII, on 04 June 2013 - 01:57 PM, said:

It's been stated here and else where before, and for htose who didn't read it here or there, I'll restate it: Clans have already been announced via devs on twitter as going live several months AFTER release. IE 2014, or around the holidays of 2013 at the SOONEST.

I'm aware of that, up to 6 months after CW is released. However, I'm correct still by stating there were 6 unannounced battlemechs and 4 of them are still unannounced. There is nothing saying they won't announce clan battlemechs....correct?

So your entire reply was. __________.

[Lonestar1771]

Vasces Diablo, on 04 June 2013 - 01:55 PM, said:

Did they take money or some other asset from you with the explicit agreement that those funds were only available for there use upon the assured delivery of specific content by a specific date? No?

Just because they have done something you don't like (and they've done plenty I disagree with as well) doesn't mean that any of those labels apply. If you truely want to be taken seriously as a poster and community member, don't be unnecessarily aggressive and misrepresentative.

Oh look another internet lawyer!

[Cypher Seven]

Mutaroc, on 04 June 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

Super happy to see that Sarah is going to get her mech.

Going to the bank right now to deposit money in the card and buy it!!!!

feel the same way. all this angst about Orion and 3rd person. geez. cut the company a break, they just did an awesome thing by releasing Sarah's 'Mech!

so they swapped mechs. they now told us when to expect the Orion. no harm no foul. development cycles can change.

bottom line is: you are here because you want to support the game. is a mech swap around really the end of the world? does it really warrant this much angst? oi.

[Tannhauser Gate]

Just to hit this 3rd issue again...

NO to 3^rd

• Community Divider: It will split the community into two opposing lobbies of 3^rd and 1^st person players. This is a serious issue that affects everyone. It *will* divide the community with roughly shooter gamers on one side and lore observers and rpers on the other. Example MW4 community divided over it and *never* resolved. Players had to play in 3^rd or simply deal with others having advantage over them. FFP servers were mocked and were 25% full with the rest of the players in the 3^rd person servers.
  
• Unrealistic Advantage: It is never just so you can see your mech’s paint job, it’s a tactical tool used unrealistically. Once introduced, 3^rd will have such an advantage over 1^st that everyone will have to use 3^rd in order to compete. At that point it’s no longer an option. For most people, will be necessary. “3^rd or you lose”.
  
• MWO will be become a Shooter: MWO already requires a mouse to play well (joysticks are used by only minority of players). Adding 3^rd will push MWO sharply toward shooter.
  
• Ruins Immersion: 3^rd changes the experience of being a pilot in a mech into being a mech avatar while you hover magically behind. You lose sense of size and proportion, sense of speed and control from within your mech. Players will be a just be a key board, a mouse, with a mech avatar.

If you must add 3^rd, so you can take pics and see your mech in action, remove the ability to fire weapons, disable all hud and vision enhancements, stop the camera from looking over things, and make it so you have keep pressing the key rather than toggle on or off. I can understand people wanting to see their mechs but 3^rd *will* drastically change the game and the community if it offers any tactical advantage at all. Plain and simple.

Edited by LakeDaemon, 04 June 2013 - 02:06 PM.

[Legion]

Quickdraw is one of the worst mechs ever .....

[Vasces Diablo]

Lonestar1771, on 04 June 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

Oh look another internet lawyer!

Nope, just a guy with an MBA who took his required classes in business law and contract law.

But no, not an actual lawyer.

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Pando, on 04 June 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

I'm aware of that, up to 6 months after CW is released. However, I'm correct still by stating there were 6 unannounced battlemechs and 4 of them are still unannounced. There is nothing saying they won't announce clan battlemechs....correct?

So your entire reply was. __________.

Fair enough, my apologies for assuming.

[Waking One]

Biggest harm to the game is the stupidity of this community.

[Pando]

Sir Roland MXIII, on 04 June 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Fair enough, my apologies for assuming.

Np, I assume too. We helped other people be hopeful though

[Asaru]

Bryan Ekman, on 04 June 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

Orion was bumped by one cycle (3-4 months). It will be the next Heavy.

I had been eagerly awaiting the coming of the Orion this month. Have to say I'm not to thrilled to see that the Orion a 75 ton battlemech was just bumped in favor of the Quickdraw a 60 ton mech. The Quickdraw is OK but not a fair replacement for the Orion. Guess I'll be waiting to buy the Victor next month. Unless that is getting bumped too?

[Elric von Rabenfels]

Bryan Ekman, on 04 June 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

Orion was bumped by one cycle (3-4 months). It will be the next Heavy.

Well **** you.

I just bought 12.000 bloody MC (Legendary Founder + about 200 € worth of MC spent so far, adding to that) to be prepared to buy all them Orions if my C-Bills aren't enough, just before I read the news.

I was looking forward to this mech ever since it was announced.
And now you just take it away. Without a warning. Without an announcement. Without any communication at all.

That's beyond daft.

**** you, seriously.
I'm stopping to play AND buying any MC until the Orion is released right now.
Enjoy your 4 months of regular income you just lost. And I don't give a rats arse about if I'm just "one" customer.

Heh. And I've always been the one that kept defending the game and just enjoying it.
Not anymore. I'll be back when the Orion arrives.

Daft ****ers.

Edited by Elric von Rabenfels, 04 June 2013 - 02:11 PM.

