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[Carl Wrede]

TrackTerror, on 26 June 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:

Is it just me or does the Locust look nothing like the original? Was not the buissness model to try to stay as close to cannon as possible? Serious fail on poor Locust... this.Locust

Yes its unfortunate that they used a "Locust" that is unrecognizable as a real Locust. But they did a better job with the Shadow Hawk who actually looks like a real Shadow Hawk.

[ryoma]

John MatriX82, on 26 June 2013 - 04:08 AM, said:

So my thoughts are.. no interest in this.

I don't quite frankly want the Locust at all, I'm not a lightmech pilot. There's no added MCs in these packs, besides PT and the mechs that are given to you under form of them and the related mechbays. If any of those extra normal variants isn't worth, what do I do, I sell it after having paid real money for it instead of Cbills? Nope.

Back in the Founder time I chose the Elite because it allowed me to have a choice. I could take 1 mech among the available 4, and I didn't care less for the Jenner, the Catapult and the HBK 4G, so I gladly went for my beloved AS7-D.

With these packages if I want to get the assault, I'm forced to spend and to get the Locust as well. Please rethink the packages or add 3 intermediate tiers, like

-30$ -> Chose 1 mech to get the phoenix variant + 2 standard variants 30 days for early buy and nothing else

-50$ -> Chose 2 mechs, 2 if which phoenix and 4 standard variants 30 PT days for early buy and faction medallion

-70$ -> Chose 3 mechs, 3 phoenix, 6 total standard variants, 30+30 PT days, 2 faction medallions.


Do the above, and I might turn back to my heels and either go for the 50 or even the 70 package, since I don't really want the locust, or at least I'd like to choose what I want. Otherwise I'll be fine with my elite founder status, and will happily wait for another black friday MC sale up in the future, since it's MC sales that we all call about by months, the offer is nice and the mechs are iconic, but I don't want to be forced to get what I don't want or I don't care.

This guy has some great ideas! BTW here's a petition for anyone with a similar viewpoint.
http://mwomercs.com/...-phoenix-mechs/

[Suko]

This forum is full of people who just refuse to be happy.

[Naja]

I don't understand the founders complaining about this package.
When Founders came out, PGI said "It's $120 (or whichever) for all this stuff", and many of us jumped at it. We bought the package with the understanding that we'd get what we were shown, why do people think that entitles you to all the stuff that comes out after it?

Besides, the main objection I ever had was for subsequent packages was the purchasers being referred to as 'Founders', and as that seems not to be the case, I see no issue. Founders are still snowflakes, we carry the founder title and have our founder mechs, we are not less because of the package, infact as the time passes further away from the time the package was available, we only become more.

Only one thing i'd like to see is the founders mech bonuses getting a buff in line with current bonuses, other than that I really see no issue.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Syrkres, on 26 June 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

They should also add Custom Forum badges for Founders.

I shouldn't have to choose one or the Other if I am both...

I want a badge that says (If I decide to buy still debating) "Legendary xxxxxx" (i.e. Legendary Overlord - if I buy the Overlord package).

Why do I have to show one or the other...

I think the Founders' badges are more "valuable" than the Phoenix badges. The Founder's Program was bought-into by large numbers of people who haven't even played the game yet because it hadn't even left the PGI Offices yet, and it also includes myriad people who bought-in during the early phases of Closed Beta. many of these folks were in it from the beginning, before any substantial advertising, and helped to cement its future for a time. "Founders" really did help to afford the building of this game's backbone; this is in no way meant to be derogatory against those players who did not buy in early. Testers are always needed and appreciated, and I never felt a hint of "freeloader-loathing" during my entire time with this game.

The Project Phoenix sale is an awesome-looking way to sell a bundled, themed package that has close ties to BattleTech stuffness. I do feel, though, that a Founder's Badge carries more weight than a Phoenix Badge only because it served a somewhat-pivotal purpose very early in the development cycle. Buying a Phoenix package is very much supportive and a great way to hep the game grow, too. I'm getting one, however I would more "proudly" wear my Legendary Founders Badge than a Phoenix Badge (simply because I had the opportunity to get a Founder's pack back when they were available).

