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Poll: User Satisfication Poll (596 member(s) have cast votes)

Are you happy with PGI's community interaction?

  1. Yes (133 votes [22.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.35%

  2. No (433 votes [72.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 72.77%

  3. Other (explain) (29 votes [4.87%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.87%

How do you feel MW:O is progressing?

  1. In the right direction (71 votes [11.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.93%

  2. More right than wrong (186 votes [31.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.26%

  3. More wrong than right (222 votes [37.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.31%

  4. In the wrong direction (105 votes [17.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.65%

  5. Other (Explain) (11 votes [1.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.85%

How balanced do you feel the mechs and weapons are?

  1. Well balanced (28 votes [4.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.71%

  2. More well balanced guns than badly balanced ones (192 votes [32.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.27%

  3. More badly balanced guns than well balanced ones (219 votes [36.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.81%

  4. Very imbalanced (144 votes [24.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.20%

  5. Other (Explain) (12 votes [2.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.02%

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#441 Zerstorer Stallin

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:19 AM

View Postjakucha, on 12 July 2013 - 11:31 PM, said:


Ah, yes, welcome to "The Sky is Always Falling" with your host, Victor Morson.


its more like the sky fell, a meteor struck that and it caught of fire causing a nuclear blast....

#442 Petra Chistu

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 12:54 PM

View PostBattlecruiser, on 23 June 2013 - 02:56 PM, said:

pgi are you going to fix your ******* game or what? Or is this your design intention? contrary to popular belief, you'll go bankrupt and my wallet will still be full of money if you keep pretending like what you're doing is working. Sweep **** under the rug and you may not see it, but it's still there stinking up the house.

and this is coming from someone with a 66% win rate and nearly 3 kd/r with a sub optimal build.

so imagine what i can do with a gauss or ppc boat? I already know what I can do with a gauss boat, and if i really started looking at winning objectively? Well I've got good news, that's exactly whats on my agenda as soon as I'm done getting my D-DC to elite. I'm tired of needing to stack weapons to be effective, so at this point I'm going to do it to help kill the game, after all it's not my fault the game is very imbalanced, I'm just using whats available.


I've gotten to this point myself. People who have played against me now know that in my Spider. I'm deadly. I can barely be hit, I average 2-5 kills per game in a 5D. And I'm not boating PPCs, Large lasers or even have the capability to throw on a Gauss Rifle. As soon as I'm done Mastering my Spiders. I'm going to buy either an Atlas or a Highlander, just like everyone else and turn it into a walking death machine. If I can **** you in a Spider, I will dominate you in an Assault Class Chassis, ESPECIALLY with the current meta. Heat penalty that was implemented was a joke, so sad. And like my friend up here that I quoted stated, you won't be able to do anything, "Because after all. I'm just using what I'm allowed."

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 02:32 PM

I missed this tidbit a while back... but this is significantly relevant to the discussion:

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2556262

Most Important Part said:

Twitter User July 11th
How do you pick the community testing group? What are the criteria?
Russ Bullock ‏@russ_bullock July 11th
they have to have an ELO greater then @Ab_eer ! Just kidding, I'm not sure but in NDA trustworthy and even keeled.
Twitter User July 11th
Is there somewhere we can send applications? I know quite a few people who would be perfect.
Russ Bullock ‏@russ_bullock July 11th
yes email And talk with Paul ( sorry Paul here they come )
Twitter User July 11th
So are the Secret Squirrel Testers finally coming to light? It's about time.
Russ Bullock ‏@russ_bullock July 12th
oops did I blow it?


I'm actually wondering if they are picking random and "less informed" people to dictate balance in MWO. I don't expect PGI to pick the most vocal of people (because, who wants to hear/read our whines), but I get the strong feeling there is a disconnect between the issues that get tested and balanced...

#444 xenoglyph

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 02:44 PM

They ignore polls where thousands of players respond and there is a clear and overwhelming majority.

Why would they listen to a group of play testers?

We're on an island.

#445 Deathlike

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 02:59 PM

View Postxenoglyph, on 22 July 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

They ignore polls where thousands of players respond and there is a clear and overwhelming majority.


Except the obviously demanded SRM damage = 2.0 buff (although, PGI/Paul claims this is temporary while hitreg is being investigated).

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Why would they listen to a group of play testers?


Only if they agree to all of Paul's ideas... :P

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We're on an island.


If only this island is a part of Lost...

Edited by Deathlike, 22 July 2013 - 02:59 PM.


#446 xenoglyph

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 03:01 PM

View PostDeathlike, on 22 July 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

Except the obviously demanded SRM damage = 2.0 buff (although, PGI/Paul claims this is temporary while hitreg is being investigated).


Hah, that's only because Paul was so tired of making mistakes he wanted to be able to blame us if it turned out to be a giant cockup.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 03:03 PM

View Postxenoglyph, on 22 July 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

Hah, that's only because Paul was so tired of making mistakes he wanted to be able to blame us if it turned out to be a giant cockup.


It's great how it's blowing up in his face at the moment.. where brawling with SRM has risen noticeably.

Of course, there's a few "hate on Splatcat" threads that are roaming around.

