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[Deathlike]

ECM is not really a problem, since it's been nerfed to the ground.

If you're an LRM boat, you're supposed to use TAG and you'll never really hit light mechs that carry ECM anyways, so moot point.

So, it can summed up with the following:

WORKING AS INTENDED.

[Rebas Kradd]

General Taskeen, on 09 June 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

The spirit of Battle Tech has been lost I'm afraid.

Judging from this thread, I don't think anyone really cares about some board game from the 1980s. The video game in 2013 is working just fine.

Edited by Rebas Kradd, 09 June 2013 - 12:03 PM.

[General Taskeen]

Deathlike, on 09 June 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:

ECM is not really a problem, since it's been nerfed to the ground.

If you're an LRM boat, you're supposed to use TAG and you'll never really hit light mechs that carry ECM anyways, so moot point.

So, it can summed up with the following:

WORKING AS INTENDED.

Working as intended, meaning none of my record sheet mechs without ECM/BAP/PPC/TAG have useless tonnage on board.

Rebas Kradd, on 09 June 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

Judging from this thread, I don't think anyone really cares about some board game from the 1980s. The video game in 2013 is working just fine.

Ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome?

Edited by General Taskeen, 09 June 2013 - 12:09 PM.

[Deathlike]

General Taskeen, on 09 June 2013 - 12:04 PM, said:

Working as intended, meaning none of my record sheet mechs without ECM/BAP/PPC/TAG have useless tonnage on board.

Well, there's BAP.

I'm very indifferent considering how PGI has dealt with ECM, so these arguments are wasted on the people trying to catch up with the whining that... shouldn't really exist. I would've expected more "BAP shouldn't counter ECM like this" threads... not "ECM is still OP" threads.

[Mycrus]

Doesn't ecm counter bap's long range ability?

[FupDup]

Rebas Kradd, on 09 June 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

The video game in 2013 is working just fine.

[Unbound Inferno]

I agree with the OP.

A Hard-counter for all missiles in general requiring a hard-counter line of TAG, NARC, PPC, BAP is not the way to go.

ECM should only prevent locking onto an indirect target you cannot see, and only increasing the lock time when you have LOS normally. Change that and you can drop the PPC and BAP effects leaving only the TAG and NARC for indirect fire assists leaving it a relatively balanced tool that can still be a problem without screwing over everything.

[CancR]

Your opinion on ECM being fine doesn't make it so.

No rest till ECM is made into it's proper 3 suites.

[Maestro Baits]

[Appogee]

If it's causing you a concern, install BAP...?

I thought the way MWLL implemented active and passive radar was an overall better way to manage information warfare aspects of the game.

But ECM barely troubles me these days. I either install BAP or face the consequences if I occasionally get ambushed by it.

Mind you, the silly overpowered Seismic Sensor module means I never get ambushed now.

Edited by Appogee, 10 June 2013 - 02:13 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

That there is a way to counter ECM in several ways don't make it balanced.
That there are several "theoreticals" to counter HEX PPC Stalkers make them not balanced

In the PAST:
That there are several "theoreticals" to counter SplashCats didn't balance them...they vanished because the SRMs were almost killed
And there are dozen other points that prove that "counter" equipment or MechBuild is not balance.

I'm still not worried about ECM - but that doesn't mean that ECM is fine... its still a no-brainer.

[Ralgas]

bottom line a1 lrm boat without spotters wants to sit behind a hill and spam 1 button? It's about the only circumstance in which your explanation theory works with the current gameplay.

you will get the odd lonewolf on his own with ecm that you can't target, but that's supposed to be a counter to an lrm boat, which is why you need a mixed loadout or close support. other than that get closer to the brawl and weaken em as they fight

[Karl Streiger]

Neverfar, on 10 June 2013 - 02:21 AM, said:

I hope you said poptarting was a no-brainer too, because as it stood before the (well deserved) nerf, the difference between the two was a spacebar and a mouseclick.

