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[BFalcon]

Adrian McLeod, on 13 June 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

for me

360 - never ever
armtwist to the back - yes (I love playing TT with newbies and then looking at their face when using my rifleman, waiting that they walk behind me and then twisting ,,, that´s sooo funny )

Not when you're the poor SOB Light Mech that forgets that the Rifleman can do that and finds itself sat there...

[Scarlett Avignon]

In reply to the question, "you do understand what logic is?"

You replied:

Teralitha, on 13 June 2012 - 06:26 AM, said:

my logic trumps your logic.

So, the answer is no.

[Kid Weeb]

I'm going to look at this just a little different. On the one hand, it would be a great tactical advantage to be able to 360 - shooting an opponent all the time while he circles you sounds great.

On the other hand, do you need to 360? You're probably not going to be standing still while someone circles you. And if someone gets into your 6, by the time you do just a 180 you have probably taken massive damage in your rear armor (if you're still around at all).

I believe that the Devs will incorporate rear firing weapons at some point in the future since there are quite a few Mechs with that feature. I also believe that certain Mechs will be able to flip their arms into their rear firing arc as per Canon. As far as 360 torso twisting, not sure how this fits into Canon. No Mechs come to mind with that feature but then I don't know everything.

At the end of the day, I don't think that I support the 360 torso twist even if it would be a cool feature on some Mechs. I just don't see how it would work given the internal structure of most Mechs.

[Max Liao]

Teralitha, on 13 June 2012 - 06:26 AM, said:

Yes, and my logic trumps your logic. Its makes more sense, to read the topic, before making dump replies. But thanks for the bumps.

No, my logic - established (fictitious world) game canon - trumps any argument you have made. WOW! I never knew it was so simple to win an debate. Thank you Master Debater!

Now, like you, I'm going to shout "I WIN," put my hands over my ears, and continue to scream "lalalalalalalalala ... can't heaaaarrrr youuuuuuu ... lalalalallalalala" ad infinitum.

[Teralitha]

Adrian McLeod, on 13 June 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

for me

360 - never ever
armtwist to the back - yes (I love playing TT with newbies and then looking at their face when using my rifleman, waiting that they walk behind me and then twisting ,,, that´s sooo funny )

Really, so not all mechs in TT have the 120 hex limit like the rules lawyers proclaim? Your post just strengthens my points.


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Franklen Avignon, on 13 June 2012 - 06:35 AM, said:

In reply to the question, "you do understand what logic is?"

You replied:



So, the answer is no.

If you understood logic at my level, you would realize how silly you sound.


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Max Liao, on 13 June 2012 - 06:36 AM, said:

Now, like you, I'm going to shout "I WIN," put my hands over my ears, and continue to scream "lalalalalalalalala ... can't heaaaarrrr youuuuuuu ... lalalalallalalala" ad infinitum.

Just like your namesake does when confronted with sane, rational arguments then?

(Sorry, I couldn't resist that small Davion/Liao dig there...)

[Teralitha]

Kid Weeb, on 13 June 2012 - 06:35 AM, said:

At the end of the day, I don't think that I support the 360 torso twist even if it would be a cool feature on some Mechs. I just don't see how it would work given the internal structure of most Mechs.

So what your saying is... even though adding in 360 would be REALLY COOL!!!!!! You are agaisnt it because ? its really cool? sorry I dont get it...

[Aleksander Storm]

shortpainter, on 12 June 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

Making games is very hard work, it cannot be done by one person, and it can all fall apart real fast.

It cannot be done by one person... anymore. Unless you're doing indie games, then you totally can.

[Teralitha]

Max Liao, on 13 June 2012 - 06:36 AM, said:

Now, like you, I'm going to shout "I WIN," put my hands over my ears, and continue to scream "lalalalalalalalala ... can't heaaaarrrr youuuuuuu ... lalalalallalalala" ad infinitum.

Join the rest of your canon. Its what they been doing all along. But they still have nothing.

[Scarlett Avignon]

Teralitha, on 13 June 2012 - 06:38 AM, said:

If you understood logic at my level, you would realize how silly you sound.

I think the fact that you believe there is another level of logic is the source of the problem, here.

[Teralitha]

Franklen Avignon, on 13 June 2012 - 06:44 AM, said:

I think the fact that you believe there is another level of logic is the source of the problem, here.

Oh but there are levels of logic.. if we were all the same in our logical thought process, then we would all be chess grandmasters. Or we would all be like you.....



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Edited by Teralitha, 13 June 2012 - 06:47 AM.

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Teralitha, on 13 June 2012 - 06:46 AM, said:

Oh but there are levels of logic.. if we were all the same in our logical thought process, then we would all be chess grandmasters.

You're confusing skill at a game with logic.

That being said, I don't see that there is anything else I can do here against the fine reasoning and debate skills you possess.

You, sir, win the internets.

Edited by Franklen Avignon, 13 June 2012 - 06:54 AM.