[ssm]

Asaru, on 04 June 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

I had been eagerly awaiting the coming of the Orion this month. Have to say I'm not to thrilled to see that the Orion a 75 ton battlemech was just bumped in favor of the Quickdraw a 60 ton mech. The Quickdraw is OK but not a fair replacement for the Orion. Guess I'll be waiting to buy the Victor next month. Unless that is getting bumped too?

I actually wouldn't mind if Victor got bumped. I like it, I'd still get 2-3 when they get into the game, but I'd also like to see Banshee, Cyclops or Zeus.

Also, I'm looking forward to both Orion and Quickdraw, so the bump didn't affect me at all.

[Draco Harkins]

Skadi, on 04 June 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

This 100X over, not only were we looking forward to the orion, you decide to announce one of the WORSTE mechs in battletech history in its place. a lot of people are theroughly pissed atm...

"The Quickdraw was originally built in 2779[2][3] as a competitor to the Rifleman BattleMech. In this respect, the model was unsuccessful. However, because of its excellent mobility, with a ground speed of 86.4 km/h and its jumping distance of one hundred and fifty meters, as well as its mostly short range weapons assortment, the Quickdraw is a powerful close combat 'Mech. It has one major flaw though: its light armor protection. With armor on par with most mid-grade medium 'Mechs, the Quickdraw is barely capable of standing up to heavier 'Mechs.[3] " -Sarna

Yall tell me how that's going to play out in todays meta, that mech is going to get ground to a pulp.

What the PGI defense force doesnt understand and i'm wondering myself is how the hell will they get 3 variants at this timeline? Still the PGI defense force will flock and say something on the ways of "they can invent variants!!!" yes they can but the question remains, why the hell this one? Why not a Black Knight? a Guilhotine or a Flashman? All of these have more then three variants with a diverse loadout. I'm glad we have a new mech but the choice of this mech in particular is odd.

My main gripe is the way the information was released, no oficial "the Orion wil be delayed because of..." which most of us would be sad but would understand after all the hype PGI made with it and the demand for it increased, but instead we have a "ohh look here is a new mech this month, we'll show him later on when we have the disposition and pearhaps if you children behave will share the info on hardpoints and variants just because"... Which then results in the following:

Sir Roland MXIII, on 04 June 2013 - 11:17 AM, said:

Went to buy the 30 USD pack of MC to get a Rifleman Firebrand...

Looked at the Quickdraw bait and switch for the Orion...

Looked at the card number entered for MC...

Looked at Quickdraw, 5 ton lighter version of Catapult that we need like holes in our heads...

Looked at transaction for variation on mech I've wanted for this game since I started...

...and then canceled transaction.

Thought you should see how shenanigans like this can and do cost you money: no matter how badly I want that RFL, I'm not going to support developers so intent on shoooting themselves in the foot with both barrels every chance they get. FEEDBACK! Have fun with that...

EDIT I should also note that means I won't be playing MW:O much, if at all for a month or two. Am I ragequitting, no - it's beta, I'll be waiting for PGI to shape this heap into something worth releasing, right up until they release it, heap or no. Mainly, I was really looking forward to the Orion but more-so the RFL hero to save up for it and to make builds I could not yet make: but with the proposed releases we're getting there's no point for me to pay cash, play, and then save CBills for crap I don't want. See you folks on Neverwinter and War Thunder, where the devs actually give half a damn and know how to find their keisters without need of two hands and a map.

^This. I myself was going to buy the Firebrand tomorow. As a proud Davion the Jagermech is iconic for us and it looked like PGI was actually in the right path for a change. Then they do a gadjet backpedal the likes i've never seen and give absolutly no explanation why. I'm pretty sure PGI is on a major power trip that they dont even consider the community to be of worth of transparency, for them we are all ten year olds screaming their heads off because his/her highlander JJ's one shot killer has now camera shake (which i loved) and the hackers will be shown more easily, instead of 34 year old military veterans like myself that actually give a damn to some outdated concepts like word of honor.

Food for thought PGI.

Edited by Draco Harkins, 04 June 2013 - 03:06 PM.

[Thunder Lips Express]

Cubivorre, on 04 June 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

Bryan, your teams worst quality - Clear communication. I'm shaking my head for all of the players right now.. We were all expecting the Orion and you let us down again.

how is that a let down? so what you were expecting one mech, your getting another one. live with it

[Menetius]

-Sigh.-

Back to Dark Souls, I suppose.

[Waking One]

Elric von Rabenfels, on 04 June 2013 - 02:08 PM, said:

Well **** you.

I just bought 12.000 bloody MC (Legendary Founder + about 200 € worth of MC spent so far, adding to that) to be prepared to buy all them Orions if my C-Bills aren't enough, just before I read the news.

I was looking forward to this mech ever since it was announced.
And now you just take it away. Without a warning. Without an announcement. Without any communication at all.

That's beyond daft.

**** you, seriously.
I'm stopping to play AND buying any MC until the Orion is released right now.
Enjoy your 4 months of regular income you just lost. And I don't give a rats arse about if I'm just "one" customer.

Heh. And I've always been the one that kept defending the game and just enjoying it.
Not anymore. I'll be back when the Orion arrives.

Daft ****ers.

They never promised you the Orion would be there this month. You assumed it was going to be. Your own fault. Live with it.