(yeah... being a Mod doesn't show your Founder's Badge on the forums, but I have one in-game... when I remember to re-check that box...)

Edited by Prosperity Park, 26 June 2013 - 03:11 PM.

[Dawnthieve]

Still got like 70$ worth of MC lyin around. (17k exactly). I'd really like an option to buy-in on the variants with MC, without dumping another load of real money in a game that I hardly play atm.

[Steinar Bergstol]

Headshot39, on 26 June 2013 - 05:32 AM, said:

while I want my tbolt those are NOT the proper profiles for same the locust is too squared off is instead supposed to be rounded ,the s-hawk profile is too rounded and skeletal. the Tbolts cockpit is set into the upper right center torso with a flat top not that blasted R2d2 thing in the profile is supposed to be shorter and more blocky looking as well...and I do not know what mech profile that is for the battlemaster but that is so NOT a BM its not funny... the shawk t bolt and BM all are supposed to have proper hands what are these robotic claw things on the arms??? that's not proper at all.....get it effing right

Actually, the original Locust (from Crusher Joe) was fairly square in the body. The cockpit was basically a box with a flat front windscreen taking up the entire front of the mech.



The Shadow Hawk had a somewhat longer AC in the original, and may look somewhat thinner, but not by much.


The Thunderbolt original art does indeed have the cockpit on the upper right center torso and the LRM launcher on the left, but here's the thing: That completely disagrees with the Tech Readout stats which state the LRM is in the Right Torso, which would force the cockpit over on the left side. This isn't the first time Alex has been forced to change stuff around compared to the old art because the old art did not always actually agree with the mech's actual stats.

As far as the Battlemaster. Hard to tell from the profile since we can't really see what the cockpit looks like, which was always a big identifier for the BLR.

[Kael Tropheus]

Only read the first page. Looks like I am the only dissenter in the ranks. The Locust looks like a bulky jenner, the Shadowhawk looks like crap. Now admittingly the Thunderbolt always reminded me of a fat man and was never a good looking mech so hopefully it will look good. The Battlemaster definately is lacking the original lines, I mean I know they would likely get in trouble for matching it to the original but at least have it look something like it, thats half the reason a lot of us old timers like the old mechs. At least you guys could have made the real popular Unseen like the Warhammer or Marauder, the Battlemaster is the only one I am remotely interested in since the Locust looks so, well, completely not like a Locust, and I am definately not spending that much money to get three crappy mechs in order to get a maybe cool looking mech that looks nothing like the classic.

[SlavKatyusha]

Syrkres, on 26 June 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

They should also add Custom Forum badges for Founders.

I shouldn't have to choose one or the Other if I am both...

I want a badge that says (If I decide to buy still debating) "Legendary xxxxxx" (i.e. Legendary Overlord - if I buy the Overlord package).

Why do I have to show one or the other...

Agreed, i demand a GODLIKE Founder badge for us :| *giggles like a crazy girl*

[Darkton]

Well, after 24 pages, I have deduced the average posters in this thread.

• People who go "OMG UNSEEN" and nothing else
  
• People who go "Shut up and take my money" or variations off of it
  
• People who wish they had the money for it
  
• People who feel lucky for their next paycheck to get it
  
• Disgruntled Founders (Most of them Elite, I noticed) who feel like they've been ripped off
  
• People asking for info on an upcoming feature (CW, Clans)
  
• People who say the game is broken and won't buy it
  
• People who say it's a blatant cash grab
  
• People who say the game will die before the pack is released
  
• People complaining about complaining
  
• People who look like they're gonna say one thing and instead say something else, (usually negative to positive)
  
• People who post an image macro related to any of the viewpoints
  
• People who rebut the claims made by any of the above viewpoints
  
• People who have a mix of all opinions (cool, but PGI sucks; cautiously optimistic)

Consider me mixed. I don't play Mech Online that much, hence me not activating my Premium Membership. I'd probably play more often if it weren't for me constantly losing. On the other hand, I'm worried about having to use cheap tactics to win. A better balanced game would be much more appreciative.

