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[Ransack]

Kunae, on 29 July 2013 - 10:10 AM, said:

throttle-decay,

Throttle decay is OP. With it on, you can't scare someone into continuously walking into a hill while you shoot.

[Mystere]

Kunae, on 29 July 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

Ok. Thanks for confirming that you're a complete loon.

Loon you said?

“Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.”

[Tsenado]

Kunae, on 29 July 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

I do not "run mostly in premades". I am typically solo, 90% of the time.

Most people I know would prefer to have at least semi-competent team-mates, and opponents. And no, the crap-tastic "8-man" abomination that PGI put in last year is not even close to a solution.

I can't count the number of times, when as a solo jenner, I've gone and disrupted the enemy LRM's/snipers, have half the enemy team chasing me, and the other half shooting at me for 3 minutes... and I look up and I'm the only one left alive, because my team-mates are idiots. It happens often enough that I wonder if PGI has lied to us, and Elo tries to balance a side to some magic number, pooling skilled players with mouth-breathers, as some have conjectured, in the past.

See why wouldn't, and shouldn't I know you queue solo, as a member of this queue I have rights to know if the team is PUG or premade. Anyway... When I see you in my games I also see other elite players, I "assumed" and "guessed" you are in a premade since there is no way to tell, still tells that I am in a higher ELO group in that game however.

heh, I can't agree on the "semi-competent" on the opponent side, maybe team-mates. As an average joe we all wants to "own them all", it is the reason we are here, shoot things down. Can't say much on the elite players and what they think tho.

I can't agree more on these uneven ELO teams, we all see it, yet no data showed why this is happening.

[Kunae]

Tsenado, on 29 July 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

See why wouldn't, and shouldn't I know you queue solo, as a member of this queue I have rights to know if the team is PUG or premade. Anyway... When I see you in my games I also see other elite players, I "assumed" and "guessed" you are in a premade since there is no way to tell, still tells that I am in a higher ELO group in that game however.

It's always possible that I'm the oddity, being moderately high Elo, in a light. Many times I have waits of 2-4 minutes, which usually means bad things.

Tsenado, on 29 July 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

heh, I can't agree on the "semi-competent" on the opponent side, maybe team-mates. As an average joe we all wants to "own them all", it is the reason we are here, shoot things down. Can't say much on the elite players and what they think tho.

That's part of the problem, in these discussions. There are certain people who project those "average joe" feelings, that they experience, onto a group of players who're trying to excel. What's the point in excelling against average folks, or "scrubs"? It provides very little satisfaction, and much less than an "average joe" may feel doing the same.

Tsenado, on 29 July 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

I can't agree more on these uneven ELO teams, we all see it, yet no data showed why this is happening.

Yeah... it feels so illogical, that they would do it that way, but signs continue to point that direction.

Edited by Kunae, 29 July 2013 - 11:39 AM.

[Tsenado]

Kunae, on 29 July 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

It provides very little satisfaction.

I don't know about that, can't speak for other people. There is a good amount of satisfaction having a moving live target to shoot at, even knowing their skill level is much lower. This is coming from a person who doesn't agree the very idea and posting with you on this thread .

[ztac]

I remember when they said that pre-mades would not be against randoms.. but guess what? yes pre-mades vs randoms all the time . I guess all the people saying it is ok are the people that are getting all the easy wins , whilst it's ok , after all when most people realise that they lose all the time because they are not as bad as they thought they were , they will simply stop playing ...I've quit despite buying into the founders programme. They said last year that pre-mades would be vs pre-mades .. but everyone breaks their word!

[MaxStr]

Teamwork is OP, this is a MMO, make some friends, join a group. Trust me its hilarious to watch everyone wander around in circles like chickens with their heads cut off while you wipe them out one by one with your lance mates. I would be happy to lance with you sometime

Edited by MaxKarnage, 29 July 2013 - 12:28 PM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Erghiez06, on 27 July 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

If these "tears" of mine are so unjust then what would either of you recommend as recourse? If someone as new as myself can see this level of unbalance enough to determine that things of this nature aren't fun, you have to wonder how many other players are being turned off of this game due to the current mechanics.

By all means, assume I am whining and ******** over a loss. If that is what helps you justify the current state of the game that is your prerogative, but we all have to agree that PGI is out to make money, and they can't if they are only making it difficult to attract newer players by allowing systems such as this to remain as they are.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy this game for the most part, and I want to throw my money at it, but it seems that for every one reason I find to spend money, I see 2 more reasons not to.

I just want to enjoy the game. If you think this is a fair mechanic than by all means, defend it, but don't belittle my character because you are glued to a system which will undoubtedly change.

