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[Skyfaller]

FupDup, on 22 June 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

The gigantic side torsos are a strength because they soak up damage that would normally hit the CT. Additionally, damage dealt to destroyed side torsos only transfers 50% of it to the CT--thus letting the Stalker be an amazingly durable zombie.

Example:

Matching rear armor to 20 in CT and RT/LT the front CT has 88 armor while the RT/LT carry 52 armor.

52 armor vanishes disturbingly fast in the stalker since the side torsos are barn sized from any angle but directly ahead and directly behind.

In the current metagame, the majority of the incoming damage is pinpoint front loaded..aka PPCs and ballistics. Your statement holds true of ANY mech that knows to swing the torso as he's getting hit by lasers...to spread damage around. Vs PPC/Ballistics however, that doesn't do much. The side torso will be blown off in just 3 alphas from any decently kitted heavy or assault mech using ballistics or ppcs.... and they dont really have to aim that much..its THAT big of a target the side torso.

The stalker is an excellent long range assault mech but a poor medium and short range combatant. That is why it excels with LRMs and PPCs and just SUCKS with med lasers and SRM kits.

[Fate 6]

Teir Dasande, on 22 June 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

This thread is NEW and EXCITING.

WE KNOW. WE ALL BLOODY KNOW. mmk? And eff you. I own a stalker 3F. I dont use ppcs and i do alright. Its a ppc problem, not a stalker problem.

The fact that the Stalker has a tiny CT hitbox and is smaller than most of the heavies is definitely not a contributing problem, right?

[OnLashoc]

Fate 6, on 23 June 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

The fact that the Stalker has a tiny CT hitbox and is smaller than most of the heavies is definitely not a contributing problem, right?

I don't think so.

I torso those bad boys easy and guess what? they either die or lose half their fire power, too easy. Learn weak spots, improve your aim, and blow stuff up instead of whine on the forums about unimportant stuffs.

[I3lackI2ogue]

Fate 6, on 23 June 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

The fact that the Stalker has a tiny CT hitbox and is smaller than most of the heavies is definitely not a contributing problem, right?

we have established the stalker suffers from scaling issues, this is something that we need to bring to bring to PGIs attention and hope they fix quickly, but at the speed they are expediting fixes i wouldn't hold my breath for it to be addressed any time soon.

[Valore]

FupDup, on 22 June 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

Actually, the Stalker in general is just too damn good at boating in general (I'm not hating against boating in general, I'm just making a point about the STK specifically). The Stalker has been top tier in every meta there has ever been: the SRM meta, the various Lurmageddons, and now the PPC war.

Its small body, high-mounted weapons, large number of hardpoints, and extremely huge side torso hitboxes all stack artificial advantages in its favor.

People never mention the ridiculously easy to hit side torsos which make it easy to zombie the thing since it can't arm shield, and the fact its got one of the crappiest arcs of fire in any mech currently ingame. And its lousy number of Module slots.

Its still good. But let's not pretend its perfect

[SpiralRazor]

Stat1cVoiD, on 22 June 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

I discussed the current problems of weapon balancing a lot with my corp-mates and in these forums.
I even opened a huge thread adressing those problems and how to fix em:
http://mwomercs.com/...ance-this-game/
(Unfortunatly the mods moved it to "feature suggestions", the forum which nobody cares about)

PPCs are currently by far the BEST weapon in this game and PGI's imbecile Heat-Idea will do nothing to change that.
Until yesterday I didn't own a Stalker myself, because I considered them to be too cheesy.
But I had no idea HOW broken they actually are, until I rage-bought one:



I mastered DRG, QKD, JM6, HGN and AS7. This Stalker has only Basics.
And my next best KD with a sufficient amount of matches is my JM6 with 2.21. (I am slightly better than that, but I dropped a lot due to the malformed packet bug until it was patched)

This game is currently a Joke. Sitting in a STK is like playing an entirely different game. It's like slaughtering puppies.