How awesome, then, that there just so happens to be 8 months for this to take effect, one to decide to buy the pack. I'm sure in that time we'll get some more info. At least, I hope I do. I just hope that PGI uses the time to announce stuff about CW before the pack goes live, otherwise there'd be more complaining.

I don't have the money now, but I will in the next four weeks. By that time, it'll only be around the 20th, so I'll save up to go to max. Just so I can support you on your endeavors. All of them.

Also, I too predict there's gonna be a Clan founders pack. And I am 100% okay with that, and will likely pay the top amount. Jade Falcons represent!

[Khobai]

This offer is terrible. Who's bright idea was it to not allow players to choose what mechs they wanted? Im not paying $80 to get the Battlemaster when I dont even want the other 3 mechs. We should've been allowed to pick the mechs we wanted like we could with founders. It's a shame because I would've dropped $20, or possibly even $40, if I could get the Battlemaster, but for $80 it's just not worth it to me.

And no im not a disgruntled founder. I got every bit and more out of the $60 I spent on founders. And I would absolutely love to continue supporting this game financially, which is why it's so disappointing that I can't get the mech I want by only spending $20-$40. PGI consistently fails at giving me ways to spend my money on things I actually want. Again to reiterate, I will not spend $80 for 3 mechs I do not want, just to get 1 mech I do want.

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Also, I too predict there's gonna be a Clan founders pack.

Obviously. But I hope when PGI does that offer they have the sense to let players choose the mechs they want.

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How is this a kick in the teeth to Founders? I certainly don't feel kicked in the teeth

It's not a kick in the teeth to Founders at all. Its a kick in the teeth to players who want to spend $20-$40 but not $60-$80. PGI still has not grasped the concept of microtransactions.

Edited by Khobai, 26 June 2013 - 05:19 PM.

[Liquidx]

Steemship, on 26 June 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

So I see you paid us 120 dollars before we had any alpha footage available to you. Because you did that, we'll give you four mechs, 20k MC, and 90 days premium time.

Months pass.

But wait, pay us the low fee of 80 dollars, and we'll give you 12 mechs AND shiny medallions with a feeble bonus! You heard me right, son, 33% less money and 300% more mech cause **** you Founders who supported us. You aren't important anymore.

there have been several posts with this theme as this thread has progressed, and each and every one of them has gotten stupider and more irrational than the last.

First off, You didn't pay $120 for your founders package (you're elite level) so why do you care. Secondly, the difference between the Legendary founders package and the phoenix package is a $40 real money. The in-game asset difference is $80 in game money vs 8 mechbays, 8 mechs you could buy for cbills, and 4 stupid cockpit items.

How is it that 8 mech bays (~$15 value), 8 mechs you can buy for cbills, and 4 next to useless cockpit items (MAYBE $20 value.. and that's a reach) is worth more to you than the in game currency?

Steemship, on 26 June 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

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Maybe they should learn from Planetary Annihilation: the game that was 80 dollars on Steam because they didn't want to shaft their kickstart backers.

Founders have had their hero mechs for almost a year now, got early access to the beta, and enough currency to last you until CW is implemented (unless you're buying every hero mech they've released). So almost a full year after you bought your founders pack, you're feeling ripped off because they put out a new package of hero mechs with comparable value.

I'm confused as to why you're upset about this at all.
1) the phoenix package is clearly inferior to the founders package in both mech tonnage and in-game-value.
2) they aren't taking anything away from you, and the founders mechs are still as "rare" as they ever were.
3) they've been putting out single hero mechs for months - but the moment they throw a few in a package deal you get all retardstrong.