You are new. You should get your butt kicked until you learn how to play the game. That is the cold hard facts. Now to lessen your time till you can stand on your own, Join a team. There are lots of Sigs showing off team banners, Myself included. Read their posts, see who you like the most and request joining them.

I totally sucked my first month (6 weeks actually). I didn't complain cause I knew I would suck till I learned how to control my Mech. I joined Murphy's and played along side the guys for months. Recently I started dropping PUG in three Alt accounts a few months ago. I did it to see how Elo affected my win/loss. Funny thing happened. It didn't. I lose as often as I win and I get rolled the same amount also.

Don't blame teams for losing due to inexperience. Good PUGs can roll you just as easy as Teams. or loss happened to a team that had an even amount of damage right down the board. No shining stars. *shrug*

[Riptor]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 July 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

You are new. You should get your butt kicked until you learn how to play the game.

Huh.. guess i missed the memo where PGI explained to everyone that at first you should not be able to enjoy the game.

Sounds like a sure fire way to success right? I mean kick down the player who wants to check out this "game" and i am sure he will stick around.

Yeah people dont stick around anymore on the promise that the game will become "good" later on.

Also what kind of BS elitist attitude is that? This is a friggin game not the military where you go first through bootcamp to make sure you dont get killed during the first five minutes of deployment.

The learning should be a FUN process.. not PUNISHING... geez...

[Aim64C]

Master Q, on 29 July 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:

If you can't comprehend basic courtesy, it's probably too late to teach you now.

Telling someone "thanks for coming out, thanks for playing" is never rude. No matter WHAT sport or what the game result was.

I understand and partially agree with where you are coming from... but it does appear asinine through the limited conveyance of text - especially as just "gg" after you have rolled a team or have been completely rolled by a team.

Because, truthfully, it wasn't really all that good of a game.

Unless you pull one out of maybe a hundred such games where all of one team survived while destroying the other team, but still having been given a fight (and that would be reflected in the damage numbers and match time).

I understand where you're coming from, but in this day and age, using the limited medium for communication that we have, saying: "gg" after such a match comes across as sarcastic and insulting to many.

Kunae, on 29 July 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

I can't count the number of times, when as a solo jenner, I've gone and disrupted the enemy LRM's/snipers, have half the enemy team chasing me, and the other half shooting at me for 3 minutes... and I look up and I'm the only one left alive, because my team-mates are idiots. It happens often enough that I wonder if PGI has lied to us, and Elo tries to balance a side to some magic number, pooling skilled players with mouth-breathers, as some have conjectured, in the past.

I've experienced the same.

It always drives me up a wall when I scout the enemy and actually have time to text "most in xy" and to play around with them for a little while, pulling some of their fasts around.... then to find my team playing peek-a-boo with two sniping mechs on the other side of the map... and then end up getting rolled over once the enemy regroups.

I consistently run higher damage and kills than most assaults on my teams while in my Jenner (and in my blackjacks... though my catapults have more variance because LRMs are temperamental as hell) - which makes me think I should really start trying to find a team to drop with on occasion to have my ego trimmed down a bit.

But, I honestly don't care to, because the mechanism behind how to go about setting up a group is some kind of dark art. Not that the tips at launch help - they continually reference features that don't exist. Such as 'repair,' an ambiguous reference to 'C3,' and the 'report a player' feature.

Now I know a lot of people will link to sections of the forum where these things do exist and are explained... but, I mean, really... third-party development kits for proprietary game engines are more straight-forward.

It's kind of principle - there's no connection between our 'profile' and our client. Hopefully that changes - but, as of right now, I have to pretty much take a screen capture or write down the name of someone (exactly) so that I can add them as a friend or try and set up a group with them on the website (or, at least, that's the only place I assume I can manage this - since it's not present in the client).

Part of me would like to run my own 'guild' or 'clan' - but, to be honest, I'm a bit too scatterbrained and too much of a procrastinator to ever take care of the matters that need to be taken care of.

[Mystere]

Aim64C, on 29 July 2013 - 01:04 PM, said:

I understand where you're coming from, but in this day and age, using the limited medium for communication that we have, saying: "gg" after such a match comes across as sarcastic and insulting to many.

And I can assure you that the opposite is also true. There are still quite many who see "gg" as the equivalent of the handshake after a tennis match or some other sport.

[PropagandaWar]

Riptor, on 29 July 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

Huh.. guess i missed the memo where PGI explained to everyone that at first you should not be able to enjoy the game.

Sounds like a sure fire way to success right? I mean kick down the player who wants to check out this "game" and i am sure he will stick around.

