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[Phobic Wraith]

James DeGriz, on 04 June 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

The point is, if people genuinely WANT to donate money to charity because of the way that this story moved them, why can't they just do that anyway? Why do the people who for whatever reason don't want to be reminded of this tragedy, or would rather opt out of "actively" (I use the term loosely) supporting it have to be forced into seeing it?

I agree with you here, but I think the point was for PGI to donate the time for a design, code, etc. and that we would have an incentive to purchase said mech. You make a good point, we SHOULD be donating to worthy causes, but not everyone does. This is just a way to get people who otherwise might have less time, interest and attention to donate. It's kinda like a charitable auction, or a bake sale... but with 'mechs.

Personally, right or wrong, I'm of the opinion that cancer research needs all the help it can get, even if it's not from simple heartfelt donations straight to the cause. Even if that means I'm shooting a mech dedicated to a little girl's memory.

[Corvus Antaka]

Yelland, on 05 June 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

you know what... PGI needs to do something different. Instead of looking for ways to cater (give in) to a wide audience, they need to market their strengths better. MWO has strength, advertise what it does best.

I've decided 3rd person is a detractor for me -

I believe play testers will feel it. A 3rd person game plays differently, there is a different tension level and that is just one aspect. 3rd person is a dilution. Part of the reason poptarts are reviled, gameplay is diluted, watered down. Losing tactical and tactile immersion. While I feel spatial restrictions of 1st person helps drive immersion.

I can't wait for someone at PGI to come out and say that if counterstrike had third person they'd garner a much larger audience.

[Hammertrial]

Valdemaar, on 05 June 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

Don't get me wrong, I like it when they hammer out the initial bugs before releasing stuff to the public and prefer it that way, it's just the slipping of dates that I don't like. In the previous month we started to see the signs of 12v12 in the form of seeing all three lances on the score board (it was a result of a bug it was displaying this information if I recall correctly but still.) It's just that old story of new content coming soon and soon turns out to be farther than expected.

Charlie company was intended. Its only used if there are 3 premades on a single team, each gets their own lance.

[tyrone dunkirk]

Shumabot, on 05 June 2013 - 08:55 AM, said:

I suspect that whatever cry engine guy they have working on third person is probably not a highly trained illustrator.

I didn't say they should take Flying Debris' job, I said they should take the art he has done, and post it on the site. Better allocation of resources. And Judas Priest on a pogo-stick, I can't hear anything over how entitled it is in here. So a 'mech ( granted it's Kerensky's 'mech ) is being delayed to release another solid heavy 'mech with plenty of nice builds, and to throw in another actually decent heavy into the mix? I can't even recall seeing a release date for the Orion, and besides, I don't see the point of the griping. I see a lot of talk regarding PGI backing out, or backstabbing 'once again' but I don't q-q-q-quite see the point behind it.

Edited by tyrone dunkirk, 07 June 2013 - 01:32 PM.

[Grimmnyr]

ICEFANG13, on 05 June 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Unless you can fight other players in testing grounds, the 3rd person is coming, deal with it, thread indicates that you won't have to fight against other 3rd person players, it then says that you can fight with only 1st, only 3rd, and then a mix. Therefore, and I mean lies have been said, if what he said is true, then it will be in normal gameplay.

All PGI has to do is make a DEV post, detailing how they are going to implement 3PV and the arguement will be over. If 3PV games are completely separate from first person games, then PGI could satisfy both groups of players, but force us into one or the other and they will lose many players.

[Bad Andy]

want to buy mech bay slots for an orion. do not want to buy for this.

[codynyc]

i found the less i read the forums the happier i am, because what ever pgi promises they do a complete 180 on it....

[repete]

InRev, on 05 June 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

I understand what you are saying. However, this being the case, it's pretty damned hard to become excited for the game if:

A ) one never knows what is coming down the pike
B ) there is no guarantee that what is revealed will actually be coming or in what form

PGI should change all the 'Mechs to ponies. Not least of which because:

* All the bronies would like this
* MPL has a huge following and would increase the player base
* We could say "We told you so" to all those currently saying "Hey. It's their game...They can do with it what you want".

Deathly tired of over-optimism based on subjectivity, i.e. "Hey. I don't mind, so there's no problem" / " Any criticism is negative and I chose to be positive", or over-negativity based on subjectivity, as opposed to those who look at things objectively and don't just dismiss those who critisie as: "You are negative therefore your argument is invalid".

Edited by repete, 05 June 2013 - 05:47 PM.