#448 MaxStr

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 03:16 PM

It would be nice if the majority of weapons were at a level above "totally useless, never bring into battle ever".

#449 Undead Bane

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 03:22 PM

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Soooo.... Still not a single **** given by devs, as far as I can see... Spectacular!

#450 DoubleEdged

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:04 PM

So I noticed in their "We're hiring" ad that it is missing testers, HR, but most importantly, Market researchers. I would probably put this disconnect of community-developer relations as market research for their game since it is feedback on its development.

I have an idea for low cost surveyor job for market research, which is basically 8 hours on forums and communication points tallying the hottest issues. Technically it is a min wage job that they don't need personnel on site to do, alternatively they could hire a subcontractor to do this for them.

Maybe that would help them develop a bit better?

#451 C E Dwyer

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:12 PM

They listend to us about the srm buff, and the dam increase, its actually made srms viable, and well if they don't do another thing with them I won't complain.

I think Homeless bill hit the nail on the head, I think on the first page

#452 Xie Belvoule

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:42 PM

View PostCathy, on 23 July 2013 - 12:12 PM, said:

They listend to us about the srm buff, and the dam increase, its actually made srms viable, and well if they don't do another thing with them I won't complain.


They were going to increase SRM damage anyway, they just put up the poll so that if **** went badly they could just blame the community for it.

#453 Tezcatli

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:56 PM

They are listening to the community. They're just not snapping to attention and doing as the community says. And when it does something that community suggested. They get "You're just listening to the whiners!" and when they don't do something the community wants, "You're not listening!"

They are trying. But the amount of things they implement and change in a given month is limited. And typically it's delayed. They only make snap changes if it's a serious problem like the LRM apocalypse. I remember people complaining about MGs, flamers, and LBXs, they changed them a month later and people said; "Wtf is this!? Who cares about these things! PPCs are demons!" On top of that they usually try to introduce some new feature to the game every few months. Which then has it's own issues.

Looking at what they're doing. Compared to other games I've played and their Forum communities. PGI really isn't that much worse and this whole "balancing from a bubble" is a very common complaint levied against game companies by their Forum communities.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 02:24 PM

http://www.twitch.tv...mes/b/426363372

I didn't even see this video all the way through.
If this doesn't convince them that Plasma Pulse Cannons need to be nerfed into the ground, nothing will. This will be the deciding factor once and for all if they truly do have the player's best interests at heart, or if they are just in this for the money. I'll be patient and wait it out and keep playing for now. If nothing's done, then they lose a player and her money for good. As I'm sure a lot of others will follow suit and leave this game with their money.
If nerfing isn't the best option as far as damage goes. At the very LEAST. I agree with a friend of mine's idea to implement weapon number limitations in load outs to force users into diversified builds to level the playing field for players of ALL skill levels. Not just the kill mongers.

#455 Victor Morson

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 02:34 PM

That video is old.

They put in the heat nerf after.

Nothing has been accomplished.

#456 Petra Chistu

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 02:45 PM

View PostVictor Morson, on 23 July 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

That video is old.

They put in the heat nerf after.

Nothing has been accomplished.

View PostVictor Morson, on 23 July 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

That video is old.

They put in the heat nerf after.

Nothing has been accomplished.


^ This.
This is even sadder. I didn't realize that it was that old and still nothing has been done. Wow. That comment probably made me rethink my entire post.
Alright. Reverting to my other post on a different thread then.
If you can't beat em, join em and give them a taste of their own medicine. I've constructed a devastating Catapult K-2 build, as I am very fond of that chassis as well and with my unique piloting ability. I'm going to just make people cry. Pray that I don't come into games against you PGI, my PPCs are going into your cockpits. Eventually you'll get sick and tired of the **** fest and players like me will force you into an appropriate decision.
If that still fails. Then you can kiss a large amount of players good bye.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 03:45 PM

i saw some posts about clan XL engines and dying too easy. HERP DERP clan mechs also outrange IS mechs by practically double. and run with extremely good heat eff.

having the XL is what keeps the clan mechs from completely destroying everyone

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 03:49 PM

View PostWarMonkey14, on 23 July 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

i saw some posts about clan XL engines and dying too easy. HERP DERP clan mechs also outrange IS mechs by practically double. and run with extremely good heat eff.

having the XL is what keeps the clan mechs from completely destroying everyone

...Clan XL requires both side torsos to be destroyed (because they take up only 2 slots per side). By the time a mech is reduced to a walking CT, it's pretty much useless besides capping anyways (excluding mechs with CT hardpoints).

Edited by FupDup, 23 July 2013 - 03:49 PM.


#459 Joseph Mallan

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 03:50 PM

View PostWarMonkey14, on 23 July 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

i saw some posts about clan XL engines and dying too easy. HERP DERP clan mechs also outrange IS mechs by practically double. and run with extremely good heat eff.

having the XL is what keeps the clan mechs from completely destroying everyone

In what universe? The Clan Omnis have heat written all over them. Very few if any ran cool!

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 04:02 PM

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In what universe? The Clan Omnis have heat written all over them. Very few if any ran cool!

The stock ones. But its no secret stock mechs are terrible. Give me DHS that take up 2 crit slots and ERPPCs that do 50% more damage and I will do horrible, horrible things to you.





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