I think if you looked at this with a rational eye, and perhaps though about it for a bit - you'd realize how stupid your statement (and all of them on the forum with this theme) is, and take the appropriate self-maiming action (I'd prefer you step in front of a speeding bus, but everyone has their preference).

[Khobai]

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the phoenix package is clearly inferior to the founders package in both mech tonnage and in-game-value.

no its not. you get 12 mechs for $80. as opposed to 4 mechs for $120.

[Liquidx]

Khobai, on 26 June 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

This offer is terrible. Who's bright idea was it to not allow players to choose what mechs they wanted? Im not paying $80 to get the Battlemaster when I dont even want the other 3 mechs.

So then don't buy them and wait to buy the battlemaster with cbills.

Khobai, on 26 June 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

We should've been allowed to pick the mechs we wanted like we could with founders. It's a shame because I would've dropped $20, or possibly even $40, if I could get the Battlemaster, but for $80 it's just not worth it to me.

So.. good job, you've rationalized the situation and decided it's not for you. The fact that you don't want to pony up the money to buy mechs you won't play is fine. Go buy a single offering hero mech then, there are plenty to choose from. It just makes you sound like another entitled whiner on the internet.

Would they possibly make more money by offering each mech individually? maybe.. but then what is the incentive of moving up in price to the next package? You're also assuming that they will not release a stand alone hero variant of the battlemaster, in addition to the variant included in the package.

Ideally, with packages like these, they would offer the individual hero mechs as well at a later date, and charge accordingly for those mechs (with none of the other benefits of the package deal). But if they choose not to, then so be it, less phoenix variants in the game creates a sense of rarity and variety on the battlefield. I'm ok with that.

I may buy the package.. I may not, but until CW and more game modes arrive, there doesn't seem to be any solid rationale for buying the phoenix mechs.

[ryoma]

Khobai, on 26 June 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

This offer is terrible. Who's bright idea was it to not allow players to choose what mechs they wanted? Im not paying $80 to get the Battlemaster when I dont even want the other 3 mechs. We should've been allowed to pick the mechs we wanted like we could with founders. It's a shame because I would've dropped $20, or possibly even $40, if I could get the Battlemaster, but for $80 it's just not worth it to me.

And no im not a disgruntled founder. I got every bit and more out of the $60 I spent on founders. And I would absolutely love to continue supporting this game financially, which is why it's so disappointing that I can't get the mech I want by only spending $20-$40. PGI consistently fails at giving me ways to spend my money on things I actually want. Again to reiterate, I will not spend $80 for 3 mechs I do not want, just to get 1 mech I do want.



Obviously. But I hope when PGI does that offer they have the sense to let players choose the mechs they want.



It's not a kick in the teeth to Founders at all. Its a kick in the teeth to players who want to spend $20-$40 but not $60-$80. PGI still has not grasped the concept of microtransactions.

Khobai, on 26 June 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

This offer is terrible. Who's bright idea was it to not allow players to choose what mechs they wanted? Im not paying $80 to get the Battlemaster when I dont even want the other 3 mechs. We should've been allowed to pick the mechs we wanted like we could with founders. It's a shame because I would've dropped $20, or possibly even $40, if I could get the Battlemaster, but for $80 it's just not worth it to me.

And no im not a disgruntled founder. I got every bit and more out of the $60 I spent on founders. And I would absolutely love to continue supporting this game financially, which is why it's so disappointing that I can't get the mech I want by only spending $20-$40. PGI consistently fails at giving me ways to spend my money on things I actually want. Again to reiterate, I will not spend $80 for 3 mechs I do not want, just to get 1 mech I do want.



Obviously. But I hope when PGI does that offer they have the sense to let players choose the mechs they want.



It's not a kick in the teeth to Founders at all. Its a kick in the teeth to players who want to spend $20-$40 but not $60-$80. PGI still has not grasped the concept of microtransactions.

Damn right!

[Khobai]

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but then what is the incentive of moving up in price to the next package?

