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[wanderer]

chutche2, on 09 June 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

But aren't you worried we're going to violate glorious Liao's space honour?

Nope. As probably the eldest Capellan player here (MPBT: EGA), I can cheerfully say that being in House Liao isn't about the honor. It's about success by every legal (not honorable, LEGAL) method possible. We've got code-bound Warrior Houses and any-way-you-can Death Commandos and darn near everything in between, and it all comes together to form House Liao in whatever game we end up.

You want glorious space honor, the Kuritans are thataway. This here is the "how can we trick, fool, misdirect, and backstab for the win" club with a liberal helping of "kick Davion wannabe white knights in the junk when they're not looking".

[Lipot]

Ok, people. Shooting down other player groups even before a game goes live is just about as childish as any of the stunts I have ever seen Goon do. All of these Liao 'mech warriors that are against Goon from joining them are really hurting their own faction more then FedCom will. It's a game people. In the end, the level of enjoyment you get out of it is up to you. If you can not accept that then don't bother. On a side note, I never thought there would be a day I would be defending Goon/SA. For the most part, I end up pointing my guns at them. And get a laugh or frustrated when either myself or them are down.

[Pleasant Wayne]

So many claims from Goonswarm that anything said against them comes from an "isolated incident." How many isolated incidents have to occur before they connect?

[Serevn]

Lipot, on 09 June 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

Ok, people. Shooting down other player groups even before a game goes live is just about as childish as any of the stunts I have ever seen Goon do. All of these Liao 'mech warriors that are against Goon from joining them are really hurting their own faction more then FedCom will. It's a game people. In the end, the level of enjoyment you get out of it is up to you. If you can not accept that then don't bother. On a side note, I never thought there would be a day I would be defending Goon/SA. For the most part, I end up pointing my guns at them. And get a laugh or frustrated when either myself or them are down.

The only Capellan I've seen try to shoot down Word of Lotax is Adridos and its his job to do that kind of thing, although he's usually on the FedSuns case.

Edited by Serevn, 09 June 2012 - 04:25 PM.

[Cur]

chutche2, on 09 June 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

So how is it that Goons are the best at WoT

*Stumbles over to WoT Site, looks at the world maps, looks at the tournament winners, looks at the general scoreboard*




Best indeed

[Camembert]

Let me tell you a story about PvP and goons. Not about EVE, but a different MMO (don't play it, trust me) that was based around awesome skill-based PvP (the good part) and a ridiculous grind (the hideously bad part, and the reason I quit years ago). It was based around two nations eternally fighting each other, and the goons created a guild as part of one nation. I wasn't a goon at the time; I was on the outside looking in, and didn't even know Something Awful existed back then. Well, guess what? Being on the same team as goons was hilarious and awesome, because they consistently crippled the other nation for months by gaining an advantage through skill and riding it hard through persistence. It was amazing to watch, and great for everyone in the nation!

Even if you're not a goon, remember that goons build almost as many alliances as they build enemies - and it feels good to be on the winning side.

[Supremacist]

Cur, on 09 June 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

If you were a highly competative bunch that diddnt do what's stated above, people would be in awe/respect your skill, and be jealous of you. But that will never happen, as you all lack skill, but dont lack numbers. You think numbers = skill, and trashtalking = epeen.

You are off your rocker, you must not know us in any of the games we play. In WOT we are among the best units, and in Eve, we didnt conquer half the galaxy because we could, we actually stopped halfway through because the other half was occupied by our allies that respected us and looked up to us not just as freinds but as mentors.
Youre gonna half to deal with the fact that there are people out there that are actually better at things than you are.

Pleasant Wayne, on 09 June 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

So many claims from Goonswarm that anything said against them comes from an "isolated incident." How many isolated incidents have to occur before they connect?

What exactly are you going to do about it aside from wiping away your tears?

Edited by Supremacist, 09 June 2012 - 04:40 PM.

[Pleasant Wayne]

Supremacist, on 09 June 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

What exactly are you going to do about it aside from wiping away your tears?

Ha, haven't lost a game to you yet . What tears?
Edit: Also, fantastic comeback. Your originality is inspiring.

Edited by Pleasant Wayne, 09 June 2012 - 05:00 PM.

[Fyad]

Pleasant Wayne, on 09 June 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

So many claims from Goonswarm that anything said against them comes from an "isolated incident." How many isolated incidents have to occur before they connect?

Nah I'm not saying they are "isolated incidents" I'm saying they are outright lies there is a distinction there.

[Palestina]

Adridos, on 09 June 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

Then why did you answer: "You have no idea what you're talking about." previously?