Well you are right although i admit that poptarting was much more difficult - in comparison with the PPC Stalker..because you need an additional action (hitting the spacebar)

[VXJaeger]

General Taskeen, on 09 June 2013 - 08:07 AM, said:

Oh, how about those poor Atlas7-RS Stock souls that go up against Atlas7-D-DC's with LRM's? Suddenly, they can't use their LRM's because "working as intended", while they are showered with Atals7-D-DC LRM Locked Rain. The issue is still there, its just heavily covered up. When the stars align without 50+ countermeasures in a match, the "issue" does not simply vanish into thin air.

Again, ECM/BAP/PPC, etc., have nothing to do with actual Information Warfare at this point of their programming.

Cry me a river, look if I care. Not.

[OneEyed Jack]

Holy crap. If you still think ECM is a problem with how weakened it is in the current format, then this is not the game for you.

[Voidcrafter]

General Taskeen, on 09 June 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

This is what ECM is and every subsequent half-*** balancing act is:

Spoiler

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Here's a:

The spirit of Battle Tech has been lost I'm afraid. Nothing can stop PGI now.

Ahahahahah that was... just... ahaha
But yea...
It's kinda actually sad

I couldn't care less about the ECM, but then again I dislike weapons that require lock.
I prefer counting on my skill(get that - counting on my skill ) rather than the point-and-click-adventures.

On the other hand - if a single DDC is not paired with another DDC or/and Raven 3L/DDC Cicada, I don't think it's a sort of an issue a good teamwork/TAG couldn't resolve.
4 DDCs/3Ls in a team...?
Well... I think the ECM would be the least of your problems when that happens
With the variety of the assault mechs that's currently out there if they(PGI) finally do something about the 4+xASSAULT matches that would be just great and there would be that much of ECM probably.
Cause, you know, when there's a match with 5/6/7 Assaults, 3/4 of them in which are D-DCs, the last thing I think about is the ECM, even though there is plenty of it out there.

If I have to be honest - I find it a bit weird that someone has started that kind of topic, while we're still in the PPCpocalise

[Livewyr]

ECM was never *actually* weakened, don't fall into that trap.

It's still the best 1.5 ton/2crits ever spent in this game. (The criteria bars seismic, as seismic is a module and doesn't go in the same place)

ECM isn't "weakened," it just merely has a tax on making it less painful.

It's still sensor stealth mode...

[Sephlock]

Never.

[PyckenZot]

As I read this post, people still have issues with ECM still having any sort of function in this game. ie. Providing cover when there is no TAG, PPC or BAP around,...

ECM is just fine as it is atm.

ps: I'm not using ECM often, but any light I drive has BAP now :-)

[SpiralRazor]

Tam Wolfcry, on 09 June 2013 - 06:39 AM, said:

It is still the most OP gear in the game. Any piece of wargear that completely nullifies an entire line of weapons, is broken. If you at least added ECM to your matching logic, then maybe it wouldn't be so bad. But you don't. And all too often I see matches of no ECM vs multiple ECM. This is working as intended?

I still have not activated my premium time. I will not activate it until you fix ECMs. It is the most asinine item that you have added to this game and you have done nothing to address the game balance for it.

Here is a really easy solution. Make it work against everyone. It becomes a blackout bubble. So if you are inside of it, you don't see out. If you are outside of it, you don't see in. That means mechs covered by ECM can't target anything, but also can't be targeted. Also, no mechs appear on the mini-map if you are within ECM bubble just like you don't see mechs in an ECM bubble. The blackout works both ways.

Simple clean solution that is fair and and makes ECMs situational. Works great for mechs that have direct fire weapons. Gives even more incentive for LRM boats to carry tag. It eliminates the streak ecm boats. It requires forethought to use instead of the absolute no brainer that you have created now.

Its more balanced now then it ever has been...Most of my mechs come with BAP now, just to aid my team if not myself.