This is not about bragging. This is about how retardedly one-sided the balancing currently is and how people with "normal" layouts and Mechs are in a huge disadvantage.

And no, I am not bashing Noobs all the time. I am also getting matched against top ELO players who stream and/or won challenges in the past.

I know that 44 matches are not a HUGE amount to draw a profound conclusion, but this is at least showing a trend very clearly.

Nah, im guessing you are playing at a very low elo level......you definitely are NOT getting matched against the top 10%. Kudos for being mediocre!

[TOGSolid]

SpiralRazor, on 24 June 2013 - 09:37 PM, said:

Nah, im guessing you are playing at a very low elo level......you definitely are NOT getting matched against the top 10%. Kudos for being mediocre!

Oh hey, a defense force scrub that doesn't read posts the whole way through. I thought you people were extinct.

[Keifomofutu]

TOGSolid, on 24 June 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

Oh hey, a defense force scrub that doesn't read posts the whole way through. I thought you people were extinct.

On the contrary they'll be the last ones here when the lights eventually go out.

[TOGSolid]

Keifomofutu, on 24 June 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

On the contrary they'll be the last ones here when the lights eventually go out.

I had just figured that even they had gotten jaded finally. Guess I was wrong!

[Alex Warden]

FupDup, on 22 June 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Actually it's both because the Stalker is by far the best platform for mounting PPCs.

and all other energy weapons + a variety of missle weapons the stalker is an absolute great,more or less immobile weapon platform......its a ppc problem... yes,the ppc feels like a hunting rifle currently... i always used it... right now its boring to use it...

Edited by Alex Warden, 24 June 2013 - 10:07 PM.

[Villz]

FupDup, on 22 June 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Actually it's both because the Stalker is by far the best platform for mounting PPCs.

Well going by the assault leader board in the last tourney majority of the top scorers were using a 732 Highlander >.>

[Kmieciu]

Villz, on 24 June 2013 - 10:15 PM, said:

Well going by the assault leader board in the last tourney majority of the top scorers were using a 732 Highlander >.>

I played against Rippthrough (HGN-732 with XL) and AimRobot (4xPPC STD engine). I would say that AimRobot was harder to kill. HGN-732 is more mobile,but easier to disarm/destroy. I use both mechs and HGN feels more suited to pugging, while Stalker works better in 8mans. And I only have basic skills unlocked on my STK-3F.

I bought STK-5M recently, in order to try the 5xLL setup. Long story short, I now grind 4xPPC STK-5M :-)

Edited by Kmieciu, 24 June 2013 - 10:26 PM.

[TOGSolid]

UBCSlayer likewise runs a 4 PPC Stalker and has in every Assault viable tourney as far as I know.

The Stalker is the superior sniper mech since it doesn't have to expose itself nearly as much, however the HGN gets access to the gauss/ppc mix without requiring spending any MC. That lack of real money buy in is why you tend to see HGNs getting used by top players as well. The jump jets are a plus for the HGN, but the profile being kinda **** cancels them out.

[Monky]

Back before PPCs became 'tha thang' I had a 4.0 KDR playing solo pug in my Stalker with 2 large lasers, 4 mediums, and 4 LRM5's (yes, LRM5's).

The stalker works best in reverse. Keep the enemy from surrounding you and keep them in your sights.

[TOGSolid]

Monky, on 24 June 2013 - 10:49 PM, said:

Back before PPCs became 'tha thang' I had a 4.0 KDR playing solo pug in my Stalker with 2 large lasers, 4 mediums, and 4 LRM5's (yes, LRM5's).

The stalker works best in reverse. Keep the enemy from surrounding you and keep them in your sights.

Conversely, my buddy Mvrck ran an SRM6 Stalker back when SRM6s were viable and had a ball brawling in it. It's definitely not an optimal brawling mech, but you still had to be damn careful when one of those SplatStalkers looked at you because you were going to be dead in one or two volleys.

