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[Dasein]

I still see my ppc shots goes straight through targets without any damage =( Especially lights.

[HeavyRain]

I used to have this problem only when using PPC, now I am trying to hit people in a 4 x AC5 cataphract and i have to unload 7-8 alphas on them before i can destroy a side torso or an arm. I "know" I am hitting them because I see the shots land where they are supposed to, but no damage gets registered on the paper doll. My ping is around 180ms on average. It gets ridiculous when I shoot a powered down Cicada with 4 AC5 in the back 5 times and he lives to run away.

[Sudden Reversal]

Fix this problem ASAP!

Players are deliberately exploiting in lights now that they know they have lag shield re-engaged.

Seriously folks, one step forwards two steps back here each patch.

[White Bear 84]

I used to be a mechwarrior like you, then i nearly took an Arrow IV to the knee.. ..luckily for me hit detection was off, but unfortunately i clipped on a rock and blew up.

Edited by White Bear 84, 23 June 2013 - 06:03 PM.

[Villz]

would love an indepth response from PGI on this topic

[FREDtheDEAD]

BananaNutMuffins, on 23 June 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

Im having the exact opposite problem while playing a Light the HSR is helping high ping players hit shots on me while I watch them miss and hit behind me but I take full damage and have no sound effects or animations of them hitting me. I would rather go up against a low ping player than a high ping player because of HSR its literraly allowing high ping snipers to miss and still hit me.

That would be typical of how HSR works. The high ping attacker visually registers a hit on their client PC, but by the time the victim's PC sees the shot, due to network lag, it looks like a miss.

With multiple clients all over the world, you have multiple viewpoints of the state of the game separated by upwards of half a second. There is no amount of clever programming that can fix that.

There really is no 'true time' so there will always be instances when hits look like misses to different people - HSR favours the attacker's view of the world: when the client firing sees their shot hitting, the victim gets hit, even if the victim's mech has turned or moved behind cover in the delay between the attacker seeing a hit and the victim seeing the attacker fire. Or HSR should work like.

It's effectively client side hit detection but the server does it to prevent cheating.

I'm not saying what you're experiencing isn't a bug, but it could just be HSR working as intended.

Edit: the lack of sound and shake feedback when being hit from what looks like a miss is a bug. I get it all the time.

Edited by Xajorkith, 24 June 2013 - 12:02 AM.

[sikakraa]

I've seen both problems:
- hits are sometimes not registering. Especially when mechs are really close to each other.
- I've also taken hits that seem to come late without any damage indications (no effect except mech suddently takes damage. With a faster mech this occurs more often).

The latter problem might suggest that the mech positions in client- and server -side are not properly in sync at all times. Often the damage comes 1.5-3 seconds too late. I'm having a roughly 100-150 ping, which is high, but suggests that packet loss is not the case, because the the damage comes so late.

[Primetimex]

This game is TOTALLY BROKE period and it's becoming a joke.

A full six medium laser alpha to the head hitbox of a raven that's already damaged - DOES NOTHING - it took a few more alphas later to bring it down - WHAT A JOKE - that also includes some salvos of SRM4,6s into the Raven.

And yes especially when mechs are right next to each other.

As a result I find that lately with my 300ping I'm getting hammered trying to bring mechs down when due to the broken hit detection it may as well be my shots miss 80% of the time - WHAT A JOKE.

[Fooooo]

It was a lot worse for me again last night.

Had a catapault almost kill me and an atlas after around 2 - 3 mins of both of us smashing the crap out of him.
By the time I finally got a killshot on him, his whole mech was RED with no armor on any section somehow. (no components were destroyed on him either......he never lost his arms.....)

All my shots hit the CT/LT/RT, yet somehow put dmg to his legs constantly, as if I was aiming lower than I really was.


Another match there was a jenner that took multiple alphas and seemed to take no dmg at all.

When I finally legged the little ******* he overheated in a panic, so I closed in and lined up perfect his already no armor RED torso and pumped 3ppcs into it.

No dmg done.

I fire again and shutdown, yet he is still alive....comes out of his shutdown, then kills me from a torso XL kill......


Don't get me wrong, the pilot of this jenner was not a bad pilot, infact was very good, yet he should have been dead there.