It was true and it is still a signature of your goonswarm, it doesn't matter if it changed. If you call something a Goonswarm, you named yourself: "A bunch of people swarming others with inferior equip, but higher numbers." If you don't like people looking at you like that, then change the name, otherwise you're just trying to leech success of your predecessors.

Oh, and you've got no idea what you're talking about regarding: "Internet robot games: serious business."

Battlemechs are not robots, go back to school, or find a dictionary. Robot does things by himself (programmed), while the mech is the same as a tank, it just walks and has some few other minor details different.

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story I guess. History is written by the victors, excuses by the losers. I don't know if you have ever played EVE, but when you start the game you *have* to fly crappy ships. Not only are larger or more advanced hulls exponentially more expensive, each character also requires a pricey parade of skillbooks and months of incubation.

It's hardly the fault of the goons that their enemies were elitist snobs who turned up their noses at new players and wouldnt consider recruiting someone unless they had played the game for at least a year, and had suffered through a crummy interface and almost inscrutable learning curve, all to be invited into a humorless corporation.

Rather than imitate their enemies like everyone else did, the goons did things their own way: they invited new players straight into the wild-west of 0.0 space. They wrote extensive wiki articles, ran workshops, and showered them with inexpensive ships and equipment.

And of course when the Goons did finally dismantle Band of Brothers, BoB reformed by hoovering up every pubbie who could fog a mirror. Both of their next two iterations actually had more pilots than Goonfleet, but of course they conveniently forget about that while crying about getting outblobbed. These new pilots were bad at fitting ships, bad at pvp, and after a couple embarassing defeats they got pretty bad at logging in too. After years of badmouthing the way goons played the game, their enemies tried to imitate them, couldnt even do that right and quit the game to go play Star Wars. And lets not forget they cheated too.

In World of Tanks people crowed that Goons would get wiped off the map because the games were 15 on 15. I still have several months worth of gold on my account, I was earning it faster than I could spend it. The release of Skyrim did more damage to my clan than hundreds of vengeful enemy tankers could do. Over a year later they still hold some of the most valuable land in the game.

[Pleasant Wayne]

Fyad, on 09 June 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

Nah I'm not saying they are "isolated incidents" I'm saying they are outright lies there is a distinction there.

So the people speaking against you are automatically liars now? Amazing how well these things work out for you. Isolated incidents or lies.

[Fyad]

You know in fact I don't think anyone used the term "isolated incident" until you did so I don't know how any goons claimed anything was an isolated incident

Pleasant Wayne, on 09 June 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

So the people speaking against you are automatically liars now? Amazing how well these things work out for you. Isolated incidents or lies.

No, just lies. Like I said nobody said anything about incidents isolated or otherwise until you did.

Anyway yeah you get lied on a lot when you 0wn as hard as we historically have.

[Randalf Yorgen]

you do know you can go read their forums as well, they are prety careful but even then little bits slip out. This example is from their forums;
[indent]"I'm surpised nobody has leaked much more than a sentance about the plans for Word of Lowtax.
[/indent]

I just want to remind people that games is public, so keep all talk of our plan in the hidden forum. It'll be tough enough to coordinate as it is.

edit: Sorry, forgot I wasn't supposed to mention the name."



It's a troll fest that's for certain, you should check out their comments here http://forums.someth...&pagenumber=172 this is page 172 but if you go a few pages either side there is lots to read.


Anyways, this thread is boring now so I'll be moving along.

[Serevn]

Palestina, on 09 June 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story I guess. History is written by the victors, excuses by the losers. I don't know if you have ever played EVE, but when you start the game you *have* to fly crappy ships. Not only are larger or more advanced hulls exponentially more expensive, each character also requires a pricey parade of skillbooks and months of incubation.

It's hardly the fault of the goons that their enemies were elitist snobs who turned up their noses at new players and wouldnt consider recruiting someone unless they had played the game for at least a year, and had suffered through a crummy interface and almost inscrutable learning curve, all to be invited into a humorless corporation.

Rather than imitate their enemies like everyone else did, the goons did things their own way: they invited new players straight into the wild-west of 0.0 space. They wrote extensive wiki articles, ran workshops, and showered them with inexpensive ships and equipment.

And of course when the Goons did finally dismantle Band of Brothers, BoB reformed by hoovering up every pubbie who could fog a mirror. Both of their next two iterations actually had more pilots than Goonfleet, but of course they conveniently forget about that while crying about getting outblobbed. These new pilots were bad at fitting ships, bad at pvp, and after a couple embarassing defeats they got pretty bad at logging in too. After years of badmouthing the way goons played the game, their enemies tried to imitate them, couldnt even do that right and quit the game to go play Star Wars. And lets not forget they cheated too.