[Hammertrial]

repete, on 05 June 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

PGI should change all the 'Mechs to ponies. Not least of which because:

* All the bronies would like this
* MPL has a huge following and would increase the player base
* We could say "We told you so" to all those currently saying "Hey. It's their game...They can do with it what you want".

Deathly tired of over-optimism based on subjectivity, i.e. "Hey. I don't mind, so there's no problem" / " Any criticism is negative and I chose to be positive", or over-negativity based on subjectivity, as opposed to those who look at things objectively and don't just dismiss those who critisie as: "You are negative therefore your argument is invalid".

You know, I'll take that apology now.

Aren't you supposed to be proving me wrong about the devs confirming the Orion?

[Hammertrial]

Ed Steele, on 05 June 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

All PGI has to do is make a DEV post, detailing how they are going to implement 3PV and the arguement will be over. If 3PV games are completely separate from first person games, then PGI could satisfy both groups of players, but force us into one or the other and they will lose many players.

You mean like this?

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2103359

[InRev]

repete, on 05 June 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

PGI should change all the 'Mechs to ponies. Not least of which because:

* All the bronies would like this
* MPL has a huge following and would increase the player base
* We could say "We told you so" to all those currently saying "Hey. It's their game...They can do with it what you want".

As long as they don't replace Fluttershy with Applejack 2 weeks before release, I'm down with this!

[repete]

Hammertrial, on 05 June 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

You know, I'll take that apology now.

Aren't you supposed to be proving me wrong about the devs confirming the Orion?

It's coming. It requires effort (Which you are unwilling to expend) and a couple of replies to cross reference. So cool your jets. It will make your apology all the sweeter.

[Ngamok]

repete, on 05 June 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

IF that is the reason, then perhaps. Do you have some information clarifying that to be the reason for pushing it back?

No hence the perfect sense speculation.

[Pobard]

I wont mind the the 3rd person only if:

CW will be 1st person only, prompting the player to accept before attempting to play competitively for resources. 3rd person view should only be seen as acrutch/handicap for new players, once they feel they can play more competitive games they should be comfortable with 1st person by this point.

And they stop using the word simulator. I dont drive my car in 3rd person. Anything claiming to be a simulator shouldnt have 3rd person.

Edited by Pobard, 05 June 2013 - 07:30 PM.

[Grimmnyr]

Hammertrial, on 05 June 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

You mean like this?

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2103359

Don't know how I missed that one, should be stickied real big on the front page. Some disturbing news on that page, seems like 3PV is coming hell or high water. Guess I will wait and see and keep away from the buy MC button until I see how things work out.

[Hammertrial]

Ed Steele, on 05 June 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

Don't know how I missed that one, should be stickied real big on the front page. Some disturbing news on that page, seems like 3PV is coming hell or high water. Guess I will wait and see and keep away from the buy MC button until I see how things work out.

It is sticked in the comstar subforum. It's also old (march).

What exactly is worrysome about it?

EDIT: Oops, not pinned after all, just gets posted in a lot

Edited by Hammertrial, 05 June 2013 - 07:59 PM.

[repete]

Ed Steele, on 05 June 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

...seems like 3PV is coming hell or high water...

That seems to have been the line for some time.

[SICk Nick]

I think 3rd person after you day and are in "Spectate" mode would be a great option.

[LtCasey]

The "Quickdraw" will be a great challenge for the "Dragon". Plenty of different versions to build, even to bring a hero mech. Fills the gap of a "humanoid" heavy mech. Sure, its sad not to have the "Orion" right away, but I´m sure, we will have it pretty soon.

Regarding third person, and to be honest, I dont care about. Might be a good add for spectating view.

[Grimmnyr]

Hammertrial, on 05 June 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

It is sticked in the comstar subforum. It's also old (march).

What exactly is worrysome about it?

EDIT: Oops, not pinned after all, just gets posted in a lot

What is worrisome is the fact that we most likely will be forced to play with this mode. It seems more and more that PGI plugged this game as a true first person Mechwarrior game just to get the older Battletech and Mechwarrior fans (who work and earn money for the most part) to fund a game that they want to market to a different audience. Too bad that their "micro" transactions are not as small as that audience is used to. Don't get me wrong, I love the game in it's current state and I have spent allot of money on it and would like it to do well, but I don't want it to be another generic shooter.

SICk Nick, on 05 June 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

I think 3rd person after you day and are in "Spectate" mode would be a great option.

The problem with this is that you could use third person while spectating to give information to your teammates that they would not otherwise be able to get. You could somewhat mitigate this by disabling chat for dead people, but you could not control VOIP.