Conversely whats the incentive of buying a lower priced package? who in their right mind would pay $20 for a locust. lmao. The way the packages are set up now its effectively pay $80 or gtf o. That is not how you market different packages to players with different budgets.

This is how the packages should've been:

$20, choose 1 mech, 1 month premium
$40, get the locust and choose 1 mech, 1 medallion, 1 month premium
$60, get the locust and shadowhawk and choose 1 mech, 2 medallions, 2 months premium
$80, get all four mechs, 4 medallions, 4 months premium

See the difference? Now theres a reason to actually buy the $20 package. But the $80 package is still clearly the best deal of the bunch because of the 4 months of premium thrown in.

That is marketing 101... to give everyone something they want, regardless of their budget.

Edited by Khobai, 26 June 2013 - 05:47 PM.

[Liquidx]

Khobai, on 26 June 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

no its not. you get 12 mechs for $80. as opposed to 4 mechs for $120.

yay for reading comprehension.

8 of those 12 mechs are easily purchasable with cbills, so they have very little to no actual value, it's not like cbills are hard to come by in this game.

So:
founders got 4 hero mechs
phoenix pack gets 4 hero mechs
edge: wash

founders got 4 mech bays
phoenix pack gets 12 mech bays (about $15 value)
edge: phoenix pack

founders got 90 days premium time
phoenix pack gets 90 days premium time
edge: wash

founders got early access to the beta, and time to save up millions of cbills
phoenix pack gets 8 mechs you could buy with cbills
edge: wash

founders got 20,000 MC ($80 value)
phoenix pack gets 4 cockpit items
edge: founders

So for that extra $40 bucks as a founder you got 20,000 cbills (worth $80), phoenix pack gets 4 ugly cockpit items and $15 worth of mech bays.
How exactly is the phoenix pack better again ?

[Cleatus Jones]

My only question here is that, if i do not buy this package and decide later that I do want one of the mechs offered here ,are there only going to be two variants of each class available?And will that leave me with no option to gain elite/master status on those said mechs? Or am I reading something wrong, being that the hero class will not be available after a certian time?

[Liquidx]

Khobai, on 26 June 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

conversely whats the incentive of buying a lower priced package? who in their right mind would pay $20 for a locust. lmao.

typically the incentive to moving up in price to the next package is that you get a better deal. but the way the packages are set up now its effectively pay $80 or pay $0.

Just because you don't like playing lights doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way. There are plenty of lights running around in the games I've played. It's 20 tons, moves like the wind, and has a small, spindly profile. I'll admit that if PGI actually had developed role warfare, it would be a lot more appealing than it is now because it can't carry much for weapons loadout, but I'd be willing to bet there are a lot of TT players who would like to have it in their stable.

also.. why would they provide any incentive for spending less money on their product? that makes no sense at all.

Edited by Liquidx, 26 June 2013 - 05:43 PM.

[Khobai]

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Just because you don't like playing lights doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way.

I absolutely agree. Which is why we should be able to CHOOSE at least one of the mechs we want in each of the packages. If you like lights then by all means choose the locust. But you shouldnt be forced to buy a locust if you dont want it.

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also.. why would they provide any incentive for spending less money on their product? that makes no sense at all.

It makes perfect sense. People who spent $80 likely wouldve spent $80 either way. People who wouldve spent $20-$40 are spending $0 because they cant choose the mechs they buy.

Not everyone wants to spend $80 on a buggy, unbalanced game that is on the decline when they could spend $80 during the steam summer sale and get 8-10 NEW games, any one of which is considered a better game than MWO.

However, I still like MWO just enough that I would spend $20 or $40 if I could get the mech I want. But since I can't get the mech I want, I will be spending $0. That is a loss of a potential sale for PGI.

Again, part of successful marketing, is giving players of every budget level something they want. That is the entire purpose behind microtransactions. You spend what you can, and you never feel ripped off.

Edited by Khobai, 26 June 2013 - 06:03 PM.