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[fil5000]

Stalephreak, on 26 July 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Fire the MOtown DroopS? As I recall, that was a grievance we were trying to bring up in the letter. Also, it was a prime reason why I left the game along with the rest of Zero Fox. Customer service chased off a chunk of House Jurai...These guys at PiGGI must not believe in the law of diminishing returns. I'm trying to be a nice customer, really, I am, but you guys have all the customer service skills of Microsoft tech support.

I was thinking a simple GG CLOSE could suffice.

[Stalephreak]

fil5000, on 26 July 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

I was thinking a simple GG CLOSE could suffice.

Lets make martyrs out of the guys trying to actually save the game? Yup seems like a good move to me.

[KhanHeir]

To be honest you aren't saving anything, this game has been listing for a few months now.

Shoulda joined Kong 6 months ago instead of jumping the bandwagon now.


" inb4 no one knows what " listing " means. "

Edited by KhanHeir, 26 July 2013 - 01:15 PM.

[Stalkerr]

Nautical reference, best reference.

[Chronojam]

It couldn't be battletech if we didn't have spaceships listing to the side, and molten rivulets of metal pouring down mechs.

[Kaio-Kerensky x10]

Chronojam, on 26 July 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

It couldn't be battletech if we didn't have spaceships listing to the side, and molten rivulets of metal pouring down mechs.

We could probably do with a little less man-made lightning, though.

[Tegiminis]

Gonna be good fodder for an editorial.

[Deux]

Course they k-towned it how dare we try to say the emperor has no clothes

[Stalephreak]

Edited by Stalephreak, 26 July 2013 - 09:51 PM.

[Chronojam]

Remember that there is a new thread

[Texas Merc]

hello home.

[evil merlin]

for one, am getting sick of the pubbies whiney complaining about the game.
Its the same thing that killed a lot of MMO and such by dumbing it down so far low there was no skill no talent, just mouse and keyboard button smashing.
Like what happened to Asheron's Call years and years ago. Before it got big you used to have to research spells, mix components and often you risked blowing yourself up to find the next good spell. But people whined and complained it was too hard so they dumbed it down to just buy the spell scroll in town to learn it.
The same thing seems to be happening in MWO.
People are now complaining they can be killed with one alpha strike. NO **** you are. It happens. Your little Jenner isn't supposed to be able to eat two ER-PPC's, two Large Pulse Lasers and four Medium Pulse Lasers and walk away from it. Nor is the MechWarrior who fired supposed to be able to do it again quickly without risking damage to his or her mech.
The game is based on the TT rules for the most part, and for the most part they work just fine.
I seriously don't get all the bitching.
One the game is still in Open Beta
Two the game is free to play, and always will be and its impossible to pay to win. Unless you think winning is driving a Mech in an atrocious paint job with bobble heads in the cockpit with two flags on either side of you.
Three ranking systems are more or less a must. How would you like it if you were a first timer in a public match thrown up against a 8 man pre-roll with hundreds of hours of playing time?
Four stop whining about balance. Newsflash, sometimes its not balanced. An AC/20 will always do more damage than an AC/10. I find most people bitching about balance simply don't have the patience to actually play the game. I've taken down Atlases in my Raven, I've taken out Commandos, Ravens and Jenners in my Atlas. Neither is easy but with time patience and skill it becomes a fun game.
As for missile weapons, that's going to take time, its all about studying hits, damage etc, and make it as close to the TT game as possible. Its the way it works.

[Chronojam]

evil merlin, on 29 July 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

One the game is still in Open Beta
Two the game is free to play, and always will be and its impossible to pay to win. Unless you think winning is driving a Mech in an atrocious paint job with bobble heads in the cockpit with two flags on either side of you.
Three ranking systems are more or less a must. How would you like it if you were a first timer in a public match thrown up against a 8 man pre-roll with hundreds of hours of playing time?
Four stop whining about balance. Newsflash, sometimes its not balanced. An AC/20 will always do more damage than an AC/10. I find most people bitching about balance simply don't have the patience to actually play the game. I've taken down Atlases in my Raven, I've taken out Commandos, Ravens and Jenners in my Atlas. Neither is easy but with time patience and skill it becomes a fun game.

#1 is a reason to conduct balance testing and iterative development, not let things stagnate.

#2 is no excuse for a poor product, because free to play games rely on big spenders sticking around and caring about the game. .

#3 is something the town hall explicitly endorses, and wants a better ranking system and superior new player experience; right now, the game actually tends to throw completely new/bad players in with top-tier players to "balance" ranks..

#4 Balance relies on more than just relative damage, and it's absurd to think otherwise. Newsflash, if it's not balanced, fix it. You're a ****ing idiot if you think the solution to poor balance is to leave it alone and hope nobody notices.

[evil merlin]

1.) How is the game not balanced. I will ask yet again, because no one seems to answer other than "WAAAAA MISSILES ARE OVER POWERED" or "WAAAAAA MISSILES ARE UNDER POWERED" or "WAAAAA a Commando can take down my Atlas". Missile stuff is always being looked at and refined, PGI has made that crystal clear in the past year with the number of updates done with the LRM, SRM and Streaks in the game. Data points are needed and they respond as needed, to real datapoints, not a bunch of whining from kiddies expecting Call of Duty with Big Robots.
2.) Again how is it a poor product? Its a BETA still. One you need to spend ZERO dollars on if you don't like it. Things may be broken. PGI finds them, PGI fixes them. People bitching about a fast moving commando that knows how to avoid ballistic and missile weapons does not mean broken. The hitbox on the Raven is a different story. PGI again, get this, fixes issues when they are found. Again they are not going to react to a bunch of whiney kids expecting Call of Duty with Big Robots.
3.) This is about all I can agree with you on. However using stats is not easy. You can't put people into games dependent on just player skill, you need to take into account chassis weight and total weapon damage output to get a GOOD balance. Suppose new pilot is a really good mech builder using the various tools out there and makes a fantastic chassis with fantastic weapon damage. Should he be placed into a game with a new pilot using the trial mechs?
4.) There should never be balance. A heavy mech will almost ALWAYS outclass a medium or light mech. Sure you may be a GREAT pilot and that become the balancer, but balance the game totally is ******* silly. Let me know what you think is unbalanced about the game thus far. LRM boats? Get in close. Problem solved RIGHT quick. Heat in PPCs? Add more heat sinks. Light mechs making your life difficult? Use instant energy weapons (lasers) and leg the *******.
I think about 85% of the people whining about balance just don't have the patience to you know... actually learn the game.

Is MWO perfect? Hell no, but its not this shamble you seem to think it is either.

[Kaio-Kerensky x10]

You're not a very good poster.

[Effectz]

Hes obviously never heard of paragraphs.

[evil merlin]

So, other than my poor paragraph construction and "I'm not a good writer", I guess I musta hit it right on the head. A bunch of whiners.

[Erata]

evil merlin, on 29 July 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

So, other than my poor paragraph construction and "I'm not a good writer", I guess I musta hit it right on the head. A bunch of whiners.

http://mwomercs.com/...l-1-discussion/

New thread for you to help discuss things!!

[Kaio-Kerensky x10]

evil merlin, on 29 July 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

So, other than my poor paragraph construction and "I'm not a good writer", I guess I musta hit it right on the head. A bunch of whiners.

This is Kaetetoa. Low-effort trolling is the rule of the day.

You may want to go to the other thread if you're looking for serious discussion.

[Telemetry]

What's the status of this meeting? Did it happen? If not, what is the date?