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[David Sumner]

Ulvric, on 04 June 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

It isn't the Orion... already over it. People forget that PGI doesn't have to give us any information on any upcoming mechs and nobody is forcing them to spend a penny on this game if they don't want to. I figure if I compare my play time on this to my play time on Diablo3, I've already gotten my money's worth out of this game that I spent on my founder's package. I just want to see this game keep evolving. Every month we get something new even if it isn't what we were originally promised. It isn't like they've cancelled adding that mech in all together. People need to realize that there is a lot of stuff they are trying to deliver in a short amount of time. I mean it isn't like we are buying an expansion pack and waiting another 5 to 6 months for the new level cap instances, let alone raids, to come out such as in LotRO.


Knowing what my heat is usually like if I try to use an energy load out in a
Jaegermech makes me welcome this mech. Should perform very similar to
the CPLT-K2 and current Jaegermechs I think.


More goodies. I still wish the cosmetics were leaps and bounds cheaper.


If part of the proceeds go towards fighting some form of cancer, count me in. If not, the only hope of me buying this will be my love for jenners. A jenner hero mech would make my day.

..... When you spend 250 bucks on a game, you have just paid less than a week of someone's salary. ...

Actually, in my case as a developer, and AFTER the exchange rates conversion to NZD, that's still less than a day.

[MWHawke]

Hammertrial, on 05 June 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

And then you read the next sentence and it all becomes clear. Enlightenment is only 10 words away!



Uh...half the battlemechs announced have come out of order, and theres nothing that says June 18th in that post.

Try again.

You are absolutely correct.. You have just proven that PGI ABSOLUTELY DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW TO COUNT. Jeez.. what were we thinking right? To trust people who cannot count!!!

Hammertrial, on 05 June 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

And then you read the next sentence and it all becomes clear. Enlightenment is only 10 words away!



Uh...half the battlemechs announced have come out of order, and theres nothing that says June 18th in that post.

Try again.

You are absolutely correct.. You have just proven that PGI ABSOLUTELY DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW TO COUNT. Jeez.. what were we thinking right? To trust people who cannot count!!!

[MWHawke]

Noesis, on 05 June 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

I thought the 3rd person usage was initially only intended for use in the testing grounds?

Have I missed an important announcement somewhere?

You missed the part where they said,"We are blatantly going to lie in your face regardless of us saying that this will always be a first-person game"

[Vasces Diablo]

repete, on 05 June 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

Trust me. As someone who works somewhere where many comms go through External Relations/Corporate Comms/Marketing, doing so is no guarantee of better results, and is probably impossible (Or at least inefficient) when you engage with your customer base in this manner (i.e. an open access community forum).

^Cosign.

[Viper69]

ICEFANG13, on 05 June 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Unless you can fight other players in testing grounds, the 3rd person is coming, deal with it, thread indicates that you won't have to fight against other 3rd person players, it then says that you can fight with only 1st, only 3rd, and then a mix. Therefore, and I mean lies have been said, if what he said is true, then it will be in normal gameplay.

The problem comes down to what I posted in the ask the devs 40.

What happens to the community and queues once the community gets fractured into yet another queue subdivision. Right now you are in a separate queue if your grouped 4 or less and solo, and then in a separate queue if you are 8. So now we will have 3 subdivisions of each of those queues now. You have 1&3pv playing together,1pv only, 3pv only of each of those two above. So now you have divided the queue up 6 ways in an already niche game. So fast forward a year to the inevitable conclusion of having to play in 3pv to get a good drop because people will generally migrate to the easier of the 2 views which is 3pv. Its inevitable that 3pv will saturate the game thoroughly and anyone who says I am wrong are you willing to bet one pack of club crackers on it?