Yeah people dont stick around anymore on the promise that the game will become "good" later on.

Also what kind of BS elitist attitude is that? This is a friggin game not the military where you go first through bootcamp to make sure you dont get killed during the first five minutes of deployment.

The learning should be a FUN process.. not PUNISHING... geez...

Really. Anything worth a crap is usually punishing at first. Everyone wants to be a black belt. This isn't a easy game. Never was. How many times did you die playing COD in a match? withrespawns you hardly felt it but I bet you died a lot. PGI is working on a tutorial (May Suck may not) for launch. Most beta players know what they are doing. Most beta and PGI agree the new user experience is hard. They should have a thing posted right there on the front page that says. "You are a NEWB GO TO THIS TS CHANNEL, find people question them! You will get Toasted a lot. Look at your Map. Use testing grounds. Do not come out until you understand your Torso and Heat management. Thank you for shopping Mechs Mart" . Below that it should state "If you are not new and you are dying a lot its YOU. Its not Premades its not High ELO its you. Now please go to the forums so you can make a thread and blame everyone else".

[Screech]

Mystere, on 29 July 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

And I can assure you that the opposite is also true. There are still quite many who see "gg" as the equivalent of the handshake after a tennis match or some other sport.

Sportsmanship is not something you know from birth, it is something you learn. People who have never really participated in a team sport might find this all completely alien to them so they might take it the wrong way.

[Joseph Mallan]

Riptor, on 29 July 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

Huh.. guess i missed the memo where PGI explained to everyone that at first you should not be able to enjoy the game.

Sounds like a sure fire way to success right? I mean kick down the player who wants to check out this "game" and i am sure he will stick around.

Yeah people dont stick around anymore on the promise that the game will become "good" later on.

Also what kind of BS elitist attitude is that? This is a friggin game not the military where you go first through bootcamp to make sure you dont get killed during the first five minutes of deployment.

The learning should be a FUN process.. not PUNISHING... geez...

30 years of gaming, I learned I need to learn the mechanics. Some games that takes a few minutes some it takes a few days. The issue is you are getting dropped with people better and worse than you in every game. Even with Elo this happens. You better get used to losing some matches by an ash whipping cause they are going to happen. I have been playing for almost a year and they still happen to me and by me. If you cannot accept that maybe MMOs are not your thing!

Boot Camp would be a great thing to have in this game. Take a day(24 hours) to go through PvE Training missions to get our feet wet n ow to play the game, how to build a better Mech. etc. It is definitely not elitist attitude, I been playing for a year, my K/ is 1.34, that is nothing to brag about, but you know what? I earned that by sticking with the game and getting better at it till I can win some and lose some and even get stomped some. I was a lot younger when I learned you don't always win or even have a chance to always win. I may be a little better than average but that does not mean I am good. I'd have a better K/D record if I were. Winning is done by the better team, be they all PUG or a Mix or Competitive.

[DeadlyNerd]

sarcasm on.

obligatory "duh, get a merc corp noob" comment

sarcasm off.

[Tatula]

Mystere, on 29 July 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

And I can assure you that the opposite is also true. There are still quite many who see "gg" as the equivalent of the handshake after a tennis match or some other sport.

Hey! Your tennis example just gave the OP the perfect analogy of his complaint. Take doubles in tennis. One team has two people who has play together before, the other two total strangers. How do you think the two random strangers will fare against the established team?

[Joseph Mallan]

DeadlyNerd, on 29 July 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

sarcasm on.

obligatory "duh, get a merc corp noob" comment

sarcasm off.

I haven't been on the open comms (TS) In a while, but you on't have t join a team to be able to talk to your team. You do get better results if you do though. Cause Comms are a weapon too.

[PropagandaWar]

You want a Basturd of a game to learn well 2 actually. A-10 and Kings Crusader 2. Good luck learning those in a week.

Edited by PropagandaWar, 29 July 2013 - 01:32 PM.

[Mystere]

Aloha, on 29 July 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

Hey! Your tennis example just gave the OP the perfect analogy of his complaint. Take doubles in tennis. One team has two people who has play together before, the other two total strangers. How do you think the two random strangers will fare against the established team?

I suspect it will depend on who the two random players are.

But in any case, I expect a handshake to still be exchanged between the players ... unless one of those in the losing team is John McEnroe.

[Joseph Mallan]

Try Witcher 2. I have player RPGs for 30+ years on console... Witcher 2 at the end f the Training portion rated me NOOB. I never lost to "the 1st boss" so many times... ever. Great game, I just can't get good at it for about a week.