[Villz]

Kmieciu, on 24 June 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

I played against Rippthrough (HGN-732 with XL) and AimRobot (4xPPC STD engine). I would say that AimRobot was harder to kill. HGN-732 is more mobile,but easier to disarm/destroy. I use both mechs and HGN feels more suited to pugging, while Stalker works better in 8mans. And I only have basic skills unlocked on my STK-3F.

I bought STK-5M recently, in order to try the 5xLL setup. Long story short, I now grind 4xPPC STK-5M :-)

No1 kaffeangst played a HGN
No2 i'm not sure as i only played the 1st day so didnt see him (he didnt score till last day really)
No3 was rippthrough another DV8 member who had played both but ended up settling on the HGN
No4 was me and i played exclusivly a HGN-732
No5 was UBC slayer who took 5th from 6th was a last minute huge game with 30mins 2 go
No6 was End Cresendo who played a HGN 732 and HM also another dv8 member

IMO the HGN is a better mech sllightly but requires more finese to play at top teir. Whilst the stalker with the high mounted weapons is alot more forgiving.

In regard to stalkers being harder to kill that is a half truth as the real culprit is the same thing that makes cents amazing. 500% dmg transfer from a destroyed side torso to a CT. So having extremely large side torso and a narrow CT makes them alot tankier than their armour would leave u to believe. Ergo stalkers being harder to kill when you can't perfectly aim CT.

Aso using a 5M stalker to play PPC's or LL's is just silly..... 3F's torso twist is the best of all assaults and makes it easily the 2nd best stalker behind the misery OFC 3PPC + GR = OP

TOGSolid, on 24 June 2013 - 11:19 PM, said:

Conversely, my buddy Mvrck ran an SRM6 Stalker back when SRM6s were viable and had a ball brawling in it. It's definitely not an optimal brawling mech, but you still had to be damn careful when one of those SplatStalkers looked at you because you were going to be dead in one or two volleys.

If by viable u mean doing 10x the dmg they were meant to than sure and yes i remember playing him in the 1st tourney (PRE HSR) which i also did come 4th in with 280ping

Edited by Villz, 24 June 2013 - 11:23 PM.

[TOGSolid]

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If by viable u mean doing 10x the dmg they were meant to than sure and yes i remember playing him in the 1st tourney (PRE HSR) which i also did come 4th in with 280ping

Hey, just saying that was a thing that happened!

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In regard to stalkers being harder to kill that is a half truth as the real culprit is the same thing that makes cents amazing. 500% dmg transfer from a destroyed side torso to a CT. So having extremely large side torso and a narrow CT makes them alot tankier than their armour would leave u to believe. Ergo stalkers being harder to kill when you can't perfectly aim CT.

As a result of this, I've kinda gotten into the habit of just legging the big ********.

Edited by TOGSolid, 24 June 2013 - 11:49 PM.

[Jestun]

FupDup, on 22 June 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Actually it's both because the Stalker is by far the best platform for mounting PPCs.

Perhaps, but my Stalker has 0 PPCs mounted so if it's a Stalker problem then my 0 PPC build would be causing issues (other than complaints from allies and cheers from enemies )

TOGSolid, on 24 June 2013 - 11:48 PM, said:

Hey, just saying that was a thing that happened!


As a result of this, I've kinda gotten into the habit of just legging the big ********.

Don't do that, aim for the crotch.

From what I remember the crotch counts as center torso.

[Syllogy]

ERMAGERD! STALKERS!

I eat them for breakfast with my Blackjack.

[Jam the Bam]

OP You seem to be missing the main point people are making here:

WE KNOW!

Your opinion is not that important that it requires a whole new thread, the same as all the other threads. Plus; YOUR ability to play the stalker over a small number of matches is NOT valid evidence of anything.

Did you really expect everyone to instantly click like and bow down at your feet?