[Biggieboy]

I'm predicting it now: Sarah's mech will be the best selling mech ever. And I will buy one myself, definitely. I'll even try to persuade others to buy it

[Hammertrial]

Ed Steele, on 05 June 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

What is worrisome is the fact that we most likely will be forced to play with this mode. It seems more and more that PGI plugged this game as a true first person Mechwarrior game just to get the older Battletech and Mechwarrior fans (who work and earn money for the most part) to fund a game that they want to market to a different audience. Too bad that their "micro" transactions are not as small as that audience is used to. Don't get me wrong, I love the game in it's current state and I have spent allot of money on it and would like it to do well, but I don't want it to be another generic shooter.



The problem with this is that you could use third person while spectating to give information to your teammates that they would not otherwise be able to get. You could somewhat mitigate this by disabling chat for dead people, but you could not control VOIP.

Eh...I think people wanting to play 3rd are the people who PGI are targeting, people who actually want to play a third person game. So this will likely be some of the current player base, and hopefully if their gamble plays off a whole new player base that wants that type of environment.

Look at the rampant hate for 3rd on these boards... Do you honestly think any of these people aren't going to be in the 1st person only queue?

Frankly, ill probably be in the 1st and 3rd cause I just don't give a damn. I just wanna shoot giant robots in my Jenner.

Viper69, on 06 June 2013 - 06:08 AM, said:

The problem comes down to what I posted in the ask the devs 40.

What happens to the community and queues once the community gets fractured into yet another queue subdivision. Right now you are in a separate queue if your grouped 4 or less and solo, and then in a separate queue if you are 8. So now we will have 3 subdivisions of each of those queues now. You have 1&3pv playing together,1pv only, 3pv only of each of those two above. So now you have divided the queue up 6 ways in an already niche game. So fast forward a year to the inevitable conclusion of having to play in 3pv to get a good drop because people will generally migrate to the easier of the 2 views which is 3pv. Its inevitable that 3pv will saturate the game thoroughly and anyone who says I am wrong are you willing to bet one pack of club crackers on it?

Ill take that bet.


Also, still waiting on repete's apology.

[Viper69]

Hammertrial, on 06 June 2013 - 06:45 AM, said:

Eh...I think people wanting to play 3rd are the people who PGI are targeting, people who actually want to play a third person game. So this will likely be some of the current player base, and hopefully if their gamble plays off a whole new player base that wants that type of environment.

Look at the rampant hate for 3rd on these boards... Do you honestly think any of these people aren't going to be in the 1st person only queue?

Frankly, ill probably be in the 1st and 3rd cause I just don't give a damn. I just wanna shoot giant robots in my Jenner.



Ill take that bet.


Also, still waiting on repete's apology.

Oh I agree. I too will probably have to bite the bullet and play in 3PV mode just to stay competitive. That is what I meant by the game being completely saturate with 3PV gameplay. Want me to give you my address for those club crackers now . I dont think 3PV will be a doom of the game it will just be a new phase we all will have to live through.

[Hammertrial]

Viper69, on 06 June 2013 - 06:55 AM, said:

Oh I agree. I too will probably have to bite the bullet and play in 3PV mode just to stay competitive. That is what I meant by the game being completely saturate with 3PV gameplay. Want me to give you my address for those club crackers now . I dont think 3PV will be a doom of the game it will just be a new phase we all will have to live through.

Eh, I still don't think it'll be that bad. I just want more people playing the game. If it takes 3rd to do it so be it. Maybe we can convince them that they should come to the dark side.

Plus, I'd like to actually see how my paint jobs look other than when its completely destroyed from combat >.>

And just send me a PM for the bet, don't do an address until it's time to collect. But don't worry, I'm good for it. Never skipped out on a bet before.

Either way though, I win

Either I'm right, in which I win, or 3rd person is so successful that it brings in a ton of people, in which case I only lose the cost of club crackers to see a huge uptake in players which is only good for the game.

Edited by Hammertrial, 06 June 2013 - 07:27 AM.

[Viper69]

Hammertrial, on 06 June 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

Eh, I still don't think it'll be that bad. I just want more people playing the game. If it takes 3rd to do it so be it. Maybe we can convince them that they should come to the dark side.