That was 60dmg into a shutdown non armored already RED jenner CT.. There was no way I was missing those shots so there must of been a major de-sync or something.


Also to add, I've been noticing a lot of shots hitting me visually yet doing no dmg a ton more frequently lately. I almost never saw this very much until recently. (I know this is to be expected to happen due to lag etc, but it was never happening this much before)

Hopefully its an easy fix, but it got a lot worse after the recent hot-fix imo.

[Major Derps]

@ Karl/any devs reading this: I don't know if this will help, but I have noticed myself taking obvious hits, and not taking damage; and sometimes I will be behind cover, out of the enemies firing line, or not being fired at at all, and start taking damage. I suspect that the ping may spike at key moments, as I have caught my ping sneakily dropping from 350+ back to normal (270 ish) as I quickly check the scoreboard whilst dying (sorry, no video evidence). It is worse on fast moving 'mech's, and close (under 100m) range 'mech's.

[Inkarnus]

well for me it works just fine now with HSR
but it has mostly todo with other factors
namly your OS and Router

[Villz]

if u want to see some hit registration games on 280 ping just check out the few games i uploaded while playing the tournament this weekend just gone for the first 4 hrs

http://www.youtube.com/vill247

There's your HSR


EDIT: notice the search times at ELO lol...

Edited by Villz, 24 June 2013 - 03:37 AM.

[Nebelfeuer]

Felt strage the last days (ping140-180)
Have seen a lot of sure shots miss or being off target while poorly aimed ones registered.
Seen a lot of homing balistics with curved flightpaths.
Increased number of damage out of nowhere.
Sure all of this has happened ocasionally before but not to this degree.
Feels really more like playing a dice game atm. Evading and aiming is more luck then skilbased atm.

[Inkarnus]

@Villz dude you give nothing a dev can work on
haha except showing
off what a fotom welp stuck in ELO Hell u R
give some details like someone with half a brain
like specs os and such

Edited by Inkarnus, 24 June 2013 - 03:45 AM.

[Villz]

Inkarnus, on 24 June 2013 - 03:40 AM, said:

@Villz dude you give nothing a dev can work on
haha except showing
off what a fotom newb u r
give some details like someone with half a brain
like specs os and such

Well noob i'v already made a ticket with them giving full dxdiags omnicron and log files aswell as network info in a support ticket

And seeings as this is a feedback thread not a support forum you should prob just be quiet now thnx.

I like how because i have PPC's and a gauss rifle that makes me a noob.

After all i did get 4th place on the assult leader board this tourney and 4th place on the origional tourney also. (Pre HSR and PPC's)

Thank you for your valuable input though >.>

Edited by Villz, 24 June 2013 - 03:47 AM.

[Villz]

Inkarnus, on 24 June 2013 - 04:03 AM, said:

beein a realist doesnt mean iam a hater
truth need to be told
else its no truth
or in short
keep on dreaming little dreamer
good by

good bye*

[Curccu]

w0rm, on 22 June 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

Well you could see it this way: MWO makes a step towards the tabletop. Everytime you shoot a weapon a D6 is rolled to determine if the damage is registered.

I think it's D4

[FREDtheDEAD]

We really need some videos of shots appearing to hit but not doing damage. There were some in an old "PPGs don't do damage" thread but they were hotly contested (as is everything in these forums).

One Raven which had a habit of stopping took three direct alpha strikes to the rear CT from my 5 LL Stalker and still had armour. It wasn't even moving when I fired.

This is like where the game was eight months ago when there were bad de-sync issues.

Until there's more video evidence, it's all anecdotal. Unless PGI fix it first! *cough*

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

Dual AC/20's into a Centurion at less then 70m from my teammate while I was laying alpha after alpha into his CT and all we got was flashing, no damage. Broken......

[Minoxen]

I'm not sure if this the appropriate post to comment in, but I have had several experiences since the last patch that have proven frustrating. There have been times when a stationary mech within close range <200m has displayed weapon impact on the location that I was aiming for, but no damage was represented on the mech. For example I crept up on a raven and alpha'd its leg twice before he reacted and neither did damage even with his leg now glowing bright yellow after my attacks impacting visually.

Thanks for the continued work PGI, look forward to better and better performance.