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[Jack Spade Ward]

Hello everyone

I started this topic because im one of many that are sick and tired of boating mechs...
But let me be constructive:

I play this game since the early begining, as a founder, i was one of the first to have the privelage to start in early closed beta.
Since the beginning, appeared the first so called overpowered mech, do you all remember? The CAT A1 streakcat. The first boating.

The game evolved, and so did boating. Shotguns CATs (SRMs), the K2 with 2 AC20 or 2 Gauss...
Until last weak, there were the jumpers CTF 3D and HGN 732 with alot of PPCs and a gauss.
Now, the stalkers with 4 and 6 PPCs are back, jumping as become a bit more difficult...

The truth is that, if we want to get by in this game, we will need to have the mechs and the weapons that are indeed overpowered, just boat the mech and voilá, you are an elite pilot and skill wont be needed, just point and shoot, you know that your 6 PPCs will kill almost everyone.

I am angry at this situation.... i have indeed spent enough money to bet on this game, because i thought that this was a MechWarrior game...
In MW, its unthinkable to put 2 gauss in a 65 Tons K2, it would simply not fit! A jagger wit 2 AC20... AC20s were almost exclusevly an assault mech weapon, it was huge!!! Here, you get to see a raven with an AC20!!!! A PPC was a big weapon with an 8 sec reload time, a weapon for long distances!!! You get to see mechs with 6 PPCs??????

When the developers "fix" a weapon, then everyone just do a build with that weapon and boat it up!!

Ok, honestly, to get a good mech in the MW universe, you needed to have a mech with diferent weapons, to short, medium and long range. The weapons wouldn fit in every hardpoint regardless of the mech! You could not fit a PPC in a spider, it simply was to big!
Do ypu remember the Marauder? Since the gauss was massive, it would only fit on top of that mech!

So my plea is... please, fix the game... if you put the hardpoints with size, there will be no more boating, no more massive weapons on every hardpoint, simply make RADARS on, as it used to be in every MW game, and dont make exploits like the PPC is now...

Thank you all

[Sephlock]

I agree with everything except the pooping upon the AC/20 Raven .

[Lightfoot]

Historically the boating that is considered an exploit is Energy weapons. MWO leaves the avenue to boating Energy wide open by having no hard heat cap where the mech explodes if you abuse the auto-shutdown process.

They have said they want overheat to be an issue and so we have DHS 1.4, but DHS 1.4 forces unrealistic overheating so they can't add a hard heat cap also. The fix for boating in MWO is obviously a return to DHS 2.0 and the hard heat cap. Until they do that it's PPCs away so get ready.

Edited by Lightfoot, 07 June 2013 - 07:39 PM.

[StonedVet]

I agree with the OP

[Johnny Reb]

How, when I run 5+laser hardpoint mechs?

[Sephlock]

Johnny Reb, on 07 June 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

How, when I run 5+laser hardpoint mechs?

I guess you could have 2x PPCs and 3x mlas or slas.

[Vactus]

I have nothing good to add, but I will say that being a founder means that you came in a couple months after a lot more of us were already here. A1 wasn't the first boat. I'd say the Hunchie mlas maybe, but that's cause it was huge when I joined the beta a year ago.

Otherwise I have no opinion for or against boating.

[BootHands]

Spadejack, on 07 June 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

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Repeat after me:

"There is nothing wrong with boating.

Just because I do not find a play style interesting does not mean that other people do not find that playstyle interesting.

I will not QQ for PGI to kill build diversity, just because I don't like someone else's build"

People should be forced to recite that ten times before they can even log in to the forums.

Edited by BootHands, 07 June 2013 - 08:42 PM.

[Panzerman03]

I prefer a balanced, varied build like Gauss + 4PPC. Boaters are no-skill suckers.

[LoveLost85]

easy fix for energy boating is heat penalties. 6ppc stalkers alphas and overheats takes internal dmg or loses a weapon or even two. people may then take 6 ppcs but they'll have weapon groups of 1-2 or maybe 3 ppcs. perfectly acceptable in my eyes and on all the BT record sheets ive ever seen. don't punish having many of the same weapon. you have many in case some get blown off, you can still be effective. bottom line is they need stiff overheating penalties. not, -shut down- "oh ill just hit 'o' and do it again" kind of ****

[Sephlock]

I'm going to assume you mean "just hit 'P'", because if you rely on "o" you will find yourself dead in pretty short order most of the time.

[Belorion]

For every point the OP made there is a perfectly good stock mech that counters that point. PPC on a light? The Panther. Dual AC-20s, the Hunchback IIC... swayback for Medium Lasters

[Monaco335]

hmm looking at my mech bay


6 ppc stalker
5 lrm15 stalker
2 gauss ilya
ac20 cat
5 ac2 jager
ac20 jager

I laugh at your post.