In World of Tanks people crowed that Goons would get wiped off the map because the games were 15 on 15. I still have several months worth of gold on my account, I was earning it faster than I could spend it. The release of Skyrim did more damage to my clan than hundreds of vengeful enemy tankers could do. Over a year later they still hold some of the most valuable land in the game.

That was well put together... some people say that goonswarm is largly a group of griefers and that that is the reason their disliked, or is it some exaggeration of effective trolling/ and anti-trolling of enemy players? What say you?

Edited by Serevn, 09 June 2012 - 05:41 PM.

[Pleasant Wayne]

I have not disputed skill. I have disputed sportsmanship. Granted, this may or may not be a concern of many, but it does matter to me. I have had firsthand experience of the actions of Goonswarm in the past, and that experience has been negative. They have shown themselves to be both poor winners and sore losers. They have trashtalked after winning, and have blamed everyone else but themselves for a loss. Other people have had both good and bad experiences with the group. I have yet to see any good. If this is a false perception of just a few individuals, I would love to see Goonswarm members acting with grace and respect. Anyone is capable of it.

[Enaris]

Speaking as someone whose encounters with any Goon/SA players is no more than occasionally seeing SGLE or NDP in WoT, and no more, what difference does it make?

First off, it sounds like this is a large number of people. So, there will be all kinds in there. Those you'd gladly go to the bar and drink a few with, as well as those you'd rather see fall into a swimming pool full of glass shards. Pretty much the same mix you'd find in any other group.

If they want to join the game, they'll join the game. So long as they don't do something that brings the Wrath of Mods on their heads, it's that simple. None of the houses have any say on who will or will not join them ingame. (I certainly don't expect an inquisition to see if I'm sufficiently Davion to use this avatar). So, the complaints that as a group they seem to be favoring Liao really end up being nothing more than a bunch of wailing which will accomplish nothing (other than giving a certain point-and-laugh factor).

So, the best advice is just to go and have fun in the game on your terms. If you run into "goons" that you find need ignoring, do so. Just the same as you would do with anyone else you find annoying, you know, like that preachy Enaris guy.

[Pleasant Wayne]

Harabec Weathers, on 09 June 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

Goons are joining Laio because we IDENTIFY with Liao.

Both of us are misunderstood groups who have been reduced to villanious charicature by those OTHER guys who hate us and skew everything to portray us in the most negative light. Meanwhile, anyone who takes a closer look at either Something Awful/Goons or House Liao/CapCon will discover a diverse and interesting culture who is far from the cackling, mustache twirling monster everyone depicts us as.


Have we done wrong? Of course, but our detractors seize upon these isolated incidents and prop them up as everyday example. They beat their wardrums and drive up anti-Goon/Liao sentiment.


Not evil, just misunderstood.

This is a statement of 'isolated incidents' liked by, among others, Mittani, implying he agrees.

[The Mittani]

I'm not sure what you gentlemen are trying to debate. You say goons are griefers; they are. You say they scam and are ruthless in EVE; you say that they spy and metagame. Absolutely true. You say that laugh at 'honor' in internet robot, tank, or spaceship games - and it's true (as it is nothing more than thinly-veiled hypocrisy). You say that goons are ruthless and enjoy winning; we do. You say that goons don't take roleplaying seriously; we don't. We also abhor furries and bronies.

But that is not what upsets pubbies, though any of these individual "wrongs" are cited at any given moment. What actually makes pubbies angry is that goons don't care what non-goons think and are flagrant about it.

We have a massive community of our own, with its own culture. The condemnation of outsiders means nothing to us except as a vehicle for comedy, because it's not like we'll be grouping up with random publords anyway (pubbies hate winning) This is the reason why this thread is at 15 pages and growing: you are angry at goons, not because they 'misbehave', but because they are not bound by the social mores of whatever culture you happen to hail from - on this subforum, a ~serious roleplay~ culture - and that the common goon doesn't react to your chastisement in the way you expect (apology and conformity) and instead just laughs and makes a joke about robots.

I hope that this helps create peace and understanding between our cultures!

[Two Beans]

Pleasant Wayne, on 09 June 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

and have blamed everyone else but themselves for a loss.

This right here is an outright lie. Goonswarm has blamed more losses on their own drunken fcs than any other thing.

Edited by Two Beans, 09 June 2012 - 05:43 PM.

[Pleasant Wayne]

Two Beans, on 09 June 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

This right here is an outright lie. Goonswarm had blamed more losses on their own drunken fcs than any other thing.

Sorry, but my personal experience wasn't a lie. This was a match (not an EVE battle), where a Goon contingent lost, and then proclaimed in chat that the rest of their team was incapable.