Plus, I'd like to actually see how my paint jobs look other than when its completely destroyed from combat >.>

And just send me a PM for the bet, don't do an address until it's time to collect. But don't worry, I'm good for it. Never skipped out on a bet before.

Either way though, I win

Either I'm right, in which I win, or 3rd person is so successful that it brings in a ton of people, in which case I only lose the cost of club crackers to see a huge uptake in players which is only good for the game.

Everything is a win win when involving club crackers am I right? They are great in Chilli as well as a snack . hey im all for getting more players in and if I am wrong hallelujah! Like you said its a win win.

[ChallengerCC]

Please no 3rd person view:
https://www.youtube....aySW4le8#t=114s


When implemented then as an drone that can be launched and you can controle it in a radius, but you cant move or do something with your mech.

Edited by ChallengerCC, 06 June 2013 - 07:54 AM.

[InRev]

The hate over 3PV is the perception that it gives 3PV an edge and makes 1PV players uncompetitive. 1PV players don't want to have to sacrifice their immersion in order to stay competitive against 3PV players. Throw in the competitive nature of Community Warfare and, well, people are worried, and when people are worried they get emotional. That's really what it boils down to.

Yes, this is a game, but it's a game in which people fanatically loyal to an IP have invested time and money under the original assumption that there would be no 3PV. Was it a promise? An assumption? Who knows at this point. I don't even know anymore and ultimately it isn't really relevant. Players feel aggrieved and trust is broken, and that's very hard to shake.

What is relevant, however, is how PGI implements 3PV. If they can do it without making it unequivocally better than 1PV, then this all becomes academic.

[Butane9000]

I found something that finally adequately shows my reaction to this developer update.

[Endarius]

Dyson Ring, on 04 June 2013 - 08:46 AM, said:

What the heck? Isn't it supposed to be the Orion?

I feel like they bait and switched me : / Been waiting for the orion since MW3 and then they ninja in another cruddy oversize medium. Looks like another two months of playing centurions : /

[Jess Hazen]

FupDup, on 04 June 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

August comes before September.

yeah but september 2013 comes before august 2014. do you see what i did there?

Edited by Jess Hazen, 06 June 2013 - 08:28 AM.

[Viper69]

Jess Hazen, on 06 June 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

yeah but september 2013 comes before august 2014. do you see what i did there?

Some people are hoping 3051 comes before 2014.

[Butane9000]

Jess Hazen, on 06 June 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

yeah but september 2013 comes before august 2014. do you see what i did there?

That's a cop out.

[PoLaR]

I'd rather spend cash supporting this game, even If It does not agree with everything I Believe should happen than have no game at all to play.

Everyone Is open to their own opinion though, of course.

[Butane9000]

PoLaR, on 06 June 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

I'd rather spend cash supporting this game, even If It does not agree with everything I Believe should happen than have no game at all to play.

Everyone Is open to their own opinion though, of course.

I agree with this to an extent. I was having the malformed packet crash severely over the weekend and last week. The game became unplayable. I was so excited when they announced the Firebrand and was planning on buying some MC for it. However I didn't want to buy any MC when obviously I couldn't play or use it. However this patch has fixed (for all appearances) the malformed packet crash for me. So I bought some MC and am greatly enjoying my Firebrand.

[Hammertrial]

InRev, on 06 June 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

I like how you missed the part where I cooled down and held a dialog.

But hey, if it doesn't fit your argument, go ahead and ignore it. I guess that's what intelligent people do, eh?

I guess intelligent people also don't hold companies accountable, don't expect proper service and professionalism, don't believe that customers should be informed of what is going on with their product, etc.

You do realize that companies that operate in the real world, not the magical fantasy world of game development, actually have standards to which they adhere, right? And you do realize that customers get pissed off right? I mean, I cannot say whether or not you have any actual customer service experience but let me tell you, PGI has had it damned easy. If they were a retail business, for instance, someone would be getting fired for the way they handle customers. I've seen it done for far, far less.

Dude, comcast and verizon are still in buisness, and you're probably on one of the two right now.

Standards for buisnesses, HA!