[Headshot39]

look what you call boating is a natural response to the original over weaponed with terriable heat efficienes the 3025's for the most part started with...its called pilot overload you are twice as effective a pilot in basis with only 1 or 2 weapon groups to worry about instead of 4 to as many as 6 for some mechs ill quote two of the most famous weapons sets as a example 2 ppc separate arms srm6 4 med lasers 2 MG's- 4 or 5 groups 3 minimium, lg laser 3 med lasers 2mg's lrm 15 = 4 groups standard and suck all heat venting ....along with arena style gameplay instead of a proper IS map and universe to travel about and fight wars in not just gladiator combat..which this MWO seems centered on, you cannot change these facts...so expect that you just need to learn the why of the how this setup is played..mainly last man standing butchery and that is the way things were today :]

Edited by Headshot39, 09 June 2013 - 05:50 AM.

[DarkDevilDancer]

They are going to bring in harsher heat penalties, either over heating causes internal damage to centre torso, or it'll pop heat sinks.

personally i think heat sinks bursting when you go over 100% makes sense from a lore perspective.

[Headshot39]

ammo exp..cracked sinks cockpit coolant leaks almost always fatal...runaway reactor meltdown/explosion I kind of expected this all to be working TBH..heck I don't want just 12 mechs on my side I want a 25k ton combined arms division my own dropsships and jumpships...I played eve for 6 years I want that IS+about 3 times the area in space outside the IS in claimable worlds and resources...id have no problem finding pilots and tankers and asf pilots etc..you have NO idea chuckles.

[KeefCheef]

Headshot39, on 09 June 2013 - 06:11 AM, said:

ammo exp..cracked sinks cockpit coolant leaks almost always fatal...runaway reactor meltdown/explosion I kind of expected this all to be working TBH..heck I don't want just 12 mechs on my side I want a 25k ton combined arms division my own dropsships and jumpships...I played eve for 6 years I want that IS+about 3 times the area in space outside the IS in claimable worlds and resources...id have no problem finding pilots and tankers and asf pilots etc..you have NO idea chuckles.

For better or worse, this game isn't going to have combined arms anytime soon (ever). While it would be cool and truer to the BT universe, it's a nightmare to balance (see: Planetside 2) and you begin to see why no one's eager to develop gigantic bipedal BattleMechs when you can fit near-equivalent firepower on a low-profile tank.

Headshot39, on 09 June 2013 - 05:47 AM, said:

look what you call boating is a natural response to the original over weaponed with terriable heat efficienes the 3025's for the most part started with...its called pilot overload you are twice as effective a pilot in basis with only 1 or 2 weapon groups to worry about instead of 4 to as many as 6 for some mechs ...

Pretty much this. Most people are playing with a standard mouse - it becomes much harder to manage cooldowns and aim effectively when you have 3+ weapon groups spread across different hardpoints on your mech. It's much easier to manage 1 or 2 types of weapons that are effective for different ranges (hence the popularity of PPC/Gauss rifles).

[w0rm]

Panzerman03, on 07 June 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

I prefer a balanced, varied build like Gauss + 4PPC. Boaters are no-skill suckers.

Oh the irony

[Jack Spade Ward]

Monaco335, on 08 June 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

hmm looking at my mech bay


6 ppc stalker
5 lrm15 stalker
2 gauss ilya
ac20 cat
5 ac2 jager
ac20 jager

I laugh at your post.

I have 30 mechs, and not one is a OPbuild like yours... but let me tell you why, im a hardcore player, that played all the MW titles before, so i actually do know what im talking about. Your builds are like the builds that every noob plays, simply because they dont need any skill to get kills.
All in all, boating is simply a forced build that you need to have if you want to get your score high.
And its wrong acording to MW universe.
I suggest you play world of tanks or a similar game. So i laugh at your answer

BootHands, on 07 June 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

Repeat after me:

"There is nothing wrong with boating.

Just because I do not find a play style interesting does not mean that other people do not find that playstyle interesting.

I will not QQ for PGI to kill build diversity, just because I don't like someone else's build"

People should be forced to recite that ten times before they can even log in to the forums.

Repeat after me!
Skill is not a build, it comes from experience.

Just because you need noob builds to "have" a playstyle, doesent mean that everyone has too.

Repeat this 10 times a day, play at least 10 matches everyday and youll get there

[BootHands]

Spadejack, on 09 June 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

Repeat after me!
Skill is not a build, it comes from experience.

Just because you need noob builds to "have" a playstyle, doesent mean that everyone has too.

Repeat this 10 times a day, play at least 10 matches everyday and youll get there

I don't play boats (well,I've got a joke flamer boat, but nobody is crying about those. I don't play the QQ inspiring boats anyway). I'm mostly a Spider pilot.

That being said boating absolutely is a play style. Just because you're butt-hurt that you failed to dodge an alpha from a 6-PPC stalker a few times, doesn't mean that it is an OP build, or a "noob" build or something that doesn't require skill. I've killed plenty of PPC stalkers, just by dodging the alpha chewing on them when they're down from the overheat.