[Teralitha]

You are confusing logic with skill, in regards to chess. But I respect you for admitting defeat..


Now..


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Edited by Teralitha, 13 June 2012 - 06:57 AM.

[Colaessus]

All of you forget how a Mech is actually controlled.

Last I checcked, no human can walk with 360 torso twist, seeing that the mech is hooked up to your brain . . . . . mhmmm . . . yea, no 360 twist.

[Aleksander Storm]

I just thought this needed to be addressed, since I hate when this gets rubbed in every time...

Franklen Avignon, on 12 June 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

Almost without fail, anyone who claims to like MW4 and say it was a good MW game, started out playing that one. MW4 was easily the "Kindgom of the Crystal Skull" of Mechwarrior titles. Yeah, it was flashy and had the biggest budget of any of the titles. Hell, it even had potential, but in the end, it barely seemed like it belonged with the others.

I started with Mechwarrior 1; hell, I started with Crescent Hawk's Inception, and played all the ones between, except Pirate's Moon which is technically just an expansion. I still thought Mechwarrior 4, BUT ONLY AFTER ALL THE EXPANSIONS AND MEKTEK GOT A SWING AT IT, was a good BattleTech game. And nothing like Crystal Skull was to Indy. That's closer to MechAssault, which admittedly is the only 'BattleTech' game I never played, and never wish to.

Franklen Avignon, on 12 June 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

If you enjoy the enhanced maneuverability, dumbed down atmosphere, and over-the-top abilities of that title, by all means, there are plenty of Japanese Mecha games that will give you exactly what you are looking for.

Eh?! MechWarrior 4 was nowhere near as ridiculous and over the top as MechWarrior 2 in terms of 'enhanced maneuverability, dumbed down atmosphere, and over-the-top abilities'. Jump Jets that let you slide and fly everywhere ring any bells? How about MechWarrior 3's 'Lose a leg, your dead!' mechanic? At least in MechWarrior 4, if you lost the leg, you just got to be a gimp until someone popped you. And that wounded leg even acted as a nice shortcut to your CT, even, so your death could be expedient. Even before you lose the leg, I think as you took internal damage to it, it started to slow in movement. How's that for simulation? Not to mention the actual bloody meltdowns that caused damage, unlike every MechWarrior before. Jump Jets did one thing and one thing only: lift your 'Mech, and you were actually not very maneuverable once airborne, either, unlike MechWarrior 2. I could go on.

Yes, it wasn't the best, but I hate it when my fellow fans- fans who've grown up with the BattleTech franchise just as much as I had -tear down the last MechWarrior just because their first taste of it caused them to vomit or something, and that it was a terrible simulator just because one element or another disgusted their sensibilities.

I definitely want this to have more in common with MW3, but I will say any truly great simulation of MechWarrior/BattleTech will involve elements from all previous MechWarriors, and not ignore MechWarrior 4 just because it didn't fit your idea of a MechWarrior simulator.

[BFalcon]

Amro One, on 13 June 2012 - 06:59 AM, said:

All of you forget how a Mech is actually controlled

Not really - I mentioned the neurohelmet above - although there's also joysticks and pedals mentioned in the books.

[Egomane]

This whole thread should simply stop. Both sides disagree with each other.

What I can clearly see is, that arguments against 360° are no longer adressed by those in favor, but ridiculed for at least a couple of pages now. Some arguments have never been adressed.

So it makes no sense to try to argue about a possible game feature here, because one side doesn't listen at all (pro 360°) to arguments and the other (contra 360°) does it at least in parts.

Let it die! This is not a political campaign, or one for glory, were one side wins and the other loses.

I am out of here!

[Roland]

Yes, this thread is stupid. Neither side is presenting anything akin to rational arguments any more.

[SiriusBeef]

Reminds me of MekTek back in the day. To me it's a breath of fresh air

Edited by SiriusBeef, 13 June 2012 - 07:19 AM.

[Teralitha]

Egomane, on 13 June 2012 - 07:11 AM, said:

This whole thread should simply stop. Both sides disagree with each other.

What I can clearly see is, that arguments against 360° are no longer adressed by those in favor, but ridiculed for at least a couple of pages now. Some arguments have never been adressed.

So it makes no sense to try to argue about a possible game feature here, because one side doesn't listen at all (pro 360°) to arguments and the other (contra 360°) does it at least in parts.

Let it die! This is not a political campaign, or one for glory, were one side wins and the other loses.

I am out of here!

Well see, your wrong. I have listened, Ive been here since page one, debunking all of the arguments against 360. Its only in the latter pages where somene else comes in, reposting the same lame arguments that have ALREADY been addressed in previous pages of this topic, and refuse to read them, accusing the pro 360 of not addressing their arguments.

This very simply, makes them look ignorant.

Roland, on 13 June 2012 - 07:15 AM, said:

Yes, this thread is stupid. Neither side is presenting anything akin to rational arguments any more.

Nope, not anymore... but it did have them.